From b212b9b44b52a5cb9f030da2dae42b76b1252070 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Josh Gavant Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 08:16:43 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] doc: add CTC meeting minutes 2016-09-07 PR-URL: https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8499 Reviewed-By: Rich Trott Reviewed-By: James M Snell --- doc/ctc-meetings/2016-09-07.md | 245 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 245 insertions(+) create mode 100644 doc/ctc-meetings/2016-09-07.md diff --git a/doc/ctc-meetings/2016-09-07.md b/doc/ctc-meetings/2016-09-07.md new file mode 100644 index 00000000000000..15dfffcb1fe30f --- /dev/null +++ b/doc/ctc-meetings/2016-09-07.md @@ -0,0 +1,245 @@ +# Node Foundation CTC Meeting 2016-09-07 + +## Links + +* **Audio Recording**: TBP +* **GitHub Issue**: [#8425](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8425) +* **Minutes Google Doc**: +* _Previous Minutes Google Doc_: + +## Present + +* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC) +* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) +* Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC) +* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) +* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) +* Tracy Hinds @hackygolucky (observer/Node.js Foundation) +* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) +* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) +* Julien Gilli @misterdjules (CTC) +* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) +* Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC) +* Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google) +* Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU) +* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC) +* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC) +* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) + +## Standup + +* Anna Henningsen @addaleax (CTC) + * Issues & PR review +* Bradley Meck @bmeck (observer/GoDaddy/TC39) + * Just emails around modules +* Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (CTC) + * Some private ecosystem things +* Evan Lucas @evanlucas (CTC) + * opened PR for adding back --harmony-proxies flag, not much else +* Jeremiah Senkpiel @Fishrock123 (CTC) + * Working on v6.6.0 + * issue & PRs, Async_Wrap review, some Timers PRs. +* Fedor Indutny @indutny (CTC) + * Reviewing PRs & Fixing bugs (sorry for not joining you today) +* Josh Gavant @joshgav (observer/Microsoft) + * Issues and PRs +* Michael Dawson @mhdawson (CTC) + * Investigating and PRs to move AIX to green in CI + * Migration to new set of PPC machines + * Addition of linuxOne to nightlies + * Moved API work to nodejs/abi-stable-nodenodejs/abi-stable-node-addons-examples + * presentations for Node Interactive EU +* Brian White @mscdex (CTC) + * Worked on finding improvements in http code + * Commented on issues, reviewed PRs +* Ali Ijaz Sheikh @ofrobots (CTC) + * Wrangle some V8 backports. + * Looking at performance w/ new ignition interpreter +* Rod Vagg @rvagg (CTC) + * Raspberry Pi cluster hardware problems, blog post +* Seth Thompson @s3ththompson (observer/Google) + * V8 team working on Ignition interpreter and V8 Inspector migration +* Steven R Loomis @srl295 (observer/IBM/ICU) + * PRs. +* Myles Borins @TheAlphaNerd (CTC) + * Auditing commits for v4.x + * Modifying output of testrunner + * preparing for interactive EU +* Trevor Norris @trevnorris (CTC) + * AsyncHook (formerly known as AsyncWrap); update embedder API to improve performance +* Rich Trott @Trott (CTC) + * Backporting a few small commits to v4.x + * Updating Build and Onboarding docs based on contributor mentoring and onboarding activities + * A few test PRs designed to increase test coverage + + +## Agenda + +Extracted from **ctc-agenda** labelled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. + +### nodejs/node + +* src: add no-op for --harmony-proxies flag [#8395](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8395) + +### nodejs/node-eps + +* AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) + + +## Previous Meeting Review + +* Process for determining supported platforms [#8265](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/8265) + * Build WG will prepare initial list of supported platforms in their next meeting. + * Then CTC will review and decide next steps. + +* child_process, win: fix shell spawn with AutoRun [#8063](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8063) + * Remove from CTC agenda. + * @joshgav to check for opinions within Microsoft. + * Ask @joaocgreis in GitHub for more explanation. + +* fs: undeprecate existsSync; use access instead of stat for performance [#7455](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/7455) + * @trott to ping nodejs/collaborators in that thread. If no response then [fix]. + +* doc: add Google Analytics tracking. [#6601](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/6601) + * Merge! + +* Introduce staging branch for stable release streams [#6306](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/6306) + * Do this as proposed. + +* Move ecosystem detection tool to nodejs org [#7935](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/7935) + * Prep repo for migration. + * Open issue