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Meetings Project Meeting 2009 07 04 Transcript
11:01 <@henare> order, order 11:01 * NathanaelB is back 11:01 <@NathanaelB> ok what are we doing? 11:01 <@henare> this meeting will now come to order 11:01 <@NathanaelB> Skype? Or do I have to dial that 1800 number? 11:01 <@henare> dial the 1800 11:02 * NathanaelB wanders off to find his mobile phone 11:02 <@NathanaelB> no landline ... 11:03 <@NathanaelB> doo de do 11:03 <@henare> neither 11:03 <@henare> ;( 11:03 <@robman> yah - we only have naked dsl - so mobile's all round here 11:03 <@henare> +1 11:03 <@NathanaelB> oops entered HOST code 11:03 <@mlandauer> Nat and Rob .... 11:04 <@mlandauer> Rob are you joining us 11:04 <@robman> i'm in 11:04 <@henare> https://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcgrsm8r_33grq252ft&hl=en 11:04 <@mlandauer> I'll make myself heard over IRC 11:04 <@henare> k 11:04 <@NathanaelB> tnx 11:05 <@robman> i'm better in ascii anyways 8) 11:05 <@NathanaelB> AAAARRRR 11:05 <@katska_> ok I havent done that before - will be a little strange some text some voice ... 11:05 <@NathanaelB> WTF IS THIS DOC 11:06 < sarah_stokely> i don't feel very efficient, i'm having to flick between tabs to see IRC and the meeting agenda in google doc. and i'm trying to cradle the phone on my shoulder while i type LOL 11:06 < sarah_stokely> there must be a better way. :) 11:06 <@robman> sarah - you need a bigger window 11:06 <@katska_> I'm personally waiting for wave .... 11:06 * robman waves 11:06 <@henare> lol 11:06 <@henare> nice 11:06 <@katska_> *wave* 11:07 <@NathanaelB> got the doc 11:07 <@robman> so what's the normal format - full meeting protocol? 11:07 <@NathanaelB> ??? 11:07 <@NathanaelB> lol 11:10 <@NathanaelB> Sarah's phone is dying already 11:10 <@henare> ;( 11:10 <@robman> love that beep though 11:10 <@robman> 8/ 11:10 <@henare> lots of swearing 11:10 <@robman> indeed 11:10 <@henare> almost like question time 11:12 <@NathanaelB> OMG THE BEEPING 11:12 <@robman> try multiple windows 8) 11:13 <@robman> i'm all multichannel 11:13 < sarah_stokely> /trying to figure out how to open a new window in chrome :D 11:13 <@robman> watching youtube and confcall and twitter and irc and email 11:14 <@NathanaelB> just dbl click on header 11:14 <@katska_> yay we all go text 11:14 < sarah_stokely> ok slightly happier now 11:14 <@NathanaelB> okay 11:14 <@robman> BEEEEEP 11:14 <@henare> lol 11:14 <@katska_> fuck twitter... only so many windows I can deal with 11:14 <@mlandauer> I can be here too now 11:14 <@henare> ok, next point then. Unexpected side effect 11:14 <@robman> i want my laptop to have 2 fold out panels on each side so I have 3 screens 11:14 <@henare> s 11:14 <@henare> Kat, can you update us? 11:15 <@katska_> throwing to Matthew ... 11:15 <@henare> cool 11:15 <@mlandauer> Unexpected side effects of hackfest? 11:16 * robman waits for the pretty graph 11:16 <@henare> yup, that's where we're up to in the agenda 11:16 * NathanaelB is adding numbers to agenda 11:16 * henare thinks it should be a *dynamic* graph! 11:16 <@mlandauer> Two newspaper articles (online only) 11:16 <@henare> good idea nat 11:16 <@mlandauer> Massive bump in traffic from the news.com.au article 11:16 <@robman> +1 dynamic graphs everywhere 11:16 <@henare> mlandauer: interesting 11:17 <@mlandauer> Lasted for a few days, but has probably resulted in a sustained increase in visitors of around 100 per day 11:17 < sarah_stokely> that is really impressive :) 11:17 <@NathanaelB> yeah happy with that 11:18 <@NathanaelB> increase in commenting? 11:18 <@NathanaelB> do we have pretty graphs for that? 11:18 <@mlandauer> The last month has been really good all round for publicity for the project 11:18 <@NathanaelB> yeah totally 11:18 <@mlandauer> Not just the articles - results of public sphere, renewed interest (greater interest) because of the Gov 2.0 task force etc... 11:19 * NathanaelB wanders off to put some music on ... so wierd in the silence now 11:19 * robman turns his techno back up 11:19 <@katska_> can we go back to point 1, Matthew? 