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Social Gathering (2012 05 15)
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2012-05-15 15:05:20 UTC - seacreature - I guess it is time for us to gather socially
2012-05-15 15:05:38 UTC - semmons99 - I fell both social and gatherful right now
2012-05-15 15:05:49 UTC - semmons99 - so it's great timing
2012-05-15 15:08:39 UTC - seacreature - I feel like I need coffee. :-P
2012-05-15 15:08:40 UTC - seacreature - brb
2012-05-15 15:10:26 UTC - seacreature - so, what's new everyone?
2012-05-15 15:10:27 UTC - jordanbyron - Woah I almost lost track of time
2012-05-15 15:10:38 UTC - jordanbyron - But that isn't new ...
2012-05-15 15:11:06 UTC - seacreature - jordanbyron: my internal clock has just completely stopped functioning since Leo was born
2012-05-15 15:11:30 UTC - coreypurcell - seacreature: boy do I remeber those days
2012-05-15 15:11:34 UTC - jordanbyron - seacreature: I bet
2012-05-15 15:11:47 UTC - seacreature - a few days ago all he wanted to do was sleep. I miss thise days :-/
2012-05-15 15:12:04 UTC - danbernier - seacreature: i hear those phases go quickly, when they're that age
2012-05-15 15:12:30 UTC - seacreature - yeah, so I've heard as well. But I have friends and family with 1 yr olds still getting up several times a night.
2012-05-15 15:12:55 UTC - seacreature - anyway, this is where we just count our blessings about having flexible work schedules and help from Jia's parents
2012-05-15 15:12:58 UTC - danbernier - dude, I still get up several times a night! we're supposed to grow out of that?
2012-05-15 15:13:28 UTC - seacreature - danbernier: do you require other people to feed you and play with you?
2012-05-15 15:13:40 UTC - semmons99 - the first 3-6 months was the closest I've ever felt to living in a dream state
2012-05-15 15:13:46 UTC - danbernier - only on thursdays :)
2012-05-15 15:13:49 UTC - jordanbyron - seacreature: Hey now this is a family show
2012-05-15 15:14:36 UTC - seacreature - it's weird, I haven't been entirely unproductive, it's just that I feel like it's arbitrary when I end up in a lucid state vs. when I feel like a zombie
2012-05-15 15:14:45 UTC - jordanbyron - Speaking of family appropriateness, the new Tenacious D album was released today :)
2012-05-15 15:14:51 UTC - seacreature - omg.
2012-05-15 15:15:18 UTC - coreypurcell - I haven't listened to them in years
2012-05-15 15:16:25 UTC - seacreature - jordanbyron: where can I get it?
2012-05-15 15:16:30 UTC - jordanbyron - iTunes?
2012-05-15 15:16:38 UTC - jordanbyron - That's where I bought it
2012-05-15 15:17:09 UTC - danbernier - amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Rize-Of-The-Fenix-Tenacious/dp/B007D7H6IW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337094794&sr=8-1
2012-05-15 15:17:20 UTC - danbernier - i <3 how almost every title is "(Explicit Version)"
2012-05-15 15:17:45 UTC - danbernier - 11/13ths of them
2012-05-15 15:17:54 UTC - jordanbyron - danbernier: Funny part is that one of my favorite songs isn't explicit: To Be the Best
2012-05-15 15:18:20 UTC - danbernier - jordanbyron: :) how do you like it overall?
2012-05-15 15:19:02 UTC - seacreature - I feel like there should not be "clean versions" of songs
2012-05-15 15:19:31 UTC - seacreature - for example, I thought Cee Lo Green's "Fuck You" was a clever, catchy tune, but when you change it to "Forget You" it's just a boring pop song
2012-05-15 15:19:48 UTC - jordanbyron - It's good. Tenacious D is kinda like a fine wine. Their songs only get better with time. It's all about the little details
2012-05-15 15:20:09 UTC - seacreature - ahaha, I'd say Tenacious D is more like Night Train, or Thunderbird
2012-05-15 15:20:20 UTC - seacreature - you care less about how much it sucks the more you drink it
2012-05-15 15:20:32 UTC - danbernier - seacreature: "Fuck You" is the perfect example of that point
2012-05-15 15:20:38 UTC - jordanbyron - Oh no, you have to unwrap the layers of comedy
2012-05-15 15:20:46 UTC - jordanbyron - It's quite epic :p
2012-05-15 15:21:17 UTC - danbernier - seacreature: re Thunderbird, no way! The D are amazing rip-off artists
2012-05-15 15:21:27 UTC - danbernier - and i mean that with all respect
2012-05-15 15:22:35 UTC - seacreature - And thunderbird is an amazing way to get drunk for a dollar or two, if you can stand the headache :)
2012-05-15 15:22:56 UTC - danbernier - well, there is that
2012-05-15 15:23:33 UTC - seacreature - I googled it just now and found this quote "Avaliable in 750 mL and a devastating 50 oz jug.
