The ultimate dream Cinnamon roadmap for Linux Mint 17 #2663

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I have a concept Cinnamon that if implemented wouldbe the perfect desktop ever made:

1- Nemo integrates Disks + Disk Usage analyzer + Sys. info:

To make things easier for users Nemo should integrate the following:

1- Disk Usage Analyzer
2- Gnome Disk Utility
3- System Info

So when we go to computer we get everything we want about the available disk spaces and partitions.The output should be something like this below:

Nemo disks

and you can add "printers" and other devices if possible :D Take the best out everything :D

2-Nemo should support mp3 and audio files preview like on gnome 2
Audio Preview

3- Nemo should support zoompreview so when we move the cursor over an image or file we get a preview with a zoomeffect.

4- Hot corner second desktop preview:

It like adding a preview of open desktops at the corners, so when we move the cursor to a corner we get a preview of other desktops like this:

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5- 3D icons on panel and desktop:

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6- Icon animation:

Cinnamon panel should support animations so when we move the cursor over the launcher icons or launch them we get eyecandy visual feedback like we have on cairo dock. The desktop an nemo should support this two. Animations include fireworks? water ? snow, stars....

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7- Cinnamon panel edit background option like on gnome 2

8- Cinnamon reset to defaults that removes broken packages and messedup system settings

9- Cinnamon window list should support window preview

10- More Cinnamon effects like desktop cube and transparent window

11- Chameleon theme that changes every few seconds like on Windows 8

12- Panel changes colour according to the applied desktop background

13- Cinnamon panel intellihide option: To allow more space for work when we launch an app.

14- Classic Mintmenu with more themes and styles: looks like someone has already started the project here http://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/applets/view/163[/url]

15- More hot corners + more hot corners options:

a- open app. preview with mouse scroll option
mint
b- Hot corner Overview + hot corner Mintmenu
minthotcorner
c- side corners
vvvvvhhhhhh

16- Cinnamon must have a welcome screen like on Windows 7:

urfffl

17- Chameleon plymouth bootsplash for Linux Mint:

What if we integrate the welcome screen with plymouth or imitate the below plymouth behaviour. We make a new plymouth theme like below:

1- At startup switches background colours according to defined time intervals:

7 1

7 10

7 13

2- At shutdown it loads only one background colour as follows:

STARTING

I made a sample one here http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=162167

while we wait for Cinnamon to load we see some beautiful colour show like on Windows 8!

7 1r0
7 d1
a
b
c

Implement this and see what happens to other OSes :D :D

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  1. I had some ideas on integrating parts of Cinnamon Settings together that went to far, because it threatened to turn into the mess that KDE's settings are. I think this is another one of these.

Disk Partitioning tools should always be kept separate, and should require elevated privileges because of the destructive power of such tools (why GNOME Disk Utility doesn't require a password is beyond me).

System Information can be found in Cinnamon Settings, though I can see an appeal for Windows users to have it in the File Manager.

Don't know about Disk Usage Analyser.

  1. The package nemo-preview already provides this functionality, though in my set-up you have to press the space-bar to activate it. I don't know whether I want mouse-over preview or not. If you want more functionality of this package, go to https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo-extensions/issues

  2. See point 2)

  3. What's wrong with Expo? That said, some new desktop effects provided by the Window Manager would be nice (not sure which ones though).

  4. If you are willing to create the icon theme, then you can sort this one out yourself. I believe there are "3D" icon themes out there, you just have to find them.

  5. Theme Issue maybe? I know that some themes offer highlighting effects around icons when you use them, so it may be possible to tweak a theme to have bouncing icons (or something like that).

  6. Not sure how I would implement this idea, see as this has to do with overriding the Shell theme, but I'm sure it could be done.

  7. Restore to Default settings: This has been done in the Settings Plus applet. It's a case of whether the Mint developers want to integrate it into Cinnamon itself. This can also be done be nuking select hidden directories within the user's home folder.

  8. Considering not all users are aware of Alt-Tab, maybe.

  9. See point 4). On that note, there is a "Wobbly Windows" extension.

  10. I don't know whether I would like this.

  11. If you want to fork the Elegance engine for GNOME Shell and get it to work as an addition theme for Cinnamon, then you're there. I would do it this way, instead of having it built into the Shell by default.

You have to remember that whilst the eye-candy of GNOME2 + Compiz or KDE + kwin is nice, it eats up space and other system resources, so if these were to be implemented, I would have them either as optional packages or a mix of extensions and something else.