11:19 <@katska_> an update from public sphere/gov 2.0 11:19 <@NathanaelB> yep pls 11:19 <@henare> before we finish that, any actions or lessons learnt? 11:20 <@mlandauer> Sarah & Henare weren't there. Everyone else was, right? 11:20 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:20 * henare attempts to look casual in his suit 11:20 < sarah_stokely> we probably need a calendar of upcoming events on the AO page to let people know when we're attending/speaking at events 11:20 < sarah_stokely> i mean, OA :/ 11:21 <@henare> sarah_stokely: already created a google calendar for OA 11:21 <@henare> is that a good idea? 11:21 <@robman> if there's new traffic going to the site - would it be good to pump up the "participate" sort of links 11:21 <@robman> join is just user really isn't it 11:21 < sarah_stokely> only if people use google calendar. :) want visitors to the site to see it :) 11:21 <@robman> can embed that 11:21 <@NathanaelB> we can embed 11:21 <@NathanaelB> like this: 11:21 <@henare> yea, you can make them public 11:21 <@NathanaelB> LOL 11:21 <@henare> and embed them 11:22 <@robman> snap all round 11:22 <@NathanaelB> http://www.pollenizer.com/ozitcal 11:22 <@katska_> ok - embed where? 11:22 <@robman> OA and maybe add a page and link in the header? 11:22 < sarah_stokely> i really don't want to have a conversation about web design and navigation on IRC. i think i would cry with frustration, sorry :( 11:22 <@NathanaelB> or like this http://tinyurl.com/nboehm-cal 11:23 <@NathanaelB> okay 11:23 <@NathanaelB> so there shall be a calendar 11:23 <@NathanaelB> and it shall be available to the public 11:23 <@henare> sarah_stokely: yeah, fair enough, let's not get into the details. someone take the action and run with it 11:23 <@NathanaelB> and it shall not require people to have Google accounts 11:23 <@mlandauer> Agreed 11:23 < sarah_stokely> and it will be good :) 11:23 <@henare> NathanaelB: nice 11:23 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:23 <@NathanaelB> did we just jump down to agenda item 16? 11:24 <@mlandauer> Kat do you want to jump in? 11:24 < sarah_stokely> *grin* 11:24 <@NathanaelB> or whatever 11:24 <@NathanaelB> ok 11:24 <@NathanaelB> who' 11:24 <@NathanaelB> 's actioning calendar? Was that Kat? 11:24 <@katska_> we were going to do an update from matthew 11:24 <@katska_> add the calendar to the google doc 11:24 <@robman> we should keep jumping back to point 0 too "yay" 11:24 <@mlandauer> Sould I continue? 11:25 < sarah_stokely> please :) 11:25 <@katska_> take the floor 11:25 * robman passes mlandauer the talking stick 11:25 <@mlandauer> Met lots of people 11:25 <@NathanaelB> it has been, as agenda item 20 11:26 <@mlandauer> Including Gruen, head of gov 2.0 task force. 11:26 <@mlandauer> Had a meeting with Lindsay Tanners gov 2.0 adviser 11:26 <@NathanaelB> oh nice 11:26 <@NathanaelB> I had lunch with Gruen on Wed 11:26 <@mlandauer> Excellent 11:26 <@NathanaelB> and we engaged with our DEEWR Task Force rep Glenn Archer yesterday 11:27 <@mlandauer> The following day spent a few hours with the parliamentary librarian, Roxanne Missingham (sp?) 11:27 <@NathanaelB> and I'll be pimping OA in my Gov 2.0 internal presentation to my branch including SES 1 poss band 2 on Tues *nailbiting* 11:27 <@mlandauer> She's very cool 11:27 <@katska_> (afk a sec) 11:27 <@mlandauer> Cool 11:28 <@mlandauer> We also had a meeting with Roxanne and Therese (I forget her last name) who's assistant secretary of content management (this is from memory) for DPS 11:28 <@henare> mlandauer: what opportunities are there? 11:28 <@mlandauer> Oppurtunities? 11:28 * NathanaelB will be leaving at 12pm at latest to get to hairdresses before they close 11:28 <@henare> re: parliamentary librarian. access to data? 11:28 <@mlandauer> Okay... 11:29 <@mlandauer> Roxanne is definitely on our side when it comes to open access to data 11:29 <@NathanaelB> she presented didn't she? #publicsphere 11:30 -!