in nodejs/tsc. + +* AsyncWrap public API proposal [#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) + * Trevor to update all code and ask for vote on specific item(s). + * CTC to review again once complete. + + +## Minutes + +### src: add no-op for --harmony-proxies flag [#8395](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/8395) + +We upgraded to V8 5.1 in v6.5. That removed several flags, notably the --harmony-* flags. Many in the ecosystem have hard-coded these flags and as a result are getting errors since v6.5. + +@evanlucas added a PR to no-op those flags. There was quite a bit of resistance to that, as it implies that we apply semver semantics to experimental features. + +@addaleax: Does anyone have concrete reason to not no-op these flags? + +@trott: For clarity, do we mean to no-op them till the next semver-major release? + +@addaleax: Yes. + +@Fishrock123: This would only ever land in v6. + +@evanlucas: Some feel this should be floated on V8. + +@trevnorris: Could they? + +@ofrobots: Trivial to do it, but this is on 5.1 which is an abandoned upstream. + +@trevnorris: We were told we could re-open abandoned branches? + +@ofrobots: That’s correct. + +@? : Were the flags removed because their behavior is V8's default? + +@ofrobots: Yes, support was already there but flags had not yet been removed. + +@? : Other flags were removed too. + +@addaleax: Main issue is the --harmony flags, I haven’t seen the other flags as issues. + +@ofrobots: I’m supportive of adding no-ops for --harmony flags cause they break the ecosystem. Others no. + +@Fishrock123: What about strong mode flags? + +@ofrobots: Mainstream users are not likely to be using strong mode flags. + +@ofrobots: The ones recommended as no-ops I agree should be added back as no-ops. + +@rvagg: We can adopt a new policy if we want, for example state that when we upgrade V8 flags may change and you have to do feature detection to address that. + +@addaleax: Seems to be that’s what some people want in comments, but it seems that it might not be what people expect. + +@rvagg: Many flags unlikely to be used in real code, but some may be used in production code. Ones that are potentially usable in production code, sure. + +@trevnorris: Let’s re-add the no-ops and see if people raise issues about the others. +It would be more pure to backport in V8, but I don’t see why floating it in Node would be an issue. + +@addaleax: @bnoordhuis was strongly -1 on floating a patch on V8, but didn’t give a reason. + +@misterdjules: what do we mean by floating a patch? + +@trevnorris: we don’t even have to let these through to V8, just catch it ourselves. + +@Fishrock123: That would be harder. + +@ChALkeR: perhaps warn in runtime on unsupported flags for next major? + +@rvagg: Colin and Ben had negative positions. +Is proposal to ask Ali to move forward in V8? + +@addaleax: Not expecting a definite decision, hoping to hear from people who are -1. Would be happy if someone put together a PR with all the flags we want to no-op and discuss in next meeting if necessary. + +@trev: How long to get a patch on the V8 branch? + +@ofrobots: Probably not too long, dependent on me finding a half hour. +This will be a patch we float on our downstream of V8 5.1. We are the de facto owners of this branch now. + +@rvagg: Open a PR, move discussion there, people with negatives can expand on them there. + +**Next steps**: + +* @ofrobots to float a patch on our branch of V8 5.1 and open a PR. Discussion to continue there. +* Keep on agenda for next week just in case. + + +### AsyncWrap public API proposal [node-eps#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18) + +@trevnorris: EP is near 100% ready, only thing likely to change is the native C++ API but after doing testing and implementation it’s where it needs to be for all of the goals set for it. + +@rvagg: We need to sign off on the EP. Can’t do that today, right? + +@trevnorris: No, but EP is there. I’ve updated it with code, examples, stuff like that. + +@rvagg: Will there be changes in node-eps#18 between now and next week? + +@trevnorris: No, unless some major change comes in. + +@trevnorris: No docs yet, Bradley has volunteered. + +@rvagg: There will eventually be a discussion of backporting to V4. + +@trevnorris: Discussion continues on promise side. + +@rvagg: cause we don’t have insight into the microtask queue? + +@trevnorris: Yes. It’s proceeding. + +@seththompson: V8 team is interested in helping with this. Looks like async/await won’t make cut for v7, gives us more time to work on the right thing here. + +**Next steps**: + +* Everyone read [node-eps#18](https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/pull/18). +* Vote next week on Node-EP. +* Open a PR for implementation in nodejs/node. + + +### Modules + +@bmeck: There were several concerns about the rewritten EP for ES6 module compat. Note that we haven’t merged that yet, people are welcome to comment in that issue. + +@rvagg: Those who are concerned should definitely get in touch with Bradley (@bmeck). + + +## Q/A on public channels + +* Thanks for the heads-up on async/await. + + +## Upcoming Meetings + +* CTC: 2016-09-14 +* TSC: 2016-09-08 +* Benchmarking: [Benchmarking#56](https://github.com/nodejs/benchmarking/issues/56) +* Build: 2016-09-20