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Carts: Make rail recipes more generous #1669

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paramat commented Mar 28, 2017

As part of making vertical travel easier to reduce reliance on
sneak ladders.
Calculate using cubic pixels of steel.

A steelblock is 16^3 = 4096 cubic pixels steel.
6 ingots is 6/9 steelblocks.
A rail is a 2216 pixel length of steel, 64 cubic pixels steel.
6 ingots produces 2*21 rails = 21 rail nodes.
Choose 18 for an even number that is a multiple of ingot number.

Replace the stick with 2 wood in the recipe to be closer to the amount
of wood that would be needed for 20*4 sleepers.

Replace 2 mese crystal fragments with 1 mese crystal to
compensate for the larger number of nodes returned. The result
is the recipe is much more generous with steel usage but slightly
less generous with mese usage, keeping power rail cost reasonably high.

Replace 2 coal lumps with 1 for a similar recipe to power rails.
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S = steel ingot
W = group:wood
M = mese crystal
C = coal lump

Rail 18
SWS
S_S
SWS

Power rail 18
SWS
SMS
SWS

Brake rail 18
SWS
SCS
SWS

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C1ffisme commented Mar 28, 2017

I feel like crafting rails with an entire log is a little bit confusing. Maybe add steel rods instead? (That could have a use as another crafting item, maybe as an alternative to wooden sticks for extra long mining trips?)

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DS-Minetest commented Mar 28, 2017

Using steel rods instead of wooden sticks makes no sense, they would transfer vibrations.
But I agree that tree is not that nice, I would prefer wooden planks.

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C1ffisme commented Mar 28, 2017

@DS-Minetest I was talking about using sticks for the steel part, sorry for the confusion.

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SmallJoker commented Mar 28, 2017

I'm fine with the regular rails but the power and brake rails will be way too cheap. They're special and should be expensive.

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paramat commented Mar 28, 2017

Yes using 'wood' planks in the recipes would make more sense, it won't be volumetrically correct but i'm not too bothered about that, makes the recipe even more generous. Will do.

SmallJoker, problem is the more generous power rail is the idea. Did the original cart mod require continuous power rails? If not there is reason to make them more generous.

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paramat commented Mar 28, 2017

Perhaps the power rail recipe can use 1 mese crystal instead of 2 fragments?
But this makes it less generous in terms of mese.

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DS-Minetest commented Mar 29, 2017

What if the power rails would need 2 mese crystals and give not many rails but push the cart stronger?

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tenplus1 commented Apr 1, 2017

i feel that returning 12 rails from the recipe is more than enough, maybe having powered and break rails return 12 also would suffice.

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paramat commented Apr 1, 2017

I'm fine with the regular rails but the power and brake rails will be way too cheap. They're special and should be expensive.

Another issue is the same amount of steel returning a different number of rails for power and brake rails.

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paramat commented Apr 1, 2017

Updated.

S = steel ingot
W = group:wood
M = mese crystal
C = coal lump

Rail 20
S_S
SWS
S_S

Power rail 20
SMS
SWS
S_S

Brake rail 20
SCS
SWS
S_S

Choose 20 for an even number.

Replace the stick with wood in the recipe to be closer to the amount
of wood that would be needed for 20*4 sleepers.

Replace 2 mese crystal fragments with 1 mese crystal to
compensate for the larger number of nodes returned. The result
is the recipe is much more generous with steel usage but slightly
less generous with mese usage.

Replace 2 coal lumps with 1 for a similar recipe to power rails.

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tenplus1 commented Apr 1, 2017

It still seems far too many for such a simple craft, 12 feels better as it gives more of a challenge to collect ores and build your railway... Carts would get boring too quickly if it was easy.

S = steel ingot
T = group:stick
M = mese crystal
C = coal lump

Rail 12
STS
S_S
STS

Power rail 12
STS
SMS
STS

Brake rail 12
STS
SCS
STS

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paramat commented Apr 1, 2017

Going by steel volume 20 makes sense. Sticks make no sense here considering the amount of wood needed for all those sleepers. 2 wood would be better, i might update to this:

S = steel ingot
W = group:wood
M = mese crystal
C = coal lump

Rail 20
SWS
S_S
SWS

Power rail 20
SWS
SMS
SWS

Brake rail 20
SWS
SCS
SWS

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tenplus1 commented Apr 1, 2017

@paramat - better recipe's but still too many... how about 16 ? ... only joking, still 12 :P

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sofar commented Apr 4, 2017

tbh 18 is better than 20, since it's a multiple of 6 (the most expensive material in the recipe).

Carts: Make rail recipes more generous
As part of making vertical travel easier to reduce reliance on
sneak ladders.
Calculate using cubic pixels of steel.

A steelblock is 16^3 = 4096 cubic pixels steel.
6 ingots is 6/9 steelblocks.
A rail is a 2*2*16 pixel length of steel, 64 cubic pixels steel.
6 ingots produces 2*21 rails = 21 rail nodes.
Choose 18 for an even number that is a multiple of ingot number.

Replace the stick with 2 wood in the recipe to be closer to the amount
of wood that would be needed for 20*4 sleepers.

Replace 2 mese crystal fragments with 1 mese crystal to
compensate for the larger number of nodes returned. The result
is the recipe is much more generous with steel usage but slightly
less generous with mese usage, keeping power rail cost reasonably high.

Replace 2 coal lumps with 1 for a similar recipe to power rails.

@paramat paramat force-pushed the paramat:railrecipe branch from 20e5de8 to b927d97 Apr 11, 2017

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paramat commented Apr 11, 2017

Updated:

S = steel ingot
W = group:wood
M = mese crystal
C = coal lump

Rail 18
SWS
S_S
SWS

Power rail 18
SWS
SMS
SWS

Brake rail 18
SWS
SCS
SWS

18 as requested, and power rails remain expensive because a mese crystal is now required for 18 instead of 2 mese crystal fragments (2/9th of a mese crystal) for 8. So slightly less generous in terms of mese, more generous in terms of steel @SmallJoker is this ok fo you?
Wood is required twice to get closer to a reasonable amount (by pixel volume) for so many sleepers.

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