- mlandauer_ [i=792c7867@gateway/web/freenode/x-8329093f7085af47] has joined #openaustralia 11:30 < mlandauer_> I dropped out. I should be back now 11:30 <@robman> you guys have dsl again? 11:31 < mlandauer_> Yes, Thursday evening it finally got reconnected 11:31 <@robman> phew 11:31 -!- katska [i=792c7867@gateway/web/freenode/x-906c3644d7db284e] has joined #openaustralia 11:31 <@NathanaelB> wb 11:31 < katska> back 11:31 < mlandauer_> I spent a couple of hours yesterday on the phone going through the complaints procedure... 11:31 < mlandauer_> Oh much fun 11:32 -!- katska_ [i=792c4a41@gateway/web/freenode/x-31fec9f502b092b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 11:32 -!- mlandauer [i=792c4a41@gateway/web/freenode/x-417dd2547e8d8ba9] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 11:32 * robman sets up scripts to email the TIO on a regular basis 11:32 < mlandauer_> Anyway, I really feel like Kat said that we have received a "power up" in the last few weeks in no small part to public sphere 11:32 < mlandauer_> Any questions about that? 11:33 <@NathanaelB> narr 11:33 < katska> at least in terms of help .. I'd like to add, its awesome to get taskforce folks asking how they can help - eg with NT saying no to request 11:33 <@NathanaelB> are we going to include this stuff in the publicsphere briefing? 11:33 < katska> and getting updates on questions we had for Roxanne Missingham. Good follow up. 11:33 <@NathanaelB> ie the wiki 11:34 < katska> we should all at least be reviewing the publicsphere policy and encouraging others to do so. 11:35 <@robman> +1 11:35 < mlandauer_> Yes, good point @nat 11:35 < katska> can we move on to apps updates? 11:35 < katska> (11) 11:35 <@NathanaelB> wait up 11:35 <@henare> first 10? 11:35 <@NathanaelB> action item from publicsphere 11:35 <@NathanaelB> am nominating myself to review publicsphere wiki briefing and ensure we get to promote our requirements there 11:36 <@NathanaelB> accepted? 11:36 <@NathanaelB> Yes? 11:36 <@NathanaelB> excellent. 11:36 <@NathanaelB> NEXT! :) 11:36 <@henare> well done 11:36 < katska> :) 11:36 <@henare> item 10 11:36 <@henare> great idea. sarah, can you take the action? 11:37 < mlandauer_> On point 10 Henare wrote a blog post. 11:37 < sarah_stokely> Yes, although i wasn't at the hackfest :) i will draft something and run it by matthew and kat 11:37 <@henare> whoever take it will need input from others regarding any help they'd like to solicit in the email 11:37 < mlandauer_> It should fill that out? 11:37 <@henare> good plan 11:37 < sarah_stokely> ok will check out the blog post, thanks 11:37 < mlandauer_> Good ideas 11:37 <@henare> next! 11:37 <@henare> 11 11:37 < katska> 11 will also inform 10! 11:37 <@henare> who can update the house^W meeting on FMS 11:38 <@robman> 2 sides 11:38 <@robman> nat front 11:38 <@robman> me back 11:38 <@NathanaelB> house? 11:38 < mlandauer_> Sorry. you've lost me 11:38 <@robman> i think irc == house 11:38 <@NathanaelB> ok 11:38 < mlandauer_> Gotcha 11:38 < sarah_stokely> who can update us on fix my street please :) /translation :) 11:38 * henare thought I was in parliament for a second 11:38 <@NathanaelB> last met with Jake Monday 11:38 <@robman> 8) 11:39 <@NathanaelB> and Diana from Local Gov Web Network 11:39 <@henare> sorry 11:39 < mlandauer_> Yeah cool 11:39 * robman speaks henare 11:39 <@NathanaelB> and Local Gov *mumbles* ... Association 11:39 <@NathanaelB> she will help us promoting FMS with NSW local gov 11:39 <@robman> so she accepted our RSS idea 11:39 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:39 <@NathanaelB> but we need email too 11:39 <@robman> sure 11:39 < mlandauer_> RSS ideas? 11:39 <@NathanaelB> But RSS will be primary 11:39 < sarah_stokely> Question: Is local govt association a lobby group or an association *of* local govt? 