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libreJS support #294

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bill-auger opened this issue Mar 30, 2018 · 11 comments

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commented Mar 30, 2018

we have noticed that this program does not work well with the current version of libreJS - would you be interested in patches to support libreJS users?

https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/free-your-javascript.html

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commented Mar 30, 2018

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commented Mar 30, 2018

@bill-auger Thank you.

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commented Mar 30, 2018

We have had this conversation many times and the end result is always the same. I'm happy to apply patches to kiwiirc if they don't effect the user experience. Somebody mentioned that they will be doing this and it never happened. Somebody else gave a .zip of the source saying "the changes are in here" (it wasn't a git repo) so that didn't help.

I'm closing this issue since we are repeating 2 year history yet again. If you would like to send some patches then please open a PR and we can take it from there.

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commented Mar 30, 2018

excellent thank you

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commented Mar 31, 2018

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I'm closing this issue since we are repeating 2 year history yet again. If you would like to send some patches then please open a PR and we can take it from there.

Can you please link this issue to it?

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commented Mar 31, 2018

rather than that, i would leave this issue open, adding a relevant tags such as '[feature-request]', '[wish]', '[help-wanted]' so that it can be found in the future

i searched the issues here for the term 'libre' before opening this issue and got no results - so if there were discussions in the past, they are not apparent

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commented Mar 31, 2018

@davidhedlund @bill-auger The previous conversations were all on IRC unfortunately otherwise I would link them.

I have no intentions on working with librejs personally, purely down to the annoyance and frustration we've had over the past two years on this topic. For that reason, I'm not leaving an issue open for it. Feel free to open a PR with the needed changes and if it doesn't impact user experience then I'll be happy to merge it in. Apologies that you're the ones dealing with the result of previous librejs members input on kiwiirc, but that's all I have to say on this matter again.

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commented May 28, 2019

@davidhedlund please stop mentioning this topic. As previously stated, I will accept a PR or usable patch from the master branch.

The librejs team that has interacted with kiwiirc over the years has tarnished your projects named due to the harassment and unwillingness to corporate. Your issues at thelounge/thelounge#2318 and qwebirc/qwebirc#345 have both brought up the same issues regarding the size and number of licenses and I don't see any decent response to this either.

Again, I am not willing to discuss this any further. Nor here or on IRC. If you want to suggest changes, make the changes and make a PR.

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commented May 28, 2019

@davidhedlund please stop mentioning this topic. As previously stated, I will accept a PR or usable patch from the master branch.

My only intention was to link the issues, I didn't mean to push you to do anything.

The librejs team that has interacted with kiwiirc over the years has tarnished your projects named due to the harassment and unwillingness to corporate.

My projects? You said "your projects" but I think you meant to say "our projects".

Also, I've never been part of the LibreJS team. I'm an admin of the Free Software Directory. The reason why @bill-auger pinged me was because we worked on various issues related to free software evaluation including the LibreJS IRC issues that I brought up. Please do not blame the LibreJS team for that.

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commented May 28, 2019

i can say without doubt that the librejs developers are not the
ones who evangelize it - david works on the FSF free software
directory, a distinct team from GNU librejs - i can not speak for
him; but im sure that he did not intend to pester

this particular issue is a rare occasion when someone
representing GNU or the FSF has requested someone to seek
cooperation from an outside project; and i am probably the only
such person that has ever contacted the kiwi-irc team for any
reason in the past - i assume that david was merely following-up
on the issue for clerical reasons, though perhaps too intrusively

i was asked simply to find out if librejs patches would be
accepted, because the FSF was interested in using this tool; and
i was fully satisfied with the original timely response - i also
agree that the cross-linking above was unnecessary and
inappropriate

it is almost always random users who take it upon themselves to
pester project maintainers publicly about licensing issues - i
often see vague or accusative licensing issues on other projects
posted by zealous users, with the result of annoying the devs -
and it is true that those people often do not offer to help
implement their feature requests in any way, as the most zealous
users are generally not programmers, from my experience - this
is unfortunate; but can not be avoided on a public access bug
tracker

and thats not to say that those users should be dismissed as
annoying pests, simply for asking for something that the devs do
not value - any user of some software who is not a programmer,
but wants to see some features implemented, has no option other
than pestering someone to implement it - it is a legitimate form
of petition, and the upstream developers are the appropriate target
of those suggestions - devs are of course free to ignore tham, but
that is probably a case of misunderstanding or ignoring their own
user's concerns - thats why it is best to keep feature request issues
like this one open, so that users can drive-by and up-vote them with
a "++1 yea me too, please" which reduces the perceived nagging

if that sort of thing happens so often that the dev team becomes
annoyed by it, it should be seen as an indication that the users
of that program value that feature - even if the devs do not
value it, they should probably consider implementing anyways if
it is requested repeatedly by different users, as long as it
does not interfere with the goals of the project

librejs almost certainly would not interfere with the goals of
the project; and i would be very surprised if anyone from the
librejs team has ever suggested that you should implement
librejs - i really must assume that it is your own users who
are annoying you about this

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commented May 29, 2019

i also agree that the cross-linking above was unnecessary and inappropriate.

@prawnsalad I apologize for the cross-linking and I will avoid this in the future. I learned a valuable lesson, thank you.

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