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  1. I had some ideas on integrating parts of Cinnamon Settings together that went to far, because it threatened to turn into the mess that KDE's settings are. I think this is another one of these.

Disk Partitioning tools should always be kept separate, and should require elevated privileges because of the destructive power of such tools (why GNOME Disk Utility doesn't require a password is beyond me).

System Information can be found in Cinnamon Settings, though I can see an appeal for Windows users to have it in the File Manager.

Don't know about Disk Usage Analyser.

  1. The package nemo-preview already provides this functionality, though in my set-up you have to press the space-bar to activate it. I don't know whether I want mouse-over preview or not. If you want more functionality of this package, go to https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo-extensions/issues

  2. See point 2)

  3. What's wrong with Expo? That said, some new desktop effects provided by the Window Manager would be nice (not sure which ones though).

  4. If you are willing to create the icon theme, then you can sort this one out yourself. I believe there are "3D" icon themes out there, you just have to find them.

  5. Theme Issue maybe? I know that some themes offer highlighting effects around icons when you use them, so it may be possible to tweak a theme to have bouncing icons (or something like that).

  6. Not sure how I would implement this idea, see as this has to do with overriding the Shell theme, but I'm sure it could be done.

  7. Restore to Default settings: This has been done in the Settings Plus applet. It's a case of whether the Mint developers want to integrate it into Cinnamon itself. This can also be done be nuking select hidden directories within the user's home folder.

  8. Considering not all users are aware of Alt-Tab, maybe.

  9. See point 4). On that note, there is a "Wobbly Windows" extension.

  10. I don't know whether I would like this.

  11. If you want to fork the Elegance engine for GNOME Shell and get it to work as an addition theme for Cinnamon, then you're there. I would do it this way, instead of having it built into the Shell by default.

You have to remember that whilst the eye-candy of GNOME2 + Compiz or KDE + kwin is nice, it eats up space and other system resources, so if these were to be implemented, I would have them either as optional packages or a mix of extensions and something else.

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All I want is a complete desktop that takes the best out of everything. But I still can understand the issue of resources though! But this features can be achieved with time

All I want is a complete desktop that takes the best out of everything. But I still can understand the issue of resources though! But this features can be achieved with time

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I've thought of trying to get Compiz 0.8 to run with Cinnamon... Seeing as awesomewm runs with Cinnamon, I don't see why it shouldn't work...

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I've thought of trying to get Compiz 0.8 to run with Cinnamon... Seeing as awesomewm runs with Cinnamon, I don't see why it shouldn't work...

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I love compiz! Can you fork it for Cinnamon??

I love compiz! Can you fork it for Cinnamon??

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@clfarron4 : compiz won't run with Cinnamon, and neither will any other window manager, since Cinnamon is a window manager itself.

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@clfarron4 : compiz won't run with Cinnamon, and neither will any other window manager, since Cinnamon is a window manager itself.

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Why can't you add more effects to it?

Why can't you add more effects to it?

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@freemangilgamesh : I didn't say more effects couldn't be added to Cinnamon. I said Compiz couldn't be run with Cinnamon.

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@freemangilgamesh : I didn't say more effects couldn't be added to Cinnamon. I said Compiz couldn't be run with Cinnamon.

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@glebihan I disagree with you, in so far as replicating the GNOME with
awesomewm style replacement with Cinnamon (this gives an awesomewm session,
with the Cinnamon GTK settings, notifications and some keybindings).

If we are talking about having the Cinnamon Shell up and running and
replacing the WM, then yes, you are right.
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@clfarron4 https://github.com/clfarron4 : compiz won't run with
Cinnamon, and neither will any other window manager, since Cinnamon is a
window manager itself.


Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHubhttps://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/2663#issuecomment-29343608
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@glebihan I disagree with you, in so far as replicating the GNOME with
awesomewm style replacement with Cinnamon (this gives an awesomewm session,
with the Cinnamon GTK settings, notifications and some keybindings).

If we are talking about having the Cinnamon Shell up and running and
replacing the WM, then yes, you are right.
On 26 Nov 2013 22:57, "glebihan" notifications@github.com wrote:

@clfarron4 https://github.com/clfarron4 : compiz won't run with
Cinnamon, and neither will any other window manager, since Cinnamon is a
window manager itself.


Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHubhttps://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/2663#issuecomment-29343608
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@clfarron4 : if you're running awesomewm, you're not running Cinnamon.
I've no idea what you're talking about when saying "replicating the GNOME with
awesomewm style replacement with Cinnamon", but you can't disagree with what I said as it is fact : you cannot, by any way, run Cinnamon together with another WM.