'm not sure 11:39 <@robman> mlandauer - that has sys admin implications 11:40 <@NathanaelB> and that's AS technical as we'll get here :) 11:40 * NathanaelB is mindful of Stokely :) 11:40 < sarah_stokely> <3 11:40 < mlandauer_> Sorry - you're jumping ahead here. 11:40 < mlandauer_> Please explain 11:40 <@robman> mlandauer - i suggested we provide them with RSS feeds for FMS issues logged - and daily email notifications 11:40 < mlandauer_> Okay 11:40 <@NathanaelB> Diana basically represents a bunch of councils 11:40 <@NathanaelB> coordinates whole-of-state things 11:40 <@robman> but even email daily has sys admin implications (e.g. bounces etc) 11:41 <@NathanaelB> then there's the web network too ... for the techie people 11:41 < mlandauer_> Sorry can we step back a moment here 11:41 <@NathanaelB> To what? 11:41 < sarah_stokely> Does FMS aim to channel requests from citizens to local council, am I with you so far? 11:41 * robman is waaaay back 11:41 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:42 <@NathanaelB> or RTA if relevant 11:42 < mlandauer_> We just want to ensure that we leave ourselves fully in control 11:42 <@NathanaelB> or other state or even federal agency ... we're working with council to identify these things so they go to the correct people 11:42 < mlandauer_> What I mean by that... 11:42 < sarah_stokely> Have we discussed the ramifications of flooding them with requests? Want to make sure that we don't set up a pipeline that doesn't go anywhere. Do they WANT to hear requests? Can they respond? 11:42 < sarah_stokely> we need to be able to set reasonable expectations of users. 11:42 <@robman> sarah - hence RSS 11:42 <@NathanaelB> Yes. Those issues are part of the discussions 11:42 <@robman> multiple people can subscribe (inside councils) 11:43 < mlandauer_> The UK people have figured this stuff out already 11:43 <@robman> and we get logs of access 11:43 < sarah_stokely> cool 11:43 <@NathanaelB> Basically, if they want to engage with us we'll work with them to make sure emailed complaints go to the right places or no email at all and they can process the RSS feed 11:43 <@robman> mlandauer - i've been going through the code to understand all that - but happy for insights 11:43 < mlandauer_> Ah cool 11:43 <@NathanaelB> For everyone else ... reports will just go to their primary email address for such things as if someone wrote the email themselves. We just format it nicely. 11:44 <@robman> +1 structured data 11:44 < mlandauer_> I just want to ensure that we find a lowest common demoninator (which I guess is email) that we can use for everyone 11:44 < mlandauer_> And then... 11:44 < mlandauer_> Do fancier stuff for those councils that can pull their finger out 11:44 <@NathanaelB> Like Mosman Council 11:44 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:44 < mlandauer_> Including talking directly to their ticketing systems, etc.... 11:45 <@NathanaelB> They can pull the RSS feed direct into their internal job allocation system 11:45 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:45 <@robman> yes - however most email will largely be going to /dev/null 11:45 < mlandauer_> What makes you say that? 11:45 < katska> speaking of which - how do we track this easily moving on ... a seperate project? 11:45 < katska> (in JIRA) 11:45 <@robman> where /dev/null == reception 11:45 <@NathanaelB> We could follow the Canadian approach - but that's just going to piss users off 11:45 <@NathanaelB> Probably 11:45 <@NathanaelB> (to Kat) 11:45 < sarah_stokely> Canadian approach? 11:45 < mlandauer_> The canadian approach? 11:45 * robman is not clear on the server/brand relationship with FMS & OA 11:46 <@NathanaelB> They're rolling it out one council at a time 11:46 < sarah_stokely> As long as you start in Melbourne, I have no objection to that. ;) 11:46 <@NathanaelB> Be pretty pisssed off if you install the iPhone app only to find you can report issues for North Canberra, South West Melbourne and Darwin 11:46 <@NathanaelB> lol 11:46 < sarah_stokely> Yeah, agree re: iPhone app 11:46 < mlandauer_> What's the advantage of rolling it out one at a time? 11:46 <@robman> but should also just support mobile web and even PC web 11:47 <@NathanaelB> Because they ensure all reports go to the correct person 11:47 < sarah_stokely> i don't like tech centric development :( iphone users getting better access ftl 11:47 <@NathanaelB> Well 11:47 <@NathanaelB> That's all the help we have onboard at the moment 11:47 <@NathanaelB> so ... being a volunteer open source dev, we have to put up with it 11:47 * robman takes offence at that 11:47 <@NathanaelB> ??? 