2012-05-15 15:24:03 UTC - jordanbyron - So, has anyone purchased / played Diablo III? And a follow up: If so, were you able to login :p
2012-05-15 15:24:54 UTC - seacreature - " WARNING: This light yellow liquid turns your lips and mouth black! A mysterious chemical reaction similar to disappearing-reappearing ink makes you look like you've been chewing on hearty clumps of charcoal."
2012-05-15 15:25:21 UTC - semmons99 - jordanbyron: I've installed and logged into today
2012-05-15 15:25:26 UTC - semmons99 - was about 7a EDT
2012-05-15 15:25:32 UTC - seacreature - jordanbyron: This reddit post scared me off http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/tnvy9/diablo_3s_first_level_is_a_tough_one/
2012-05-15 15:25:36 UTC - semmons99 - played 30 min and went to work
2012-05-15 15:25:44 UTC - seacreature - also, the thought of what Diablo III will do to my parenting abilities...
2012-05-15 15:25:44 UTC - jordanbyron - seacreature: Yeah same here.
2012-05-15 15:26:35 UTC - jordanbyron - semmons99: Cool. I am sure the reports are blown out of proportion, but I'd be seriously POed if I bought a game then couldn't play it
2012-05-15 15:26:37 UTC - seacreature - and my stewardship of new mendicant abilities
2012-05-15 15:29:13 UTC - jordanbyron - Just incase some of you missed it, we have a list of Mendicant Gamers which you can add yourself to: https://github.com/mendicant/mendicantuniversity.org/wiki/Mendicant-Gamers
2012-05-15 15:30:07 UTC - seacreature - We should probably throw the Minecraft server info on that page
2012-05-15 15:30:16 UTC - jordanbyron - I don't think that's up anymore
2012-05-15 15:30:43 UTC - seacreature - Drat!
2012-05-15 15:30:49 UTC - jordanbyron - Yeah no dice
2012-05-15 15:30:52 UTC - seacreature - I miss Gregory Parkhurst
2012-05-15 15:30:59 UTC - jordanbyron - He is a busy boy now
2012-05-15 15:31:01 UTC - seacreature - his new job seems to have swallowed him :-/
2012-05-15 15:31:31 UTC - seacreature - not an uncommon theme around here.
2012-05-15 15:31:33 UTC - jordanbyron - He popped out of the wood work to wrap up a pull request on Mission of Mercy, but I haven't seen him since :(
2012-05-15 15:33:03 UTC - seacreature - I really want to work on this problem, if only philisophically by doing some writing about it
2012-05-15 15:33:52 UTC - seacreature - To me it seems incredible that people will give virtually all of their good energy to their occupations
2012-05-15 15:34:13 UTC - seacreature - maybe this a bleak topic for our social hour though :)
2012-05-15 15:34:54 UTC - danbernier - seacreature: what were we talking about? i was working for a sec
2012-05-15 15:34:56 UTC - danbernier - ;-)
2012-05-15 15:36:06 UTC - danbernier - fun fact: i changed my desks (at home & in-office) to standing
2012-05-15 15:36:36 UTC - danbernier - dual screen, using the laptop kbd & screen at hand-height, and second monitor above it
2012-05-15 15:36:58 UTC - semmons99 - I don't know if I have the resolve to actually try a standing desk
2012-05-15 15:37:02 UTC - danbernier - it dramatically reduced my need for coffee
2012-05-15 15:37:04 UTC - seacreature - Oh, I've gone back and forth with standing desks. I really like it
2012-05-15 15:37:32 UTC - seacreature - BUT it is incredibly easy to get out of the habit
2012-05-15 15:37:33 UTC - danbernier - semmons99: i was playing with ideas for a simple stand, something you can (dis)assemble easily - so you can switch
2012-05-15 15:37:47 UTC - danbernier - seacreature: it IS tiring
2012-05-15 15:38:21 UTC - danbernier - and i'll sometimes sit for a bit - but so far, so good
2012-05-15 15:40:32 UTC - seacreature - One thing I liked about a standing position is it encouraged me to walk away from the desk more
