MSC3935: Cute Events against social distancing #3935

TheOneWithTheBraid · 2022-11-16T12:37:49Z

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proposals/XXXX-cute-events.md

ghost · 2022-11-18T23:10:24Z

Hope this turn won't into cold "X send you a hug".

JacksonChen666

there's an amount of typos in this file

JacksonChen666 · 2022-11-18T23:08:27Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+## Potential issues
+
+This MSC instroduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are


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This MSC instroduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are

This MSC introduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are

JacksonChen666 · 2022-11-18T23:09:01Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+## Alternatives
+
+A conscidered alternative to Cute Events are MSC2545 -  Image Packs


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A conscidered alternative to Cute Events are MSC2545 - Image Packs

A considered alternative to Cute Events are MSC2545 - Image Packs

JacksonChen666 · 2022-11-18T23:09:24Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+## Dependencies
+
+This MSC dos not have any particular dependency.


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This MSC dos not have any particular dependency.

This MSC does not have any particular dependency.

JacksonChen666 · 2022-11-18T23:09:49Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+This MSC targets this problem by introducing a new `msgtype` for
+`m.room.message` named `m.cute_event`. Cute events should provide fallback
+conent as Unicoe Emotes. Suppoted clients can render these events in a special,


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conent as Unicoe Emotes. Suppoted clients can render these events in a special,

content as Unicode Emotes. Supported clients can render these events in a special,

vrifox · 2022-11-19T07:53:39Z

Reminds me of Elements /confetti. :)

HarHarLinks · 2022-11-26T12:16:25Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

+## Potential issues
+
+This MSC instroduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are
+discussed below in the [Security](#Security considerations) section.


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discussed below in the [Security](#Security considerations) section.

discussed below in the [Security](#security-considerations) section.

LorenDB · 2022-12-26T21:25:03Z

To be honest, this feels like a strange thing to add to the spec, especially considering that not even confetti has been officially added to the spec. While things like confetti can be fun (and I added confetti to nheko recently), I think that it is easy to go overboard with effects like these, and some of these things are best implemented as an unofficial event type (like nic.custom.confetti or io.element.effects.snowfall; this MSC could be converted to something like cf.with-the-braid.cute_event). I'm certainly not trying to be a killjoy, but I want to encourage caution in the number of "frivolous" additions to the spec; I see the spec as something intended more for the essential elements of a system that can then have fun things added.

Maybe there should be an "unofficial spec" created that collects community-created event types that clients can then implement at their leisure instead of (potentially) feeling pressured to implement fancy effects like these that have been added to the spec.

LorenDB · 2022-12-26T22:17:36Z

Maybe there should be an "unofficial spec" created that collects community-created event types that clients can then implement at their leisure instead of (potentially) feeling pressured to implement fancy effects like these that have been added to the spec.

~~I have now created one at https://lorendb.github.io/unofficial-matrix-spec/.~~ ~~Use https://matrix.directory instead.~~ It turns out there is no place for this right now :(

turt2live · 2023-11-27T22:27:18Z

It looks like this MSC didn't get added to the tracking boards we use to avoid forgetting about MSCs, sorry. That said, I generally agree that this should wait until we have a formal "event registry" or similar. The first step towards that is #3587 (which needs to be migrated to the new repo 😇), then an MSC to describe how governance around random event types works.

@mscbot fcp postpone

mscbot · 2023-11-27T22:27:21Z

uhoreg · 2023-11-27T22:53:45Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+The specified type is contained in the event's content under the key `type`.
+
+The `body` MUST contain a fallback for unsupported clients as Unicode Emote.


Seems like this might get a different representation under Extensible Events. Maybe something like

{ "type": "m.cute_event", "content": { "m.cute_event": { "type": "googly_eyes", }, "m.text": [ {"body": "👀"} ] } }

This really feels like a perfect use case for extensible events. Would it be too much to suggest building on that rather than having to implement it and then adapt it later? It also saves clarifying that this is an optional feature: with extensible events rendering the text fallback is always a perfectly acceptable option.

yeah, while reading this MSC, i really thought that this is screaming out to be implemented extensible events.