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@clfarron4 : if you're running awesomewm, you're not running Cinnamon.
I've no idea what you're talking about when saying "replicating the GNOME with
awesomewm style replacement with Cinnamon", but you can't disagree with what I said as it is fact : you cannot, by any way, run Cinnamon together with another WM.

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Ok, to clear up what I mean, I have taken the following instructions and
tweaked the instructions to run with Cinnamon bits instead of GNOME bits
(you can go to my github for the resulting files for ArchLinux):
http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Quickly_Setting_up_Awesome_with_Gnome

As to where it falls in environments, I don't know because wording for the Awesome/GNOME combination is confusing (it says run awesome with GNOME and GNOME with awesome both on the same page.

Anyways, enough with the thread-jacking, Cinnamon with Compiz is out of the Window, so we'd either be looking at extensions or making some of the more advanced desktop effects packaged with Cinnamon itself.

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Ok, to clear up what I mean, I have taken the following instructions and
tweaked the instructions to run with Cinnamon bits instead of GNOME bits
(you can go to my github for the resulting files for ArchLinux):
http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Quickly_Setting_up_Awesome_with_Gnome

As to where it falls in environments, I don't know because wording for the Awesome/GNOME combination is confusing (it says run awesome with GNOME and GNOME with awesome both on the same page.

Anyways, enough with the thread-jacking, Cinnamon with Compiz is out of the Window, so we'd either be looking at extensions or making some of the more advanced desktop effects packaged with Cinnamon itself.

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@clfarron4 : if you do what is shown on that page, you end up running awesome and not cinnamon at all.
You'll only get some tiny bits of the components that surround Cinnamon, but none of Cinnamon itself (panels, menu, applets, desklets, expo, scale....)

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@clfarron4 : if you do what is shown on that page, you end up running awesome and not cinnamon at all.
You'll only get some tiny bits of the components that surround Cinnamon, but none of Cinnamon itself (panels, menu, applets, desklets, expo, scale....)

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Please don't make sweeping (and honestly ignorant) statements like "wouldbe the perfect desktop ever made" obviously your idea of perfect will be different from the next person and that different from the next person and so on. Personally I hate most of your ideas and think they only appeal to you and perhaps a few others.

Every one is entitled to their opinions but please try and keep the general consensus in mind when suggesting new ideas.

On the mention of opinions here's mine on your ideas:
1- I like my file manager to manage my files, this is not windows, if I wanted to analyse my discs I have a disc analyser to do so
2- I believe this is already being worked on
3- Seriously, this is completely unnecessary
4- This just looks horrible and pointless
5- Go make your own icon pack, it's easy
6- Bouncy icons, use a dock, this is a panel were talking about
7- The panel is defined by the theme, don't like it? Make your own theme
8- There are already default buttons in most settings but perhaps a global one wouldn't be a bad idea
9- There is an applet for this already, check the online section in applet configuration
10- Yuk, early 2000's wants it desktop back
11- Don't even get me started on how disgusting this would be
12- Mint isn't Ubuntu and Cinnamon isn't Unity

Please don't make sweeping (and honestly ignorant) statements like "wouldbe the perfect desktop ever made" obviously your idea of perfect will be different from the next person and that different from the next person and so on. Personally I hate most of your ideas and think they only appeal to you and perhaps a few others.

Every one is entitled to their opinions but please try and keep the general consensus in mind when suggesting new ideas.

On the mention of opinions here's mine on your ideas:
1- I like my file manager to manage my files, this is not windows, if I wanted to analyse my discs I have a disc analyser to do so
2- I believe this is already being worked on
3- Seriously, this is completely unnecessary
4- This just looks horrible and pointless
5- Go make your own icon pack, it's easy
6- Bouncy icons, use a dock, this is a panel were talking about
7- The panel is defined by the theme, don't like it? Make your own theme
8- There are already default buttons in most settings but perhaps a global one wouldn't be a bad idea
9- There is an applet for this already, check the online section in applet configuration
10- Yuk, early 2000's wants it desktop back
11- Don't even get me started on how disgusting this would be
12- Mint isn't Ubuntu and Cinnamon isn't Unity

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-1 to adding any more eye candy to cinnamon as it isn't productive and wastes precious resources.
I have better things to use my AMD FX8350, 8gb RAM and GTS450 like proper work instead !!

