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Ben Kaduk's COMMENT on semantics #914

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mnot opened this issue Jul 29, 2021 · 3 comments
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Ben Kaduk's COMMENT on semantics #914

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  • 10.2 note

In Section 10.2 we had some
good text cleanup (I think, prompted by one of my comments -- thank you!),
but the removed text included a note about how the semantics of a response
header field might be refined by the semantics of the request method and/or
the response status code. That seems like it would be useful to have
mentioned, and I'm not sure if this text was replicated elsewhere.

Editors: The problem with that wording was that a field has defined semantics that include variations based on the context in which it appears, and those variations are included as part of the field definition (not refined by other parts of the specification). Ultimately, we decided that this doesn't need to be said in the section intro.


  • updating 3864

This document updates RFC 3864, which is part of BCP 90.
However, this document is targeting Proposed Standard status, which
means it cannot become a part of BCP 90 as part of that update.
Did we consider splitting out the RFC 3864 updates into a separate,
BCP-level, document, that would become part of BCP 90?

Editors: The intended status for this document is full standard. The reason it updates RFC 3864 (which previously defined the registry for HTTP header fields as part of a registry for all application-level IMF-like protocols) is that IETF thinking has changed since 3864. Having a single IMF-wide definition of fields was unsuccessful and led to more confusion when fields diverged. Hence, this document is obsoleting only the HTTP parts of RFC 3864 by moving them back to the standards track. It is an update only because there is no status for partial obsoleting.


  • Section 1.2

HTTP/2 ([RFC7540]) introduced a multiplexed session layer on top of
the existing TLS and TCP protocols for exchanging concurrent HTTP
messages with efficient field compression and server push. HTTP/3
([HTTP3]) provides greater independence for concurrent messages by
using QUIC as a secure multiplexed transport over UDP instead of TCP.

My understanding was that h2 and h3 also use non-text-based headers, in
contrast to HTTP/1.1's "text-based messaging syntax" that we mention
earlier. Is that non-text nature worth noting here?

Editors: No. This is not an overview of the differences between the protocols; just a brief introduction.


  • Section 3.7

Proxies are often used to group an
organization's HTTP requests through a common intermediary for the
sake of security, annotation services, or shared caching. [...]

The term "security" can mean so many different things to different
audiences that its meaning in isolation is pretty minimal. I suggest
finding a more specific term for the intended usage, perhaps relating to
an auditing, exfiltration protection, and/or content-filtering function.

Editors: That is often how proxy-based products are sold/positioned in the market.


  • Section 3.7

For example, an interception proxy [RFC3040] (also commonly known
as a transparent proxy [RFC1919]) differs from an HTTP proxy
because it is not chosen by the client. Instead, an interception
proxy filters or redirects outgoing TCP port 80 packets (and
occasionally other common port traffic). Interception proxies are
commonly found on public network access points, as a means of
enforcing account subscription prior to allowing use of non-local
Internet services, and within corporate firewalls to enforce network
usage policies.

Is this text still accurate in the era of https-everywhere and Let's
Encrypt?

Editors: They are still deployed, yes. On a public access network, the first TLS request will fail. User agents recognize such failures and fall back to a plain HTTP access to a common URL, which is then intercepted by the filter and the user agent is directed to login for Internet access. You can see this in every hotel, cafe, and convention center.


  • Section 3.9

As Éric notes, OpenSSL 0.9.7l supports only SSL and TLSv1.0, which per
RFC 8996 is no longer permitted -- I concur with his recommendation to
update the example (potentially including Last-Modified).

Editors: already addressed.


  • Section 4.2.x

The hierarchical path component and optional query component identify
the target resource within that origin server's name space.

Would a BCP 190 reference be appropriate here (emphasizing that the name
space belongs to the origin server)?

Editors: Not really. This section is defining what those components are for. BCP 190 is advice for specifications that assume certain hierarchies within applications. Most readers would find that to be an unnecessary distraction at best, or a circular down-reference at worst.


  • Section 4.2.2

The "https" URI scheme is hereby defined for minting identifiers
within the hierarchical namespace governed by a potential origin
server listening for TCP connections on a given port and capable of
establishing a TLS ([RFC8446]) connection that has been secured for
HTTP communication. [...]

