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Transitive/intransitive buddies #492

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mikemorr opened this Issue May 4, 2015 · 11 comments

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mikemorr commented May 4, 2015

I just noticed the antonym support (#480), very cool! It made me think of another feature that would also be cool: transitive and intransitive buddy verbs, as are shown by Tagaini Jisho. For example, if you look up "hajimaru", it will have a link from there to the related verb "hajimeru", and vice versa.

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Nice idea! Is there any list of pairs of intransitive buddies? Or is it possible to somehow find the intransitive buddy automatically from the verb? I'm asking because this information is not available in JMDict I believe, so there must be some another way for Tagaini Jisho to look up these intransitive buddies...

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mvysny commented May 4, 2015

Nice idea! Is there any list of pairs of intransitive buddies? Or is it possible to somehow find the intransitive buddy automatically from the verb? I'm asking because this information is not available in JMDict I believe, so there must be some another way for Tagaini Jisho to look up these intransitive buddies...

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I'm curious about that myself. I don't know where the Tagaini team get their list from.

mikemorr commented May 4, 2015

I'm curious about that myself. I don't know where the Tagaini team get their list from.

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I'm currently occupied with other things; would you please spare some time and ask the Tagaini guys where they got this list? :)

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mvysny commented May 4, 2015

I'm currently occupied with other things; would you please spare some time and ask the Tagaini guys where they got this list? :)

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Thanks! It seems that the info is present in JMDict after all, I must have missed it somehow. Please let me look at JMDict one more time ;)

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mvysny commented May 5, 2015

Thanks! It seems that the info is present in JMDict after all, I must have missed it somehow. Please let me look at JMDict one more time ;)

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mikemorr May 6, 2015

Actually I think they might be searching for buddy verbs using some of this code: https://github.com/Gnurou/tagainijisho/blob/master/src/gui/jmdict/JMdictEntryFormatter.cc

mikemorr commented May 6, 2015

Actually I think they might be searching for buddy verbs using some of this code: https://github.com/Gnurou/tagainijisho/blob/master/src/gui/jmdict/JMdictEntryFormatter.cc

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Thanks! The algorithm is as follows: take a substring of first writing which ends with a kanji, and an appropriate reading. Now, search for all verbs whose writing starts with given substring and the reading also starts with given reading substring. I have created a very similar algorithm (albeit with a lot more hacks) for matching B-Words in Tatoeba sentences, but I haven't thought of using the algorithm for finding the buddy verbs...
I'll play with this algorithm a bit and I'll post more.

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mvysny commented May 6, 2015

Thanks! The algorithm is as follows: take a substring of first writing which ends with a kanji, and an appropriate reading. Now, search for all verbs whose writing starts with given substring and the reading also starts with given reading substring. I have created a very similar algorithm (albeit with a lot more hacks) for matching B-Words in Tatoeba sentences, but I haven't thought of using the algorithm for finding the buddy verbs...
I'll play with this algorithm a bit and I'll post more.

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mikemorr May 6, 2015

Their algorithm doesn't catch everything; for example, I would say 出る (deru) and 出す (dasu) should be linked.

mikemorr commented May 6, 2015

Their algorithm doesn't catch everything; for example, I would say 出る (deru) and 出す (dasu) should be linked.

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Thanks for the 出る (deru) and 出す (dasu), I should thus only match kanji form.

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mvysny commented May 6, 2015

Thanks for the 出る (deru) and 出す (dasu), I should thus only match kanji form.

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Implemented in Aedict 3.19

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mvysny commented May 13, 2015

Implemented in Aedict 3.19

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