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-1 to adding any more eye candy to cinnamon as it isn't productive and wastes precious resources.
I have better things to use my AMD FX8350, 8gb RAM and GTS450 like proper work instead !!

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I have added more points to my roadmap! reread it!

I have added more points to my roadmap! reread it!

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  1. I suppose that this would be nice for some. Whilst Panel Auto-hide is nice, some people would prefer intellihide.

  2. Are you asking for it to be possible to theme the Menu themed independently of the Shell theme?

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  1. I suppose that this would be nice for some. Whilst Panel Auto-hide is nice, some people would prefer intellihide.

  2. Are you asking for it to be possible to theme the Menu themed independently of the Shell theme?

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@freemangilgamesh Most of your suggestions can be implemented as Cinnamon spices (applets, extensions, desklets, themes and nemo actions). We already have a Wobbly Windows extension, but unfortunately it doesn't work perfectly yet. However it could still be improved by anyone.
Although I agree that your requests would convert Cinnamon in a bloated mess, I think some of your suggestion are actually very interesting, or even innovative. So I think we shouldn't be restrict to just copying other DEs features, but instead we should think in creating some innovative original features as well.
I really applaud your courage to propose these features and expose yourself to criticism.

@freemangilgamesh Most of your suggestions can be implemented as Cinnamon spices (applets, extensions, desklets, themes and nemo actions). We already have a Wobbly Windows extension, but unfortunately it doesn't work perfectly yet. However it could still be improved by anyone.
Although I agree that your requests would convert Cinnamon in a bloated mess, I think some of your suggestion are actually very interesting, or even innovative. So I think we shouldn't be restrict to just copying other DEs features, but instead we should think in creating some innovative original features as well.
I really applaud your courage to propose these features and expose yourself to criticism.

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15-c bad while scrolling in fullscreen windows, it will be activated when you try to scroll using the scroll bars, we had this problem with edge-flip-workspace-change.

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15-c bad while scrolling in fullscreen windows, it will be activated when you try to scroll using the scroll bars, we had this problem with edge-flip-workspace-change.

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13- Cinnamon panel intellihide option: To allow more space for work when we launch an app
16- Cinnamon must have a welcome screen like on Windows 7:

urfffl

What do you think of this?

13- Cinnamon panel intellihide option: To allow more space for work when we launch an app
16- Cinnamon must have a welcome screen like on Windows 7:

urfffl

What do you think of this?

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16- Is that green background a part of the welcome screen? If yes, some people may or may not like green... which means that it must be customizable... which is simply too much for something that's meant to get out of the way and let the user use cinnamon.
If it's the wallpaper, the font colour of "Welcome to cinnamon..." must adapt to it or it will look horrible on lighter wallpapers(Like the default linux mint one)
Frankly, a welcome screen is an unnecessary hog on resources which will make the actual loading of cinnamon slower.

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16- Is that green background a part of the welcome screen? If yes, some people may or may not like green... which means that it must be customizable... which is simply too much for something that's meant to get out of the way and let the user use cinnamon.
If it's the wallpaper, the font colour of "Welcome to cinnamon..." must adapt to it or it will look horrible on lighter wallpapers(Like the default linux mint one)
Frankly, a welcome screen is an unnecessary hog on resources which will make the actual loading of cinnamon slower.

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What if we integrate the welcome screen with plymouth or imitate the below plymouth behaviour. We make a new plymouth theme like below:

1- At startup switches background colours according to defined time intervals:

7 1

7 10

7 13

2- At shutdown it loads only one background colour as follows:

STARTING

I made a sample one here http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=162167

while we wait for Cinnamon to load we see some beautiful colour show like on Windows 8!

7 1r0
7 d1
a
b
c

What if we integrate the welcome screen with plymouth or imitate the below plymouth behaviour. We make a new plymouth theme like below:

1- At startup switches background colours according to defined time intervals:

7 1

7 10

7 13

2- At shutdown it loads only one background colour as follows:

STARTING

I made a sample one here http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=162167

while we wait for Cinnamon to load we see some beautiful colour show like on Windows 8!

7 1r0
7 d1
a
b
c

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Horrible wishlist is horrible...

ghost commented Dec 22, 2013

Horrible wishlist is horrible...

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I like the welcome loading screen. Mint needs a way for the user to know it's loading prier to the mint logo/icon appearing.

I like the welcome loading screen. Mint needs a way for the user to know it's loading prier to the mint logo/icon appearing.

