[Sugestion] Donate to AppGet creator

[franciscop]

Donate to AppGet

It seems like WinGet gets many of the core ideas, file format, even code structure from AppGet, but the original developer of that library @kayone has been taken unfair advantage of (personally, not license-wise). Whether this has been intentionally or a breakdown of communication remains to be seen.

Microsoft claims to have changed and to be better, so my suggestion is to donate generously to the project creator and credit him appropriately. He is well welcomed in the Developer community and the way that Microsoft has handled this has made a large dent on some developer communities.

Source for the claim

Proposed technical implementation details (optional)

[@microsoft] ======= $$$ ======> [@kayone]

[EwoutH]

(My previous comment was a bit premature, sorry)

@aclinick Could you please explain your side of the story?

[MCOfficer]

I'd much rather wait for @kayone's opinion on this before starting a witch hunt on his behalf.

[jdonaldson]

I'm came here from a related hacker news post, I'd really like to hear Microsoft's side of the story on this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287

[tjerkw]

My god Microsoft, what we're you thinking? I thought microsoft was embracing opensource and becoming a company I could like again.

But this is just an utter nightmare for microsoft. Handling a nice project & opensource like this.

https://keivan.io/the-day-appget-died/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331287
https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/21272964/microsoft-winget-windows-package-manager-appget-copied

@kayone we support you!

[toinbis]

I'd much rather wait for @kayone's opinion on this before starting a witch hunt on his behalf.
He shared his story openly already. Community can demand answers as well on community behalf.

Moreover - this repository Readme says "This project welcomes contributions and suggestions." At the moment MSFT is inviting people to contribute to the project - MSFT acknowledges community as a participant of this project. So community has a perfect right to raise questions.

And to finish with sharing my opinion on the matter - I am sure there might be another part of the story - but at the moment MSFT, well, stole the car and invites everyone to come and fix it.

Multiple shady decisions, combined to one story which doesn't smell good at all. Am sure everyone understand that shady decisions, well, happen in life. But on some occassions like this - they get in a spotlight. That's when you stand up, apologize & pay the cash. Put the money where your mouth was for the last couple of years, dear MSFT.

[MCOfficer]

Community can demand answers as well on community behalf.

That's a fair point, with the important bit being the second half. The (original, kudos for cooling down) first comment, however, sounded very much like a personal thing.

Bottom line of my remark: The community is free (and right, imo) to demand things, but one should be careful not to seemingly demand things on Keivan's behalf. I'm sure there is more than one way to read his story, and we don't want to put words in his mouth. Also, please don't make this personal by calling out specific people.
(this is not specifically against your comment, just my 2 cents in the interest of civil discussion)

[evolvingfridge]

In short, I hope it will not result in firing developer(s) who just wrote software instead of person(s) who actually made such disgusting decisions.

[kayone]

Copying parts of my comment from appget/appget#70

At the end of the day, I just wanted us Windows users to have a great package manager like Homebrew or apt-get etc. And realistically there is a higher chance we'll have a more successful one (might not be necessary ideal) under Microsoft's name than AppGet.

Perfect is the enemy of good. I don't want to be the enemy of WinGet. I don't want people to get fired (some people have suggested), I just felt what happened was unfair and wanted to share my story with the few people I thought would read it. I don't want to ruin a product with the potential to do good, because of some personal vendetta.

As I said elsewhere, your feedback has been so far above and beyond what I had expected that I'm forever grateful.

❤️✌️

[kayone]

As @evolvingfridge said, let's keep in mind that there are probably many people involved in this project that had no idea what is happening and were just pouring their heart into their work and doing their best.

[franciscop]

I am suggesting (not demanding, no witch hunt) that Microsoft donates AND credits @kayone. Sorry if I voiced you in an unwanted way, since you are here please feel free to say if either of these two would be a bad idea in this context.

When I said "personally", I mean that @kayone has repeatedly expressed that his issue was on how Microsoft treated him, not on Microsoft copying AppGet itself. I also didn't mean personally about me, I'm totally uninvolved.

I think if there are involved people who are unaware, it's a good idea that they learn what is happening? I am definitely not asking for anyone to be punished, it seems that while the process was misshandled, the end result is very positive.