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International Phonetic Alphabet #2922

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nvaccessAuto opened this issue Jan 11, 2013 · 11 comments
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International Phonetic Alphabet #2922

nvaccessAuto opened this issue Jan 11, 2013 · 11 comments

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@nvaccessAuto nvaccessAuto commented Jan 11, 2013

Reported by pigsonthewing on 2013-01-11 13:08
Please add support for transcriptions of the pronunciation of words, using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) - you can see examples in the opening line of many Wikipedia articles; for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading,_Berkshire

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@nvaccessAuto nvaccessAuto commented Jan 11, 2013

Comment 1 by briang1 on 2013-01-11 20:04
Well I've obviously led a shelteredlife, as I'd never heard of this one. Is this more specialised than most people might use though?

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@nvaccessAuto nvaccessAuto commented Jan 11, 2013

Comment 2 by jteh on 2013-01-11 22:32
This needs to be done in individual speech synthesisers. NVDA can't do this itself.

If you're talking about eSpeak, there might be a chance to consider this. Otherwise, contact the developer of your speech synthesiser.

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@nvaccessAuto nvaccessAuto commented Jan 12, 2013

Comment 3 by pigsonthewing (in reply to comment 1) on 2013-01-12 00:45
Replying to briang1:

Well I've obviously led a shelteredlife, as I'd never heard of this one. Is this more specialised than most people might use though?

Depending on sources, Wikipedia is the 5th or 6th most visited website on the Internet. Its IPA help page alone is visited between 20-40,000 times /per day/: http://stats.grok.se/en/latest30/Help:IPA_for_English And Wikipedia is not the only site using IPA.

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@dineshkaushal dineshkaushal commented May 30, 2017

I have also received a feature requirement for IPA from a linguist, and many dictionaries also seem to use IPA to indicate pronunciation.

Synthesiser may not be able to provide IPA sounds as IPA symbols use greek, latin and other symbols that are also used for other purposes so context switching is needed in order to read IPA. For example, symbol β read as beta by ellequence and s set by eSpeak. This symbol should be read as va sound for IPA.

How about an addon which could turn on or off IPA mode as and when required so that users could navigate character by character with IPA mode on and symbols would be read as such.

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@bhavyashah bhavyashah commented Aug 3, 2017

Does anyone have any thoughts/inputs for this ticket, particularly in response to #2922 (comment)?

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@Qchristensen Qchristensen commented Oct 30, 2018

For anyone looking at this issue, a user who also requested this recently provided the following links:
https://www.internationalphoneticassociation.org/content/ipa-chart (Official page)

https://linguistics.ucla.edu/people/keating/IPA/IPA_charts_2018.html (The "List of symbols and diacritics with descriptions & identifiers: PDF (plain)" file linked to on this page has more detailed pronunciation).

My understanding from the user is that these symbols should be pronounced the same way all the time so a solution which enables turning pronunciation on and off may not be required over one which simply ensures the correct pronunciation is always used.

My thought then was that one solution could be if reading text with the β character for instance, that it should be pronounced as it is designed to be (the va sound according to the previous comment), and if spelt phonetically, then should be described as "Beta".

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@enessaribas enessaribas commented Mar 3, 2019

Are there plans to add support for this? I am the user who found the links, and with the full pronunciation, unicode values and character names, adding this into the symbols dic should be very easy.

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@Adriani90 Adriani90 commented Mar 14, 2019

I can imagine that this is quite har to implement in all languages. What would be the benefit of this for an user? Cjould someone describe some use cases?

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@Adriani90 Adriani90 commented Mar 14, 2019

For example, this symbol which is used as an example in this issue is used very often in german in many words instead of ss and is pronounced exactly like a double s in a word. But when navigating letter by letter, the symbol is pronounced sz which is in line with the german gramar.

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@CyrilleB79 CyrilleB79 commented Sep 10, 2020

Replying here to @DavidBitSource request in #11585 :
Pleas specify clearly your need:

  • voice feedback: please specify what you expect:
    • do you need to have IPA character names pronounced correctly?
    • do you need to have IPA written word spoken according to IPA notation by the synthesis?
    • or both?
    • what do you expect for each IPA character name? Is it something language specific or not?
  • braille feedback: You suggest X-SAMPA notations. Please specify (or give examples) what is missing in braille IPA representation that is present in X-SAMPA notations.

I had thought to create an add-on to support such capability, at least the voice part, since I do not use regularly braille and do not know so much about braille IPA (even if I know that it exists). But this seems to be a big work and I do not think I will have time to dedicate to it so soon.

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@DavidBitSource DavidBitSource commented Sep 10, 2020

the IPA chart describes place of articulation and manner of articulation, diacritics specify details.
I need the symbols named, according to the table and its markers. The chart doesn't say "b", it gives you a voiced bilabial plosive, diacritics can modify this further, as it appears on the chart.
I do not need a morph pronounced, since I do not want to study a certain speaker, which would be the synthesizer engine in this case.
This is definitely not language specific, it is a matter of phonetics.
There are several braille notation approaches, but they also lack features, e.g. diacritics or parts of the IPA itself. This makes it impossible to use this for a thesis or academic research.

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