11:47 <@NathanaelB> For UI stuff I meant Rob 11:47 <@robman> 8) 11:47 < mlandauer_> I'm totally not following the thread of this conversation 11:47 <@NathanaelB> Ok 11:48 <@robman> mobile web is UI too NathanaelB 11:48 <@robman> anyway...moving on 11:48 <@NathanaelB> Yeah ... that's on my to do list ... but I'm busy helping Jake 11:48 <@NathanaelB> move on 11:48 < sarah_stokely> i would like to see us develop tools anyone can use. not just iphone users. but i realise we have help for iphone stuff on offer 11:48 <@NathanaelB> and our QLD contact working on the proper web site is ... not entirely onboard yet 11:48 * robman will prototype general mobile web version based on server-side stuff he's doing 11:49 <@NathanaelB> cool 11:49 < mlandauer_> Now, that's straight 11:49 < katska> can we get these things all into JIRA tix and move on that way. 11:49 <@robman> +1 11:49 < katska> where stuff meets people that can do stuff :) 11:49 < mlandauer_> +1 from me too 11:49 <@NathanaelB> Mathew can you create new proj and move the 6 tickets over? 11:50 < mlandauer_> There's currently a fixmystreet component 11:50 <@robman> still not clear on server/brand relationship between OA and FMS though 11:50 < mlandauer_> We'll stick with that until it gets too full 11:50 <@NathanaelB> ok 11:50 <@NathanaelB> FMS is too small to be a stand-alone community-supported project? Dunno why it's part of OA 11:50 < katska> can you write up what you see are the issues there and lets pick it up that way? 11:51 <@NathanaelB> except that OA = MySociety rather than OA = TWFY 11:51 < mlandauer_> There's going to be an "OpenAustralia Foundation" which can act as the umbrella 11:51 <@robman> ah...k 11:51 < mlandauer_> OpenAustralia Foundation === Mysociety 11:51 <@NathanaelB> k 11:51 < mlandauer_> OpenAustralia === TheyWorkForYou 11:51 * robman feels better 11:51 <@NathanaelB> NEXT 11:51 * robman hates unresolved IA 11:51 <@NathanaelB> WriteToThem 11:51 < mlandauer_> hehe 11:52 < katska> write to them. anyone had contact with vijay lately? 11:52 < mlandauer_> Nope 11:52 <@NathanaelB> TweetMPs guy? 11:52 <@robman> nope...holon 11:52 < katska> yarp 11:52 <@robman> 11 still 11:52 <@NathanaelB> not since publicsphere 11:52 <@robman> Classification schema development ongoing (Nat). 11:52 <@NathanaelB> Yes? 11:52 <@robman> nat - can we relate that to http://wiki.openaustralia.org/index.php/Open_Data_Model 11:52 < mlandauer_> How does that fit with reusing the UK web app code? 11:52 <@robman> it's all intimately related as far as I can see 11:53 <@robman> or did that just mean FMS classification? 11:53 <@NathanaelB> Yeah part of it is. The stuff I'm working on is specifically related to the classification of issues 11:53 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:53 * robman thought it meant broader taxonomy 11:53 <@NathanaelB> No 11:53 <@NathanaelB> I'm leaving that alone 11:53 <@robman> ah...k 11:53 <@robman> ignore me 11:53 <@robman> 8) 11:53 <@robman> so...12 anyone 11:53 <@NathanaelB> Here, have a beer instead :) 11:54 <@robman> ta 11:54 * robman hits himself on head with beer 11:54 <@NathanaelB> Kat was wandering off to get some Vijay stuff? 11:54 < katska> easy enough to flick a mail to prompt Vijay. can do... 11:54 <@NathanaelB> ok - you're taking the point on that action item? 11:54 < mlandauer_> Next. 13 11:55 < katska> yes. 11:55 < mlandauer_> Sorry did I do that too quickly? 11:55 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:55 <@NathanaelB> Don't make robman cranky :p 11:55 <@NathanaelB> NOW next 11:55 <@NathanaelB> RMIDET 11:55 <@robman> INDEED! 11:55 < katska> a name ... 11:56 < katska> get thinking. 11:56 <@NathanaelB> LiveInterests, MembersInterestsOnline 11:56 < mlandauer_> Kat, you're good at names. Think of something! 