2012-05-15 15:40:43 UTC - seacreature - especially with wireless headphones
2012-05-15 15:40:51 UTC - danbernier - yes! when i'm thinking
2012-05-15 15:41:13 UTC - semmons99 - wireless headphones. I've never had any. How well do they work
2012-05-15 15:41:20 UTC - danbernier - i find it comfier to think while walking
2012-05-15 15:44:17 UTC - seacreature - semmons99: honestly, not that great of a sound on mine
2012-05-15 15:44:22 UTC - seacreature - but they have insane distance
2012-05-15 15:44:40 UTC - seacreature - I use them when mowing the lawn
2012-05-15 15:45:06 UTC - seacreature - They would be fine, except that you always hear some radio static, which drives me insane
2012-05-15 15:45:39 UTC - semmons99 - I've always used Sennheiser HD-280's http://amzn.com/B000065BPB
2012-05-15 15:45:40 UTC - seacreature - But it depends on the kind of music I am listening to. Some kinds of music drown it right out, but I pretty much can't listen to soft piano music on it.
2012-05-15 15:45:53 UTC - semmons99 - it would be nice to not have the cord, but I can't deal with static or delay
2012-05-15 15:46:27 UTC - seacreature - my headset is sennheiser hdr 120
2012-05-15 15:46:50 UTC - seacreature - Åwhen I bought them I was actually thinking of getting Grado
2012-05-15 15:47:23 UTC - seacreature - but I couldn't justify the extreme expense and discomfort :)
2012-05-15 15:48:23 UTC - semmons99 - yeah, I looked at Beats at one point, but they were a little out of budget
2012-05-15 15:48:38 UTC - seacreature - I just see that as being a slippery slope
2012-05-15 15:49:32 UTC - seacreature - I try to live simply but not spare expense on the things I do use a lot, but when I was looking into headphones it just looked like the price ramp up was very steep to get any noticeable quality difference
2012-05-15 15:50:03 UTC - coreypurcell - http://amzn.com/B003DQ1DCM has been on my wishlist awhile
2012-05-15 15:50:26 UTC - coreypurcell - that way I could use my normal headphones
2012-05-15 15:50:34 UTC - seacreature - Interesting.
2012-05-15 15:51:18 UTC - seacreature - I am kind of afraid of putting bluetooth enabled devices right next to my head though
2012-05-15 15:51:46 UTC - coreypurcell - you could put it anywhere that your headphone cord can reach
2012-05-15 15:52:00 UTC - seacreature - Not sure what the research says on it at this point, but given that it's designed to penetrate concrete, well...
2012-05-15 15:52:35 UTC - seacreature - but it's pretty arbitrary FUD on my end :)
2012-05-15 15:52:43 UTC - seacreature - I guess I could carry my radiation baby around
2012-05-15 15:53:17 UTC - coreypurcell - doesn't bluetooth work in the 2.4 Ghz range, same as wifi
2012-05-15 15:53:43 UTC - seacreature - http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/mendicant.vanillaforums.com/userpics/747/p86VKG3IT46GU.jpeg
2012-05-15 15:54:22 UTC - semmons99 - coreypurcell: yes, bluetooth is the same freq range
2012-05-15 15:55:53 UTC - seacreature - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Health_concerns looks like so, yeah
2012-05-15 15:56:19 UTC - seacreature - I am torn about this stuff... on the one hand I tend not to get worked up about things that don't have well established evidence
2012-05-15 15:57:20 UTC - seacreature - on the other hand, conceptually I still feel uneasy with the idea that we're being bathed in electromagnetic radiation continuously
2012-05-15 15:57:42 UTC - coreypurcell - light is electromagnetic radiation too
2012-05-15 15:57:55 UTC - seacreature - sure, but light has been around for a while :)
2012-05-15 15:57:58 UTC - semmons99 - be more worried about the sun, the uv is way worse than anything from us
2012-05-15 15:58:14 UTC - jordanbyron - THE ALIENS ARE READING YOUR BRAIN WAVES!!!