Is "capable" the correct prerequisite, or does the server need to
actually do so on that port? (Given the following definition of
"secured", though, the ability to successfully do so would seem to
depend on the trust anchor configuration on the client, which is not
really something the server can control...)

Editors: "capable" is correct. As stated above that in 4.2, the server does not need to exist.


  • Section 4.3.3

Note, however, that the above is not the only means for obtaining an
authoritative response, nor does it imply that an authoritative
response is always necessary (see [Caching]).

Is it intentional that this paragraph diverges from the analogous
content in §4.3.2 (which also mentions Alt-Svc and other protocols
"outside the scope of this document")?

Editors: Yes, it is intentional. It isn't necessary to repeat the Alt-Svc example, and the last sentence (for alternative access to "http" resources) is encompassed by the definition of "https" authority by certificate match.


  • Section 5.3

    |  *Note:* In practice, the "Set-Cookie" header field ([RFC6265])
    |  often appears in a response message across multiple field lines
    |  and does not use the list syntax, violating the above
    |  requirements on multiple field lines with the same field name.
    |  Since it cannot be combined into a single field value,
    |  recipients ought to handle "Set-Cookie" as a special case while
    |  processing fields.  (See Appendix A.2.3 of [Kri2001] for
    |  details.)
    

The reference seems to conclude only that the situation for "Set-Cookie"
is underspecified, and doesn't really give me much guidance on what to
do if I receive a message with multiple field lines for "Set-Cookie".
(It does talk about the "Cookie" field and how semicolon is used to
separate cookie values, which implies that "Cookie" would get special
treatment to use semicolon to join field lines, but doesn't really give
me the impression that "Set-Cookie" should also have such treatment.)

Editors: Handling for Set-Cookie and Cookie are not defined by this specification; this is just an informative note.


  • Section 5.4

A client MAY discard or truncate received field lines that are larger
than the client wishes to process if the field semantics are such
that the dropped value(s) can be safely ignored without changing the
message framing or response semantics.

Is it worth saying anything about fields that the client does not
recognize? (Per the previous discussion, the server needs to either
know that the client recognizes the field or only send fields that are
safe to ignore if unrecognized, if I understand correctly...)

Editors: That's not relevant here.


  • Section 6.4.1

In a response, the content's purpose is defined by both the request
method and the response status code (Section 15). For example, the
content of a 200 (OK) response to GET (Section 9.3.1) represents the
current state of the target resource, as observed at the time of the
message origination date (Section 10.2.2), whereas the content of the
same status code in a response to POST might represent either the
processing result or the new state of the target resource after
applying the processing.

Doesn't the last clause mean that there is some additional (meta)data
that can affect the content's purpose (e.g., a Content-Location field)?
Or how else would one know if the 200 POST response is the processing
result vs the new state? It seems incomplete to just say "is defined by
both" and list only method and status code as the defining factors.

Editors: #925


  • Section 7.6.3

[I had the same question as Martin Duke about default TCP port, and
the interaction with the scheme. I see that it has been answered since
I initially drafted these notes, hooray.]


A proxy MUST NOT modify the "absolute-path" and "query" parts of the
received target URI when forwarding it to the next inbound server,
except as noted above to replace an empty path with "/" or "*".

I found where (in the discussion of normalization in §4.2.3) we say to
replace the empty path with "/" for non-OPTIONS requests. I couldn't
find anywhere "above" where it was noted to replace an empty path with
"*" (presumably, for the OPTIONS requests), though.

Editors: #930


  • Section 8.3

Implementers are encouraged to provide a means
to disable such sniffing.

"encouraged to provide a means to disable" could be read as also
encouraging implementation of the (sniffing) mechanism itself. Is it
actually the case that we encourage implementation of MIME sniffing?

Editors: 085352b


  • Section 8.8.1

    A
    strong validator is unique across all versions of all representations
    associated with a particular resource over time. [...]

My understanding is that, e.g., a cryptographic hash over the
representation and metadata would be intended to be a strong validator,
but for such a construction the "unique" property can only be guaranteed
probabilistically. Are we comfortable with this phrasing that implies
an absolute requirement?

Editors: yes.