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Jeez! Bollywood moved to github 👎

pcbulai commented Jan 30, 2014

Jeez! Bollywood moved to github 👎

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I made the color-cycled plymouth theme. Its cycles colors very smoothly now. Get it here http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/colors+v5+bootsplash+for+Linux+Mint+17?content=163212

I made the color-cycled plymouth theme. Its cycles colors very smoothly now. Get it here http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/colors+v5+bootsplash+for+Linux+Mint+17?content=163212

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This looks all like the reinvention of "the Homer":
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1033/1033363934_dc44fb5b8f_z.jpg?zz=1

It would probably be the ultimate Cinnamon, indeed. With its traditional meening, more precisely.

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This looks all like the reinvention of "the Homer":
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1033/1033363934_dc44fb5b8f_z.jpg?zz=1

It would probably be the ultimate Cinnamon, indeed. With its traditional meening, more precisely.

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I think you're wasting your time with the plymouth theme, considering how long it is displayed for, my ageing laptop only shows the splash screen for all of about 5 seconds, furthermore Mint's boot splash screen is hardly an area for concern as it is. For arguments sake, lets say the Mint devs DID want to change the splash screen, I would fight against your design every step of the way, I wont water this down, it's hideous.

I think you're wasting your time with the plymouth theme, considering how long it is displayed for, my ageing laptop only shows the splash screen for all of about 5 seconds, furthermore Mint's boot splash screen is hardly an area for concern as it is. For arguments sake, lets say the Mint devs DID want to change the splash screen, I would fight against your design every step of the way, I wont water this down, it's hideous.

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you have to test it before you can judge it. It does not look like in the screenshot BTW!!:!!!!

you have to test it before you can judge it. It does not look like in the screenshot BTW!!:!!!!

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I have made this video for you guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP5qhjz4yA0&feature=youtu.be

It show this theme in action.

I have included a test-plymouth script here http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/colors+v5+bootsplash+for+Linux+Mint+17?content=163212

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I would rather poke my eyes out than have this shit included in cinnamon.
If this crap is integrated I will fork cinnamon myself!!!

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leigh123linux commented Feb 3, 2014

I would rather poke my eyes out than have this shit included in cinnamon.
If this crap is integrated I will fork cinnamon myself!!!

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@leigh123linux It's a plymouth theme, technically it can't be included in cinnamon

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gauravjuvekar commented Feb 3, 2014

@leigh123linux It's a plymouth theme, technically it can't be included in cinnamon

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Not a fan... reminds me of Windows 8

Just a note, on my laptop with an ssd, I see the plymouth splash for maybe 0.5 seconds anyhow..

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mtwebster commented Feb 3, 2014

Not a fan... reminds me of Windows 8

Just a note, on my laptop with an ssd, I see the plymouth splash for maybe 0.5 seconds anyhow..

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I have created a new Linux Mint logo for my plymouth theme and updated it here http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/colors+v5+bootsplash+for+Linux+Mint+17?content=163212&PHPSESSID=83e2d46c7333f0384e4cdbfb26fc1761

I have added the release name at startup and a goodbye message for the shutdown too.

video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt8tBAbXetA&feature=youtu.be

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I have created a new Linux Mint logo for my plymouth theme and updated it here http://linuxmint-art.org/content/show.php/colors+v5+bootsplash+for+Linux+Mint+17?content=163212&PHPSESSID=83e2d46c7333f0384e4cdbfb26fc1761

I have added the release name at startup and a goodbye message for the shutdown too.

video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt8tBAbXetA&feature=youtu.be

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Ffs, I tried to hold this off for the sake of being friendly. Most people see the splash screen for such a small amount of time that putting any effort into developing the splash design is pointless. Even if there were such a need, your design is truly hideous. It doesn't even remotely match any of the Mint design style, who would want a bunch of garishly bright mismatched colors cycling over for a few seconds on boot, the same poor design style goes for almost all of the ideas here whether it be graphical design or usability design.

This thread is the single biggest collection of awful ideas I've ever seen in one place.

Ffs, I tried to hold this off for the sake of being friendly. Most people see the splash screen for such a small amount of time that putting any effort into developing the splash design is pointless. Even if there were such a need, your design is truly hideous. It doesn't even remotely match any of the Mint design style, who would want a bunch of garishly bright mismatched colors cycling over for a few seconds on boot, the same poor design style goes for almost all of the ideas here whether it be graphical design or usability design.

This thread is the single biggest collection of awful ideas I've ever seen in one place.

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@imarkskinner 👍 This is absolutely horrifying. Not even Microsoft, the indisputable king of bad taste, wouldn't put that in a product.