I also think that 'cute events' are actually a useful feature in general - e.g. for bridging to iMessage, for recommending special effects to be applied to event presentation.

I don't think we should block this on an "event registry" though. Instead, I suspect the best way to proceed on this would be to:

a) turn it into extensible events (i.e. have an m.effect mix-in)
b) specify some effects based on whatever fluffychat + element + imessage does already today:

imessage (stolen from https://mobi.easeus.com/ios-tips/iphone-text-effects-and-tricks.html):

fireworks

firecrackers

balloons

confetti

laser show

slam

loud

gentle

invisible ink

echo

Spotlight

love

celebration (same as firecrackers?)

shooting star

fluffychat

googly eyes

...

element

space invaders

snow

...and in future introduce a registry so people can rack up a common language for future effects.

dbkr · 2023-11-28T11:39:19Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+## Potential issues
+
+This MSC instroduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are


I'm finding this section quite weird. If they're a11y issues, I'd put them here. If they're security issues, I'd just put 'None foreseen' or something here and put them in the security section?

dbkr · 2023-11-28T11:41:19Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+## Dependencies
+
+This MSC dos not have any particular dependency.


What do you mean by 'particular' here? I think it just has no dependencies, full stop?

dbkr · 2023-11-28T11:47:31Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

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+The specified type is contained in the event's content under the key `type`.
+
+The `body` MUST contain a fallback for unsupported clients as Unicode Emote.


This really feels like a perfect use case for extensible events. Would it be too much to suggest building on that rather than having to implement it and then adapt it later? It also saves clarifying that this is an optional feature: with extensible events rendering the text fallback is always a perfectly acceptable option.

dbkr · 2023-11-28T11:52:55Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

+The initial implementation is found in the
+[Matrix Dart SDK](https://gitlab.com/famedly/company/frontend/famedlysdk/-/merge_requests/1168),
+prefixed as: `im.fluffychat.cute_event`. An
+[open MR for FluffyChat](https://gitlab.com/famedly/fluffychat/-/merge_requests/1031) exists.


These links needs updating

dbkr · 2023-11-28T11:58:20Z

proposals/3935-cute-events.md

+social distance by sending Cute Events: Googly Eyes, Hugs and Cuddles.*
+
+This MSC targets this problem by introducing a new `msgtype` for
+`m.room.message` named `m.cute_event`. Cute events should provide fallback


Cute events are cute but this feels like it could probably have a wider scope and include stuff that isn't necessarily just... cute? I don't know what a better name would be though, possibly because I'm not quite imagining what might actually happen in the client other than an animated sticker or something (at which point we're into your alternative).

Btw, a gif of fluffychat rendering one of these events would feel useful and entirely appropriate to put in the MSC description, personally.

Maybe something like "visual effect", "emote" or "emotion"? "Event" might be redundant since we already know it is inside an event.

mscbot · 2024-03-27T21:18:37Z

🔔 This is now entering its final comment period, as per the review above. 🔔

mscbot · 2024-04-01T21:18:48Z

The final comment period, with a disposition to postpone, as per the review above, is now complete.

turt2live · 2024-04-01T21:20:23Z

For clarity: this is postponed until Extensible Events progresses further, either with an event registry or a more complete base system is usable. The proposal will be re-evaluated at that point.

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		## Potential issues

		This MSC instroduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are

	This MSC instroduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are
	This MSC introduces potential issues in regard of accessibility. They are


		## Alternatives

		A conscidered alternative to Cute Events are MSC2545 - Image Packs

	A conscidered alternative to Cute Events are MSC2545 - Image Packs
	A considered alternative to Cute Events are MSC2545 - Image Packs


		## Dependencies

		This MSC dos not have any particular dependency.

	This MSC dos not have any particular dependency.
	This MSC does not have any particular dependency.

	conent as Unicoe Emotes. Suppoted clients can render these events in a special,
	content as Unicode Emotes. Supported clients can render these events in a special,

	discussed below in the [Security](#Security considerations) section.
	discussed below in the [Security](#security-considerations) section.


		The specified type is contained in the event's content under the key `type`.

		The `body` MUST contain a fallback for unsupported clients as Unicode Emote.

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