2012-05-15 15:58:28 UTC - seacreature - i don't think that it's a single-dimensional argument
2012-05-15 15:58:31 UTC - coreypurcell - I feel anything lower energy than visible light, probably not worth worrying too much about
2012-05-15 15:59:27 UTC - seacreature - I think my argument is much more general though
2012-05-15 15:59:56 UTC - seacreature - it's that I think our ability to answer the question "is it safe?" is something we're kind of bad at
2012-05-15 16:00:10 UTC - seacreature - this goes for any human created technology
2012-05-15 16:00:38 UTC - danbernier - and even stuff like "should i dive off that cliff?"
2012-05-15 16:00:57 UTC - seacreature - Especially considering that the regulatory agencies and the research done into these things are often bought and paid for by companies who have a vested interest in protecting their products
2012-05-15 16:01:34 UTC - seacreature - ahahahaa
2012-05-15 16:01:44 UTC - seacreature - At least that one gives you immediate feedback :-P
2012-05-15 16:01:54 UTC - danbernier - good point :)
2012-05-15 16:02:12 UTC - coreypurcell - it's well proven that people are bad at risk assesment
2012-05-15 16:03:23 UTC - seacreature - I think what has happened is that we have an extremely technologically advanced society, yet our populations remain mostly scientifically illiterate.
2012-05-15 16:03:39 UTC - seacreature - This includes even those who you would expect would be well trained in thse things, like programmers. Like me :)
2012-05-15 16:04:23 UTC - seacreature - So I guess the general assumption I have is that when technological advancement outpaces our understanding, it's dangerous
2012-05-15 16:04:51 UTC - seacreature - but maybe that has been the human condition for most or all of recorded history :)
2012-05-15 16:05:06 UTC - coreypurcell - "our" the general population, or does "our" mean the experts in that field
2012-05-15 16:05:53 UTC - seacreature - coreypurcell: I don't think it makes a difference.
2012-05-15 16:06:13 UTC - seacreature - An ignorant general population cannot accurately determine who an "expert" is
2012-05-15 16:06:48 UTC - seacreature - If we get away from electromagnetic fields and turn towards say Ruby...
2012-05-15 16:06:58 UTC - seacreature - I can confess how I became an "expert Rubyist"
2012-05-15 16:07:22 UTC - seacreature - in 2004 I mistakenly assumed that spending six months with the language made me some sort of expert
2012-05-15 16:07:33 UTC - seacreature - I wrote a lot of code and a lot of blog posts, tutorials, etc.
2012-05-15 16:07:57 UTC - seacreature - and within a year or two, folks were gradually calling me an expert
2012-05-15 16:08:56 UTC - seacreature - That lead me to get involved with other community leaders, and while a few of them I felt came to where they were in a much more principled way
2012-05-15 16:09:14 UTC - seacreature - most of them did pretty much the same thing as I did to get where they were
2012-05-15 16:09:40 UTC - seacreature - then, I spent several years continuing to trick myself into believing I was some sort of expert
2012-05-15 16:09:51 UTC - seacreature - but the only people who could really vet me were other folks who came up in the same way that I did
2012-05-15 16:10:17 UTC - seacreature - it took maybe six months into running Mendicant for me to realize what a setback that false assumption was
2012-05-15 16:11:00 UTC - seacreature - when you move from blogging about the best way to do this or that to actually helping individual people solve real problems, you come to realize how much of your expertise is extremely narrow and context-dependent
2012-05-15 16:11:22 UTC - seacreature - sorry for the wild tangent, but I needed to provide the background to point out that I feel there are very few true experts in the world
2012-05-15 16:11:31 UTC - seacreature - and that the notion of expertise is dangerous and overrated :)
2012-05-15 16:12:36 UTC - coreypurcell - I'd agree in general, but I don't think we have a better system than the established sciences
2012-05-15 16:12:55 UTC - seacreature - I think science is a fine system, but it's garbage in, garbage out
2012-05-15 16:13:12 UTC - seacreature - So I'd advocate for greater scientific literacy
2012-05-15 16:13:21 UTC - seacreature - and in our narrow bubble, greater digital literacy
2012-05-15 16:13:44 UTC - seacreature - a general population who has even a little bit of critical ability would do quite a bit to force the system to become a whole lot better
2012-05-15 16:14:50 UTC - semmons99 - I think that's a key point, without an ability to think critically a society can't move forward
2012-05-15 16:16:06 UTC - seacreature - well, it just makes no difference whether scientific experts are replaced with magicians or priests if we don't take advantage of the fact that science can be viewed critically
2012-05-15 16:17:29 UTC - semmons99 - what's odd is the scientific process has built into it the need for people to question, reproduce and validate conclusions
2012-05-15 16:17:32 UTC - seacreature - there is a deeper lesson in here somewhere, but I feel bad taking us from Night Train and Tenacious D to this :-P
2012-05-15 16:18:04 UTC - seacreature - jordanbyron: do you have any funny pictures or youtube videos you can throw at us to lighten the mood?