@freemangilgamesh dude, if you want to learn design I suggest you hackdesign.com. Honestly, quit it for now. After you learn some deep shit about design, come back here and impress us with something actually good. That's a friendly advice.

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@imarkskinner 👍 This is absolutely horrifying. Not even Microsoft, the indisputable king of bad taste, wouldn't put that in a product.

@freemangilgamesh dude, if you want to learn design I suggest you hackdesign.com. Honestly, quit it for now. After you learn some deep shit about design, come back here and impress us with something actually good. That's a friendly advice.

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Time to wake up from this ultimate nightmare.

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Time to wake up from this ultimate nightmare.

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I'm only suggesting and trying to help so hold back your horses guys! Speaking of design, I don't think that Mint 15/16 "logo in the dark" has anything to do with design. Mint bootsplash is ugly ugly ugly and it does not suit an elegant distro like Mint. I think Mint develpment team should pay attention to the smallest details because normal users don't know anything about codes and technicalities; they want something elegant to show to their friends and something practical to work with. I reboot my PC at least 15 times a day and everytime i see that dark logo zooming up i want to put my foot through the screen. Why can't we just have a fullscreen bootsplash like Ubuntu! Bootsplash is important and it is the first impression we get about the OS! Did you know how many people has abondoned the installation of Mint 13 because of your "design" !!! Well read the forum and see for yourselves; many people force quit their PCs because they see a black screen (no bootsplash) when they boot from a USB or DVD. Mind you, i've done that myself quite a few times before I decided to talk to Mr Clem about it and he was very positive about it and he did not tell me to learn design or kung fu before I can talk to him! So that's my philosophy and I'm not a dev. or anything and I think the ultimate test for a design is "the maket not the university guys" you don't ask users to learndesign to like your product; see my point? If I were you i would test the user-friendlines of my distro on children and noobs (they are the majority)

Albert Einstein once said 'If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.'
Linux Mint is great the way it is but I think you need to improve it because if you stop walking they will overtake you! Very simple and basic wit!

I'm only suggesting and trying to help so hold back your horses guys! Speaking of design, I don't think that Mint 15/16 "logo in the dark" has anything to do with design. Mint bootsplash is ugly ugly ugly and it does not suit an elegant distro like Mint. I think Mint develpment team should pay attention to the smallest details because normal users don't know anything about codes and technicalities; they want something elegant to show to their friends and something practical to work with. I reboot my PC at least 15 times a day and everytime i see that dark logo zooming up i want to put my foot through the screen. Why can't we just have a fullscreen bootsplash like Ubuntu! Bootsplash is important and it is the first impression we get about the OS! Did you know how many people has abondoned the installation of Mint 13 because of your "design" !!! Well read the forum and see for yourselves; many people force quit their PCs because they see a black screen (no bootsplash) when they boot from a USB or DVD. Mind you, i've done that myself quite a few times before I decided to talk to Mr Clem about it and he was very positive about it and he did not tell me to learn design or kung fu before I can talk to him! So that's my philosophy and I'm not a dev. or anything and I think the ultimate test for a design is "the maket not the university guys" you don't ask users to learndesign to like your product; see my point? If I were you i would test the user-friendlines of my distro on children and noobs (they are the majority)

Albert Einstein once said 'If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.'
Linux Mint is great the way it is but I think you need to improve it because if you stop walking they will overtake you! Very simple and basic wit!

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@freemangilgamesh : nobody said there was nothing to improve about Mint. There are always many things that can be improved.

But :
1/ Boot splashes are basically useless with modern machines as they hardly show up
2/ I've never heard of a single user who cancelled installation because of the lack of boot splash
3/ Your designs are definitely not an improvement
4/ Many people who commented here are users, not devs

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@freemangilgamesh : nobody said there was nothing to improve about Mint. There are always many things that can be improved.

But :
1/ Boot splashes are basically useless with modern machines as they hardly show up
2/ I've never heard of a single user who cancelled installation because of the lack of boot splash
3/ Your designs are definitely not an improvement
4/ Many people who commented here are users, not devs

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Linux Mint is great the way it is but I think you need to improve it because if you stop walking they will overtake you! Very simple and basic wit!

Who's the 'they' that you're referring to?

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Linux Mint is great the way it is but I think you need to improve it because if you stop walking they will overtake you! Very simple and basic wit!

Who's the 'they' that you're referring to?

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Forgot to say : in any case, boot splashes have nothing to do with Cinnamon in the first place.