Section 8.8.4

  • SHOULD send the Last-Modified value in non-subrange cache
    validation requests (using If-Modified-Since) if only a Last-
    Modified value has been provided by the origin server.

  • MAY send the Last-Modified value in subrange cache validation
    requests (using If-Unmodified-Since) if only a Last-Modified value
    has been provided by an HTTP/1.0 origin server. The user agent
    SHOULD provide a way to disable this, in case of difficulty.

I'm failing to come up with an explanation for why it's important to
specifically call out the HTTP/1.0 origin server in the latter case.
What's special about an HTTP/1.1 origin server that only provided a
Last-Modified value and subrange cache validation requests that makes
the MAY inapplicable? (What's the actual expected behavior for that
situation?)

Editors: #933


  • Section 9.2.2

A request method is considered idempotent if the intended effect on
the server of multiple identical requests with that method is the
same as the effect for a single such request. [...]

I sometimes worry that a definition of idempotent like this hides the
interaction of repeated idempotent requests with other requests
modifying the same resource. A+A is equivalent to A, but A+B+A is often
not equivalent to A+B...

Editors: The definition of idempotent is about a single user agent's intent being repeatable (automatically retried on failure). The user's intent does not depend on the resource state unless the user makes it so using the conditional request mechanism defined in Section 13. We could add a forward reference here, but it is already discussed in 8.8.


  • Section 9.3.5

Likewise, other implementation aspects of a resource might need to be
deactivated or archived as a result of a DELETE, such as database or
gateway connections. In general, it is assumed that the origin
server will only allow DELETE on resources for which it has a
prescribed mechanism for accomplishing the deletion.

The specific phrasing of "only allow DELETE [...]" calls to mind (for
me) an expectation of authorization checks as well. In some sense this
is no different than for POST or PUT, and thus may not be worth
particular mention here, but I thought I'd ask whether it makes sense to
mention authorization (and authentication).

Editors: Not worth particular mention.


  • Section 9.3.5

A client SHOULD NOT generate content in a DELETE request. Content
received in a DELETE request has no defined semantics, cannot alter
the meaning or target of the request, and might lead some
implementations to reject the request.

We had a similar paragraph earlier in the discussion of GET and HEAD,
but those paragraphs included a clause about "close the connection
because of its potential as a request smuggling attack" -- is DELETE not
at risk of use for request smuggling?

Editors: this has been fixed in a prior issue


  • Section 10.1.1

    • A server that responds with a final status code before reading the
      entire request content SHOULD indicate whether it intends to close
      the connection (e.g., see Section 9.6 of [Messaging]) or continue
      reading the request content.

The referenced section seems to cover the "close" connection option,
which is a positive signal of intent to close. Is the absence of that
connection option to be interpreted as a positive signal of intent to
continue reading the request content, or is there some other positive
signal of such intent to continue reading?

Editors: It is version specific. For example, HTTP/1.1 is persistent by default, so the absence of close is a positive signal.


  • Section 10.1.2

A server SHOULD NOT use the From header field for access control or
authentication.

It seems that the level of security provided by the From header field is
at most that of a bearer token, and that the natural choice of such
token is easily guessable (though unguessable choices are possible).
I'm having a hard time coming up with an IETF-consensus scenario where
it would make sense to use From for access control or authentication
(i.e., could this be MUST NOT instead?).

Editors: already discussed as part of Francesca's feedback.


  • Section 10.1.3

Some servers use the Referer header field as a means of
denying links from other sites (so-called "deep linking") or
restricting cross-site request forgery (CSRF), but not all requests
contain it.

I think we should say something about the effectiveness of Referer
checks as a CSRF mitigation mechanism.

Editors: That's a moving target that is often browser or organization-dependent. If we could get anyone to agree on a common opinion, let alone a common implementation, it might make an interesting BCP.


  • Section 10.1.3

Most general-purpose user agents do not send the
Referer header field when the referring resource is a local "file" or
"data" URI. A user agent SHOULD NOT send a Referer header field if

This seems like a curious statement. Are we expecting future
general-purpose user agents to emulate this behavior? If so, then why
not recommend it explicitly?

Editors: Referer policy is more under control of the W3C's WebAppSec WG; these are just general guidelines.


