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User Experience Program #1261

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keybreak opened this issue Jun 1, 2019 · 8 comments

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commented Jun 1, 2019

I think it's time to raise an alarm.

https://www.deepin.org/en/developer-community/planning/

Add the switch - “Join User Experience Program” to make the user needs better understood.

By any accounts this can not be good.

No CEIP have ever done any good, except privacy violation and so on...
Windows 10, Ubuntu, Mac OS you name it.

Even if we assume that this is all dandy and good, their settings have known to be working like s**t sometimes, and even if you opt out from some settings - sometimes it doesn't mean that you actually out (for example there was auto-login, sound problems like that).

@oberon-manjaro can you please speak to @BLumia about it, until it's too late?
Maybe having settings with this options and all related code cut off from Arch / Manjaro package or something...


Let's just say i'm really concerned about:

  1. Privacy and any possibility of tracking, considering already not perfect reputation and rumors (even if they haven't been proven).

  2. Stability of system & current amount bugs.

DO NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE.
This will kill Deepin for a lot of people out there who could tolerate it for beauty, and that is exactly opposite of what we all need right now.

If you really want user experience program, bug-reports etc - use separate Deepin feedback program & extend it however you want, but please don't make this part of core functionality of system & settings. It is insane.

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commented Jun 1, 2019

Absolutely agreed this is not a good move. If they want to wreck their own distro, so be it, but this option should be stripped out for other distros using the DE (Arch, Manjaro, Reborn, etc).

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commented Jun 3, 2019

Please consider adding an individual app to collect user experience.

Otherwise, other distros may consider drop deepin DDE support.
I love Deepin because it's a flag to present Chinese team in the OpenSource world which influences more and more people outside of China.

DDE is a very polish, modern and also a young DE, I hope it could move further and faster.

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commented Jun 3, 2019

@ZhengshuaiPENG I think an extra package that manages the user experience program and can be uninstalled without problems would be the better solution.
The "Join User Experience Program" option should appear when the package is installed and hidden when not installed.
Other distributions could then just choose to not install the user experience program package by default.

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commented Jun 3, 2019

I feel you all complain too much. You are behaving like micro-managers.

The Deepin team could do things better, but they are doing pretty well. They are being helpful even when dealing with other distros.

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commented Jun 4, 2019

I asked the related guy and for what I got is, the User Experience Program will not affact non-Deepin distro. That's all what I know, so please keep an eye on it :)

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commented Jun 4, 2019

@BLumia
Thank you, i really hope so!


Although even for Linux Deepin distro i think it would make sense to make separate package for all experience / feedback duties, like @ZhengshuaiPENG offered.

This would automatically exclude all concerns people can have with user experience programs, because if you don't like it - you can remove it.

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commented Jun 11, 2019

The switch of user experience program can be turned off, and it is off by default in our design

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commented Jun 11, 2019

@zhuxiujuancindy
That's definitely a good practice to turn off by default thx for info, but still:

Even if we assume that this is all dandy and good, their settings have known to be working like s**t sometimes, and even if you opt out from some settings - sometimes it doesn't mean that you actually out (for example there was auto-login, sound problems like that).

There was known bugs like that associated with Deepin settings (i wish there was none, but sorry it's just current reality).

So still - far better option would be a separate package that can be just removed to ensure that it's really off (settings of course still can have this option for convenience, if package is installed).

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