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Forgot to say : in any case, boot splashes have nothing to do with Cinnamon in the first place.

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@gauravjuvekar they refers to other distributios and OSes

When people hear the word mint they expect something green and bright, that's what they taught us in psycholinguistics at least. I have been promoting and using Linux Mint as my main and only OS for 3 years now and I install it for my customers al the time and they love it. I install it at schools and youth clubs too and I'm only reporting what they tell me. You guys are using Ubuntu user agent and you don't know how many people are using Linux Mint but in my country, Tunisia, it is more famous than Ubuntu and people expect a lot from it and with XP going obsolete in April and 8 being a fiasco, Mint would be the best candidate to step up. So I think the next Mint release should be a fresh rebirth of Mint with lots of esthetics and stability. Something mintilicious i mean.lol
So far you guys are the best and we expect a lot from you! excuse my noob language because my speciality is language and literature and I have never studied IT before (self-taught) but I believe in efficiency and pragmatism!

thanks!

edit: I can see your point guys but this is only food for thought! BTW There's only one bug if you fix it Cinnamon would be perfect and that is the disappearing desktop icons on Mint 16!

many thanks and sorry for taking your time!

@gauravjuvekar they refers to other distributios and OSes

When people hear the word mint they expect something green and bright, that's what they taught us in psycholinguistics at least. I have been promoting and using Linux Mint as my main and only OS for 3 years now and I install it for my customers al the time and they love it. I install it at schools and youth clubs too and I'm only reporting what they tell me. You guys are using Ubuntu user agent and you don't know how many people are using Linux Mint but in my country, Tunisia, it is more famous than Ubuntu and people expect a lot from it and with XP going obsolete in April and 8 being a fiasco, Mint would be the best candidate to step up. So I think the next Mint release should be a fresh rebirth of Mint with lots of esthetics and stability. Something mintilicious i mean.lol
So far you guys are the best and we expect a lot from you! excuse my noob language because my speciality is language and literature and I have never studied IT before (self-taught) but I believe in efficiency and pragmatism!

thanks!

edit: I can see your point guys but this is only food for thought! BTW There's only one bug if you fix it Cinnamon would be perfect and that is the disappearing desktop icons on Mint 16!

many thanks and sorry for taking your time!

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There may be some good ideas here, but the feature requests should be made individually on their respective components and not presented as a "roadmap" which is typically used by developers and project managers. As @imarkskinner said, each user has their own idea of what a perfect desktop would look like.

Personally I don't want my Mint looking anything like Windows, or Mac for that matter, but I recognize that some users do, and for those users there are plenty of customizations that can be made without affecting the entirety of the Cinnamon user base.

@freemangilgamesh, thank you for your constructive comments and don't feel like your time was wasted- there are users out there who will undoubtedly appreciate your work. In linux and in life, the more options the better

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There may be some good ideas here, but the feature requests should be made individually on their respective components and not presented as a "roadmap" which is typically used by developers and project managers. As @imarkskinner said, each user has their own idea of what a perfect desktop would look like.

Personally I don't want my Mint looking anything like Windows, or Mac for that matter, but I recognize that some users do, and for those users there are plenty of customizations that can be made without affecting the entirety of the Cinnamon user base.

@freemangilgamesh, thank you for your constructive comments and don't feel like your time was wasted- there are users out there who will undoubtedly appreciate your work. In linux and in life, the more options the better

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rjanja@well said rjanja! thanks for saying that it is all about choice man I agree

and for the plymouth theme I rethought it all and here is my new design. It is called "ice-cream": http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=163329

It features a color-cycled background with floating Linux Mint logos that meat at Linux Mint logo in the center of the screen. In the the "progress_bar.png" you can write whatever you want and It will progressively display the text. I wrote "from freedom came elegance " in it then removed it myself. Please test it and tell me what you think of it. I think it is mintilicious. It is meant to be cheerful and to convey positive feelings.