  • Section 10.1.3

the referring resource was accessed with a secure protocol and the
request target has an origin differing from that of the referring
resource, unless the referring resource explicitly allows Referer to
be sent. A user agent MUST NOT send a Referer header field in an

How does a referring resource indicate that Referer should be sent?

Editors: Out of scope for this document. W3C defines referer-policy, but that's browser-centric.


  • Section 10.1.4

The TE field value consists of a list of tokens, each allowing for
optional parameters (except for the special case "trailers").

Should the prose mention the 'weight' part of the t-codings construction
(the "weight" production itself does not seem to be defined until §11.4.2)?

Editors: #918


  • Section 10.1.5

    For example, a sender might indicate that a message integrity check
    will be computed as the content is being streamed and provide the
    final signature as a trailer field. This allows a recipient to

Please pick one of "message integrity check" and "signature" and use it
consistently; these are both cryptographic terms of art (with different
meanings).

Editors: #919


  • Section 10.1.5

Because the Trailer field is not removed by intermediaries, it can
also be used by downstream recipients to discover when a trailer
field has been removed from a message.

It seems that this usage is only possible if sending the Trailer field is a
binding commitment to emit the relevant trailer fields; otherwise the
recipient cannot distinguish between a removal by an intermediary and a sender
declining to generate the trailer field.

Editors: 6ee7338


  • Section 10.1.6

A user agent SHOULD send a User-Agent header field in each
request unless specifically configured not to do so.

(I assume that a reference to client-hints (or UA-CH) was considered and
rejected.)

Editors: yes.


  • Section 10.1.6

A user agent SHOULD NOT generate a User-Agent header field containing
needlessly fine-grained detail and SHOULD limit the addition of
subproducts by third parties. Overly long and detailed User-Agent
field values increase request latency and the risk of a user being
identified against their wishes ("fingerprinting").

client-hints might even be more appropriate as a reference here than it
would be above...or just in §17.13.

Editors: CH is Experimental.


Section 10.2

It seems like it might be worth listing the fields already defined in the
previous section (as request context fields) that can also appear as response
context fields.

Editors: Good catch. Trailer and Date are bidirectional fields, so it would be better to make a separate section for them, which would be either 10.1 or 10.3 (depending on on references in HTTP/3). #934


  • Section 12.2

    Reactive negotiation suffers from the disadvantages of transmitting a
    list of alternatives to the user agent, which degrades user-perceived
    latency if transmitted in the header section, and needing a second
    request to obtain an alternate representation. Furthermore, this
    specification does not define a mechanism for supporting automatic
    selection, though it does not prevent such a mechanism from being
    developed as an extension.

I'm not sure that I understand how an HTTP extension would help specify
a mechanism for automatic selection in reactive negotiation; isn't this
just an implementation detail in the user-agent?

Editors: Perhaps we should just remove "as an extension", since this isn't specific to HTTP? The URI and Alternates fields were proposed long ago for that purpose but did not attain sufficient implementation to remain in the standard. It is commonly implemented today using JavaScript in non-uniform ways. Likewise, HTML was extended to include the srcset attribute on img.


  • Section 12.5.1

    |  *Note:* Use of the "q" parameter name to control content
    |  negotiation is due to historical practice.  Although this
    |  prevents any media type parameter named "q" from being used
    |  with a media range, such an event is believed to be unlikely
    |  given the lack of any "q" parameters in the IANA media type
    |  registry and the rare usage of any media type parameters in
    |  Accept.  Future media types are discouraged from registering
    |  any parameter named "q".
    

This note seems like it would be more useful in the IANA media-types
registry than "some random protocol specification that uses media
types".

Editors: same as #849 (comment)


  • Section 12.5.3

For example,

   Accept-Encoding: compress, gzip
   Accept-Encoding:
   Accept-Encoding: *
   Accept-Encoding: compress;q=0.5, gzip;q=1.0
   Accept-Encoding: gzip;q=1.0, identity; q=0.5, *;q=0

Are these supposed to be multiple standalone examples or one single example with
multiple field lines? (I note that they appear in a single
element in the XML source.) If they are supposed to be one single
example, I would have expected some remark about the combination of ""
and "
;q=0" (my understanding is that the q=0 renders codings not listed
as unacceptable, even despite the implicitly q=1 wildcard).
It seems that in other instances where we provide multiple examples in
a single artwork, the prefacing text is "Examples:" plural, that makes
some effort to disambiguate.

