Don't be a dick about PHP and Python #27

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neilk commented Oct 12, 2012

Because potential volunteers love a gentle put-down about their expertise! Not.

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Because potential volunteers love a gentle put-down about their expertise! Not.
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jdm Oct 12, 2012

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions! I'll sleep on this; I'm not sold on the replacements, nor on the need to change the originals.

jdm commented on 33947af Oct 12, 2012

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions! I'll sleep on this; I'm not sold on the replacements, nor on the need to change the originals.

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By the way I'm watching Rust with great interest. I'm sure we agree on this: every language out there today really sucks. Rust actually might not suck, and that's no small feat.

But I still think this is not sending the right message. I just realized, you did this for nearly every language. You may think of it as gentle ribbing, but I don't think people are going to understand that. They don't know that you're saying that for every language. They just went down one or maybe two paths. As far as they know, they went to the Mozilla site, considered maybe they could help out, clicked on the language they know, and are just getting attitude for it.

I know this from experience on other open source projects and Wikipedia... the one thing a potential volunteer wants to know is whether this community is going to value their contributions.

How about this - perhaps change it so that you don't editorialize on the language at all, positive or negative. Just tell them about the projects that they could be involved in.

neilk commented Oct 12, 2012

By the way I'm watching Rust with great interest. I'm sure we agree on this: every language out there today really sucks. Rust actually might not suck, and that's no small feat.

But I still think this is not sending the right message. I just realized, you did this for nearly every language. You may think of it as gentle ribbing, but I don't think people are going to understand that. They don't know that you're saying that for every language. They just went down one or maybe two paths. As far as they know, they went to the Mozilla site, considered maybe they could help out, clicked on the language they know, and are just getting attitude for it.

I know this from experience on other open source projects and Wikipedia... the one thing a potential volunteer wants to know is whether this community is going to value their contributions.

How about this - perhaps change it so that you don't editorialize on the language at all, positive or negative. Just tell them about the projects that they could be involved in.

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Osmose Oct 12, 2012

Not that HackerNews should dictate what wording we use, but this issue was noticed by users: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4636312

+1 to more positive wording. :D

Osmose commented Oct 12, 2012

Not that HackerNews should dictate what wording we use, but this issue was noticed by users: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4636312

+1 to more positive wording. :D

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this site is intended to coders that know "what the fuck they are doing" not for a beginner PHP or Python programmer

let me rephrase that, when you know a certain language you obviously know the downside. For me, a PHP developer it was funny, and the translation for the Romanian language is more fun than the English one. Romanian's have a small joke for PHP: the guy who wrote PHP was a a "manelar" because he sure loves the dollar sign so much that he put it on every fucking variable!

alas the site is opensource, you already fork it, why don't you buy a domain and make it in your own image

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necenzurat commented Oct 12, 2012

this site is intended to coders that know "what the fuck they are doing" not for a beginner PHP or Python programmer

let me rephrase that, when you know a certain language you obviously know the downside. For me, a PHP developer it was funny, and the translation for the Romanian language is more fun than the English one. Romanian's have a small joke for PHP: the guy who wrote PHP was a a "manelar" because he sure loves the dollar sign so much that he put it on every fucking variable!

alas the site is opensource, you already fork it, why don't you buy a domain and make it in your own image

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I removed some unnecessarily aggressive language from the previous comment. Please keep it positive, folks.

I've been having some good conversations with colleagues, and I'm leaning towards @neilk's point that willfully including content that is known to cause negative reactions is not the most sensible practice. Still mulling it over, however.

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jdm commented Oct 12, 2012

I removed some unnecessarily aggressive language from the previous comment. Please keep it positive, folks.

I've been having some good conversations with colleagues, and I'm leaning towards @neilk's point that willfully including content that is known to cause negative reactions is not the most sensible practice. Still mulling it over, however.

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HersonHN Apr 8, 2013

You need a little more of sense of humor.

HersonHN commented Apr 8, 2013

You need a little more of sense of humor.

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xiongchiamiov Sep 16, 2013

You need a little more of sense of humor.

That may be, but which is more important - being humorous or having contributors?

Humor is a hard thing to get right - different people react to it in different ways, and the lack of body and tonal cues really doesn't help. Unfortunately, this means that oftentimes the best choice is to forgo it, and stick with something bland - unless you're trying to be provocative, of course, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

You need a little more of sense of humor.

That may be, but which is more important - being humorous or having contributors?

Humor is a hard thing to get right - different people react to it in different ways, and the lack of body and tonal cues really doesn't help. Unfortunately, this means that oftentimes the best choice is to forgo it, and stick with something bland - unless you're trying to be provocative, of course, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

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The internet is full of jokes about programming languages, and people still contribute to projects.
Is good to have sense of humor to not fall in bigotry, I know humor is a hard thing, but that doesn't mean that the jokes about php/python/java will have a negative impact.
At the end of all, the jokes are about the programming languages, not programmers.

Well, that is just my opinion.

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The internet is full of jokes about programming languages, and people still contribute to projects.
Is good to have sense of humor to not fall in bigotry, I know humor is a hard thing, but that doesn't mean that the jokes about php/python/java will have a negative impact.
At the end of all, the jokes are about the programming languages, not programmers.

Well, that is just my opinion.

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