Integrating Neomacs into my CLOG-powered desktop

[mmontone]

Hi, I'm trying to integrate Neomacs buffers into my CLOG-powered desktop environment.

Here's a demo. Hope you like it.

mold-desktop-neomacs.mp4

Now I have another reason to try to improve Neomacs. Improvements to Neomacs will translate to improvements to my desktop environment :)

[kchanqvq]

That's super cool!!!

It looks like you managed to embed Neomacs buffer inside a browser without the Electron stuff? I recall Electron-related code is sprinkled here and there (basically every (evaluate-javascript ... :global)). Impressive work on extracting a part which can run independent of those, if that's the case! I guess the window management part has to be stripped away as well?

Besides, how do you feel about the feasibility of the other direction? i.e. run CLOG and your desktop inside Neomacs ;). I guess you would want floating window management and a more intuitive and mouse-friendly UI with buttons and menus, which is not there yet but I can think about adding... Just an idea!

[mmontone]

That's super cool!!!

Thanks! :)

It looks like you managed to embed Neomacs buffer inside a browser without the Electron stuff? I recall Electron-related code is sprinkled here and there (basically every (evaluate-javascript ... :global)). Impressive work on extracting a part which can run independent of those, if that's the case! I guess the window management part has to be stripped away as well?

Yes, like that, exactly. I redirect the websocket evaluation to CLOG's. And had to strip Electron, window management, how styles are applied, etc. Not everything is working yet.

This is my fork: https://bitbucket.org/mmontone/neomacs-js
This is the reification of the websockets connection, so I can plug another type of connection object: https://bitbucket.org/mmontone/neomacs-js/src/master/src/connection.lisp
This is the plug to CLOG: https://codeberg.org/mmontone/mold-desktop/src/commit/288b2a9d3dbde3ee7419ff9572aa71909cc0abdd/neomacs.lisp#L160

Besides, how do you feel about the feasibility of the other direction? i.e. run CLOG and your desktop inside Neomacs ;). I guess you would want floating window management and a more intuitive and mouse-friendly UI with buttons and menus, which is not there yet but I can think about adding... Just an idea!

That's an interesting idea .. I would do it at CLOG's level, not involving my desktop. Then you would have a way of embedding interactive (CLOG) components into Neomacs buffers. I think it would be similar to what I did, redirect the Neomacs websocket messages to CLOG message handler.

[BooAA]

I just discovered neomacs and mold desktop. It's so amazing that now we have modern web-based lisp environment. I'm currently using EXWM and the most annoying thing is I need to use chrome/firefox instead of the built-in xwidget-webkit, which has been broken for a long time on Linux.

Hopefully the neomacs and mold desktop project can share the code base so in the future there is all the way down lisp desktop environment as X11/wayland session. I just play around with neomacs today and it's pretty usable to me (web browser, terminal, text editor). To make it a full DE, what I'm looking is only some neat utility like:

• bluetooth connection (EXWM alternative: bluetooth-mode)
• wifi connection (EXWM alternative: enwc)
• audio control (EXWM alternative: pulseaudio-control)
• desktop notification (EXWM alternative: ednc)

Not sure if I can find similar alternative in mold so we can combine them to make lisp DE dream come true, but it's already impressive and thanks for all the work on making the Lisp journey colorful.

[mmontone]

About the Mold desktop part:

The project is not ready for everyday use yet.
Good news is that if you can find a library that does what you need in Common Lisp, then it would not be difficult to integrate into the desktop environment.
I've looked at https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield for Wayland/X11, but haven't been able to run it properly. Making the desktop run in a Wayland session and manage Linux applications would be a big step for the project.

[Mr-Dispatch]

I have one issue with this. The following CLOG issue I filed: rabbibotton/clog#416

In other words: Thank you for this wonderful idea, and for working on it.

Godspeed.

[mmontone]

You should be able to build via qlot. https://codeberg.org/mmontone/mold-desktop/src/commit/5ab15091c950c3621aa37872832232c35d1e7ac6/qlfile#L5 Please open issue in Codeberg if it is not working. El jue, 13 de feb de 2025, 22:49, Mr-Dispatch ***@***.***> escribió:

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