Editors: #920


  • Section 12.5.3

    |  *Note:* Most HTTP/1.0 applications do not recognize or obey
    |  qvalues associated with content-codings.  This means that
    |  qvalues might not work and are not permitted with x-gzip or
    |  x-compress.
    

This wording implies to me that there is a normative requirement
somewhere else that qvalues cannot be used with x-gzip and x-compress,
but I'm not sure where that would be. (It's also a bit hard to
understand how x-gzip would be affected but not plain gzip, given that
§18.6 lists it as an alias for gzip ... additional restrictions don't
quite match up with an "alias" nature.)

Editors: This note reflects historical practice in 1996. Removed in 082b619


  • Section 12.5.4

It might be contrary to the privacy expectations of the user to send
an Accept-Language header field with the complete linguistic
preferences of the user in every request (Section 17.13).

This leaves me wondering how to improve on the situation and pick which
subset of requests to send the header field in. I would expect that a
blind random sampling approach would not yield privacy improvements over
always sending them.

Editors: this comment does not appear actionable.


Section 12.5.5

An origin server SHOULD send a Vary header field when its algorithm
for selecting a representation varies based on aspects of the request
message other than the method and target URI, unless the variance
cannot be crossed or the origin server has been deliberately
configured to prevent cache transparency. [...]

I don't think I know what it means to "cross" a variance. The example
(elided from this comment) about Authorization not needing to be
included gives some hint as to what is meant, but I still don't have a
clear picture.

Editors: #938


Section 13.2.2

  1. When the method is GET and both Range and If-Range are present,
    evaluate the If-Range precondition:

    • if the validator matches and the Range specification is
      applicable to the selected representation, respond 206
      (Partial Content)
  2. Otherwise,

    • all conditions are met, so perform the requested action and
      respond according to its success or failure.

I think that if the If-Range doesn't match, we're supposed to ignore the
Range header field when performing the requested action, which doesn't
seem to match up with this unadorned directive to "perform the requested
action" (which would include the Range header field).
(We might also change point (5) to use the "if true" phrasing that the
other items use in the context of evaluating the precondition.)

Editors: #940


  • Section 15.4.9

    |  *Note:* This status code is much younger (June 2014) than its
    |  sibling codes, and thus might not be recognized everywhere.
    |  See Section 4 of [RFC7538] for deployment considerations.
    

This document obsoletes RFC 7538; if we believe that content is still
useful we should probably consider incorporating it into this document.

Editors: nope. We already here again and again that the spec is too long. Readers who care about these deployment issues can easily navigate to the reference spec. It's not required to understand the protocol.


  • Section 16.3.1

Field names are registered on the advice of a Designated Expert
(appointed by the IESG or their delegate). Fields with the status
'permanent' are Specification Required ([RFC8126], Section 4.6).

I would have expected IANA to ask for the phrase "Expert Review" to be
used for the general case (if they did not already), since that's the
relevant registration policy defined in RFC 8126.

Editors: And yet, they did not.


Registration requests consist of at least the following information:
[...]
Specification document(s):
Reference to the document that specifies the field, preferably

If the registration consists of "at least" a group of information that
includes a specification document, doesn't that mean the policy is
always "Specification Required", not just for permanent registrations?


  • Section 16.3.1

Provisional entries can be removed by the Expert(s) if - in
consultation with the community - the Expert(s) find that they are
not in use. The Experts can change a provisional entry's status to
permanent at any time.

(The ability to freely convert a provisional registration to permanent
seems to also require a specification document to always be present,
even for provisional registrations.)

Editors: no action evident.


  • Section 17

A few potential considerations that don't seem to be mentioned in the
subsections:

  • Implementation divergence in handling multi-member field values when
    singletons are expected, could lead to security issues (in a similar
    vein as how request smuggling works)

  • Though ETag is formally opaque to clients, any internal structure to
    the values could still be inspected and attacked by a malicious
    client. We might consider giving guidance that ETag values should
    be unpredictable.