2012-05-15 16:18:55 UTC - danbernier - :)
2012-05-15 16:19:03 UTC - semmons99 - here's Jordan's awesome forum avatar http://i.imgur.com/BC3PZ.jpg
2012-05-15 16:19:09 UTC - semmons99 - he had hair!
2012-05-15 16:19:37 UTC - seacreature - https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2216547958/68023-PH-021.jpg
2012-05-15 16:19:43 UTC - seacreature - I like this one even better
2012-05-15 16:20:17 UTC - semmons99 - wow, nice
2012-05-15 16:20:57 UTC - semmons99 - I glad no one has digitized pictures from my youth
2012-05-15 16:21:09 UTC - sean_m - Yet
2012-05-15 16:21:26 UTC - seacreature - we're gonna hack you semmons99!!!
2012-05-15 16:21:57 UTC - semmons99 - if by hack you mean break into my parents house and scan 30 year old photo albums...okay
2012-05-15 16:21:58 UTC - seacreature - sean_m is on a mission to steal all your baby pictures
2012-05-15 16:22:07 UTC - seacreature - That's still hacking bro.
2012-05-15 16:22:22 UTC - coreypurcell - anyone who comes in town for Steel City Ruby conf can continue the science discussion over beer :)
2012-05-15 16:22:49 UTC - seacreature - coreypurcell: really wish I could go. But I decided to stay true to my plan to stay grounded for a year.
2012-05-15 16:23:02 UTC - seacreature - I even turned down a Foo camp invite!
2012-05-15 16:23:23 UTC - sean_m - I think there is probably a classier way to do it... Call up his parents, tell them you are putting together a celebration for him and ask them for pictures.
2012-05-15 16:23:26 UTC - semmons99 - seacreature: so you did turn it down
2012-05-15 16:23:43 UTC - coreypurcell - yeah, it's my first development conf ever
2012-05-15 16:23:46 UTC - seacreature - I really like that steel city is blogging about various things related to the kind of culture the conference aims to promote
2012-05-15 16:23:48 UTC - semmons99 - sean_m: except now I'm wish to your nefarious plans
2012-05-15 16:24:00 UTC - sean_m - hmmm
2012-05-15 16:24:02 UTC - semmons99 - wish=wise
2012-05-15 16:24:47 UTC - danbernier - seacreature: principles are great, but Foo camp? wow
2012-05-15 16:24:54 UTC - seacreature - semmons99: yes, I turned it down.
2012-05-15 16:25:04 UTC - danbernier - coreypurcell: steel city looks pretty amazing...
2012-05-15 16:25:52 UTC - sean_m - Where are most people staying at for Steel City?
2012-05-15 16:25:58 UTC - sean_m - Out of town people I mean.
2012-05-15 16:28:27 UTC - coreypurcell - I think most are staying at the hampton inn
2012-05-15 16:28:43 UTC - coreypurcell - http://steelcityrubyconf.org/city has the info
2012-05-15 16:29:10 UTC - coreypurcell - I'll probably get a room, just so I don't have to drive home that night. I'm about 30 miles north of the city.
2012-05-15 16:33:01 UTC - sean_m - I'll bring beer for a discussion on the 2nd :)
2012-05-15 16:33:40 UTC - sean_m - Also, if anyone wants to come to conf.arlingtonruby.org let me know and I'll hook you up with a registration code.
2012-05-15 16:33:50 UTC - danbernier - going afk - see y'all later!
2012-05-15 16:34:20 UTC - seacreature - same here, nice talking to you all.
2012-05-15 16:34:27 UTC - seacreature - Hope to see you on Thursday for the hack day
2012-05-15 16:34:43 UTC - seacreature - http://mendicantuniversity.org/activities/2012/05/17/global-hack-day-4.html