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and now I'm currently working on this :
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rjanja@well said rjanja! thanks for saying that it is all about choice man I agree

and for the plymouth theme I rethought it all and here is my new design. It is called "ice-cream": http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=163329

It features a color-cycled background with floating Linux Mint logos that meat at Linux Mint logo in the center of the screen. In the the "progress_bar.png" you can write whatever you want and It will progressively display the text. I wrote "from freedom came elegance " in it then removed it myself. Please test it and tell me what you think of it. I think it is mintilicious. It is meant to be cheerful and to convey positive feelings.

imagebam.com imagebam.com imagebam.com

and now I'm currently working on this :
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1-, +1 and I also have an idea here linuxmint/nemo#511 to integrate fileroller into Nemo(I know it is actually an issue for nemo not cinnamon). But the speed of opening "computer" will be slower...
2-, +1 (also a nemo issue)
3-, +1 (also a nemo issue)
4-, +0 sorry I'm not a fan of using hot conner :)
5-, -1 just don't like it
6-, +1 cool idea ,what ever a dock or a panel ,they're a set of launchers,just let them handy and good-looking.
7-, +1 I think a GUI tweak tool is needed for editing panel's property(especially when color is involved, right now I am jumping between gcolor2 and cinnamon.css)
8-, +1 and better have a way to import and export settings
9-, +1 you can try some applets some times they works like a charm.
10-, +0.5 I like transparent window but not cube
11-, +0 cool ,but I don't like so much "surprise" :)
12, +1 you know what I mean, I can not imagine I have to look for close button from left to right side when themes are changing , but background is OK.
13-, +2 for now, I place all my item want to be hided on top panel and autohide the whole panel, because some bug make autohide applet not work well.
14-, good news, but I get 404 on that page.
15-, +0.75 I just don't like so much hot corner :)
16-,17-, +0 just let plymouth do what it can and pick anything you like.

1-, +1 and I also have an idea here linuxmint/nemo#511 to integrate fileroller into Nemo(I know it is actually an issue for nemo not cinnamon). But the speed of opening "computer" will be slower...
2-, +1 (also a nemo issue)
3-, +1 (also a nemo issue)
4-, +0 sorry I'm not a fan of using hot conner :)
5-, -1 just don't like it
6-, +1 cool idea ,what ever a dock or a panel ,they're a set of launchers,just let them handy and good-looking.
7-, +1 I think a GUI tweak tool is needed for editing panel's property(especially when color is involved, right now I am jumping between gcolor2 and cinnamon.css)
8-, +1 and better have a way to import and export settings
9-, +1 you can try some applets some times they works like a charm.
10-, +0.5 I like transparent window but not cube
11-, +0 cool ,but I don't like so much "surprise" :)
12, +1 you know what I mean, I can not imagine I have to look for close button from left to right side when themes are changing , but background is OK.
13-, +2 for now, I place all my item want to be hided on top panel and autohide the whole panel, because some bug make autohide applet not work well.
14-, good news, but I get 404 on that page.
15-, +0.75 I just don't like so much hot corner :)
16-,17-, +0 just let plymouth do what it can and pick anything you like.

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I actually agree with most of these ideas. I kind of like the splash screens you made but I feel like they could do with being more unique...

Currently they look like combinations of windows 7 & 8...

I like most of your other ideas too...however I don't think adding anything looking 3D is the way to go with design. 3D eye candy just doesn't look modern anymore

AymenQ commented Apr 14, 2014

I actually agree with most of these ideas. I kind of like the splash screens you made but I feel like they could do with being more unique...

Currently they look like combinations of windows 7 & 8...

I like most of your other ideas too...however I don't think adding anything looking 3D is the way to go with design. 3D eye candy just doesn't look modern anymore

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^Unless it's subtle, smooth and looks professional :p

AymenQ commented Apr 14, 2014

^Unless it's subtle, smooth and looks professional :p

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here is a good bootsplash that you might like http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/aurora-borealis%3A+Linux+Mint+bootsplash?content=163634

My friend Thee Mahn, Ultimate Edition founder, repostormed it for me and made the deb file for it.

here is a good bootsplash that you might like http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/aurora-borealis%3A+Linux+Mint+bootsplash?content=163634

My friend Thee Mahn, Ultimate Edition founder, repostormed it for me and made the deb file for it.

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I saw this stuff at a glance and noticed nobody followed up at the end. But for the future I think concentration on improving workflow over playing dress-up should be the focus. When I'm waiting to get in there to edit a text file, I could care less if there is a welcome screen, in fact it is annoying, it is almost mocking as if to say "guess what, you cant do anything yet... nothing!" and makes me just reach for CTRL+ALT+F1 and into text terminal I go...

I saw this stuff at a glance and noticed nobody followed up at the end. But for the future I think concentration on improving workflow over playing dress-up should be the focus. When I'm waiting to get in there to edit a text file, I could care less if there is a welcome screen, in fact it is annoying, it is almost mocking as if to say "guess what, you cant do anything yet... nothing!" and makes me just reach for CTRL+ALT+F1 and into text terminal I go...

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