  • When the same information is present at multiple protocol layers
    (e.g., the transport port number and the Host field value), in the
    general case, attacks are possible if there is not check for
    consistency of the values in the different layers. It's often helpful
    to provide guidance on which entit(ies) should perform the check, to
    avoid scenarios where all parties are expecting "someone else" to do
    it.

  • Relatedly, the port value is part of the https "origin" concept, but is not
    authenticated by the certificate and could be modified (in the
    transport layer) by an on-path attacker. The safety of per-origin
    isolation relies on the server to check that the port intended by the
    client matches the port the request was actually received on.

  • We mention that in response to some 3xx redirection responses, a
    client capable of link editing might do so automatically. Doing so
    for http-not-s responses would allow for a form of privilege
    escalation, converting even a temporary access into more permanent
    changes on referring resources.

  • We make heavy use of URIs and URI components; referencing the security
    considerations of RFC 3986 might be worthwhile

Editors: It is very late in the process to introduce such substantial text, especially when it would need additional review due to security impact. As this is a COMMENT, not a DISCUSS, we will not act upon this.


  • Section 17.1

Unfortunately, communicating authority to users can be difficult.
For example, phishing is an attack on the user's perception of
authority, where that perception can be misled by presenting similar
branding in hypertext, possibly aided by userinfo obfuscating the
authority component (see Section 4.2.1). [...]

We might also mention "confusable" domain names here as well (which are
possible even without resorting to IDNs).

Editors: Same as above.


  • Section 17.5

Should we also discuss situations where there might be redundant lengths
at different encoding layers (e.g., HTTP framing and MIME multipart
boundaries), in a similar vein to
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-34#section-10.8
?

Editors: Same as above.


  • Section 17.16.3

Authentication schemes that solely rely on the "realm" mechanism for
establishing a protection space will expose credentials to all
resources on an origin server. [...]

There's also not any clear authorization mechanism for the origin to claim
use of a given realm value, which can lead to the client sending
credentials for the claimed realm without knowing that the server should
be receiving such credentials.

Editors: This doesn't appear to be actionable.


  • Section 19.2

Should RFC 5322 be normative? We rely on it for, e.g., the "mailbox"
ABNF construction.

Editors: #924


  • Appendix A

[Just noting that I did not attempt to validate the ABNF, since the
shepherd writeup notes that they have been validated]


Clarified that If-Unmodified-Since doesn't apply to a resource
without a concept of modification time. (Section 13.1.4)

I couldn't really locate which text was supposed to be providing this
clarification.

NITS


  • Section 3.1

Most resources are
identified by a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI), as described in
Section 4.
[...]
HTTP relies upon the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) standard
[RFC3986] to indicate the target resource (Section 7.1) and
relationships between resources.

Are these two statements compatible? (What is used for the non-URI
resource identification scenarios?)

Editors: the "most" is referring to the fact that some resources don't have explicit identifiers (as explained elsewhere).


  • Section 5.5

We seem to use the obs-text ABNF construction prior to its definition,
which is in Section 5.6.4.

Editors: #937


In any production that uses the list construct, a sender MUST NOT
generate empty list elements. In other words, a sender MUST generate
lists that satisfy the following syntax:

1#element => element *( OWS "," OWS element )

Are the two formulations equivalent without some restriction on
'element' itself?


  • Section 6.4.2

    1. If the request method is GET and the response status code is 200
      (OK), the content is a representation of the resource identified
      by the target URI (Section 7.1).

    2. If the request method is GET and the response status code is 203
      (Non-Authoritative Information), the content is a potentially
      modified or enhanced representation of the target resource as
      provided by an intermediary.

    3. If the request method is GET and the response status code is 206
      (Partial Content), the content is one or more parts of a
      representation of the resource identified by the target URI
      (Section 7.1).

    4. If the response has a Content-Location header field and its field
      value is a reference to the same URI as the target URI, the
      content is a representation of the target resource.

I count two "target resource" and two "resource identified by the target
URI". Is there an important distinction between those two phrasings or
could we normalize on a single term?

Editors: c5db347


Section 7.3.3

If no proxy is applicable, a typical client will invoke a handler
routine, usually specific to the target URI's scheme, to connect
directly to an origin for the target resource. How that is
accomplished is dependent on the target URI scheme and defined by its
associated specification.

This document is the relevant specification for the "http" and "https"
URI schemes; a section reference to the corresponding procedures might
be in order.

Editors: #952


An origin server with a clock MUST NOT send a Last-Modified date that
is later than the server's time of message origination (Date). If

I suspect some relevant details for this clock are covered in §10.2.2;
maybe a forward reference would be useful.


  • Section 10.2

The remaining response header fields provide more information about
the target resource for potential use in later requests.

I didn't see a previous enumeration of fields such that "remaining" would have
meaning.
(Also, the whole toplevel section seems to contain multiple sentences that are
nearly redundant.)

Editors: That text has been rewritten based upon other comments.


Section 10.2.2

A recipient with a clock that receives a response message without a
[...]
A recipient with a clock that receives a response with an invalid

Are we using "with a clock" as shorthand for "have a clock capable of
providing a reasonable approximation of the current instant in
Coordinated Universal Time"? It might be worth clarifying if this
different phrasing than above is intended to convey different semantics.

Editors: #953


The Proxy-Authentication-Info response header field is equivalent to
Authentication-Info, except [...]

Is it worth calling out again that it can be sent as a trailer field, in
case someone specifically goes searching for trailer fields?

Editors: #946


Section 13.2.1

server that can provide a current representation. Likewise, a server
MUST ignore the conditional request header fields defined by this
specification when received with a request method that does not
involve the selection or modification of a selected representation,
such as CONNECT, OPTIONS, or TRACE.

We do say "can be used with any method" regarding If-Match, earlier,
which is not very well aligned with this "MUST ignore".

Editors: #954


  • Section 15.4
  1. If the request method has been changed to GET or HEAD, remove
    content-specific header fields, including (but not limited to)
    Content-Encoding, Content-Language, Content-Location,
    Content-Type, Content-Length, Digest, ETag, Last-Modified.

The discussion in §8.8.3 seems to indicate that ETag is only used in
responses, not requests, so I'm not sure in what scenarios it would need
to be removed from the redirected request.

Editors: #917


  • Section 15.4: tune text about history of redirect status codes #947

    |  *Note:* In HTTP/1.0, the status codes 301 (Moved Permanently)
    |  and 302 (Found) were defined for the first type of redirect
    |  ([RFC1945], Section 9.3).  Early user agents split on whether
    |  the method applied to the redirect target would be the same as
    |  the original request or would be rewritten as GET.  Although
    |  HTTP originally defined the former semantics for 301 and 302
    |  (to match its original implementation at CERN), and defined 303
    |  (See Other) to match the latter semantics, prevailing practice
    |  gradually converged on the latter semantics for 301 and 302 as
    |  well.  The first revision of HTTP/1.1 added 307 (Temporary
    |  Redirect) to indicate the former semantics of 302 without being
    |  impacted by divergent practice.  For the same reason, 308
    |  (Permanent Redirect) was later on added in [RFC7538] to match
    |  301.  [...]
    

I had to read this text several times to find a way to understand it
that seems to make sense to me (but might still be wrong!).
I think part of my confusion is that the word "former" is being used in
two different senses (the first of the two choices, and the
historical/earlier version). Perhaps it's more clear to just talk about
"method rewriting" (and not rewriting) instead of using the overloaded
term.

Editors: #948

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mnot commented Jul 30, 2021

Re: Appendix B.4 -- This text originally referred to the resolution of #326, but that was subsequently overwritten when we aligned the way we specified conditionals. It probably needs to be re-introduced (and perhaps looked at for the other conditionals).

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mnot commented Aug 12, 2021

Closing, as all remaining issues have been split out.

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kaduk commented Sep 9, 2021

A server SHOULD NOT use the From header field for access control or
authentication.

It seems that the level of security provided by the From header field is
at most that of a bearer token, and that the natural choice of such
token is easily guessable (though unguessable choices are possible).
I'm having a hard time coming up with an IETF-consensus scenario where
it would make sense to use From for access control or authentication
(i.e., could this be MUST NOT instead?).

Editors: already discussed as part of Francesca's feedback.

Since I put the effort in to track it down, I'll note for posterity that Francesca's corresponding feedback was item 14 at #849 and bde626d is how it got addressed. (I had gotten confused about the relative timing of the respective reviews which prompted me to actually look at the history.)

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