11:56 <@NathanaelB> MembersLaidBare 11:56 <@henare> eugh 11:56 < katska> I know. Nothing's coming to me. 11:56 <@robman> dumb question from an outsider - does this relate to myreps? 11:56 <@henare> list discussion? 11:56 < katska> *shudder 11:56 <@NathanaelB> OpenBook 11:56 < mlandauer_> It will 11:56 <@robman> k 11:56 < katska> yarp 11:57 * NathanaelB is postpone hairdresser - we're nowhere near finished 11:57 < katska> next 11:57 * robman loves NathanaelB's hair as it is 8) 11:57 < sarah_stokely> You'll be shaggy and it's our fault /wail 11:57 * henare can't talk 11:57 <@NathanaelB> Mobile OA? 11:57 < katska> how does the app relate to the sunlight foundation work. do we care? is it relevent? 11:58 <@robman> link? 11:58 <@NathanaelB> oh sorry did I skipp someinth?G 11:58 < mlandauer_> I haven't look at the Sunlight stuff. 11:58 < katska> you'll pick that up then? 11:58 < mlandauer_> @katska me? 11:58 < mlandauer_> I can look at it 11:58 < katska> yes please Matthew 11:59 < mlandauer_> Will do 11:59 * robman loves family discussions on irc 11:59 <@NathanaelB> Please add ur name against AI in agenda 11:59 <@NathanaelB> mark in red 11:59 <@NathanaelB> then agenda++; 11:59 < sarah_stokely> Are we up to point 14 yet? 11:59 < katska> done. 14 11:59 <@NathanaelB> yes 11:59 <@NathanaelB> Rob/Nat 11:59 <@robman> k...mlandauer was going to release it into test 11:59 * NathanaelB hands speaking twig to robman 11:59 < sarah_stokely> I am just unsure why mobile apps are a priority? or are they a priority? 12:00 <@NathanaelB> where does it state priority? 12:00 < mlandauer_> haven't released into test yet. Sorry 12:00 < mlandauer_> I wanted to do it yesterday. Ugh... 12:00 * robman thinks sarah has a beepy phone and may not be mobile savvy 8P 12:00 < katska> only priority is hands available to do stuff. expertise. 12:00 <@henare> sarah_stokely: they stop political arguments at pubs 12:00 <@NathanaelB> lol 12:00 <@robman> henare +1 12:00 < sarah_stokely> that would be a shame henare :) 12:00 <@henare> hehe true 12:01 < katska> I'd like to see more political arguments in pubs but that's a completely different agenda item 12:01 < katska> update please! 12:01 <@NathanaelB> Ok, so that release package has ... what? 12:01 <@robman> k...so i did a first version and it's in github 12:01 <@NathanaelB> final? draft? beta? styled? pilot? 12:01 <@robman> first draft - but useable 12:01 < mlandauer_> And I've been useless and not merged it yet. Bad me! 12:01 <@robman> targetted at generic phones 12:01 < mlandauer_> I blame Telstra 12:01 <@robman> me too 12:02 <@robman> once it's in test Nat feel free to make suggestions 12:02 < mlandauer_> 2 weeks without internet! The horror! 12:02 <@NathanaelB> okay 12:02 <@henare> mlandauer_: to deploy into test? developers to test and feeback? 12:02 <@robman> it still needs a general footer 12:02 <@henare> next? 12:02 <@henare> :) 12:02 <@NathanaelB> action item with Matthew to promote 12:02 < katska> not useless - too many things on the go. can anyone else help? 12:02 <@robman> and we can evolve from there 12:02 <@NathanaelB> then to nat to test, review UI 12:02 < mlandauer_> Not right now 12:02 <@robman> well hopefully more than just you nat 8) but yes 12:02 < mlandauer_> But would like to give Rob and Henare admin rights on the server 12:03 < mlandauer_> So can deploy and break things. :-) 12:03 < katska> yay! 12:03 <@henare> katska: are we back to point 0? ;) 12:03 <@robman> 8) 12:03 < katska> can you add that to the action list Matthew 12:03 <@robman> someone deleted the yay - that was my favourite bit 12:03 <@NathanaelB> robman: can't assign action items to "general public" :p 12:03 < mlandauer_> Okay 12:03 < katska> its back and its bigger 12:04 <@robman> Nat - fair point 8) 12:04 <@robman> <red>YAY!</red> 12:04 <@NathanaelB> So at *least* me, preferably others if you can hunt them down 12:04 < katska> why not?.... 12:04 < katska> drag them in off the street I say 12:04 * NathanaelB is waiting on Matthew to amend action items for 14 so we can move on 12:04 < katska> 15? 12:04 <@NathanaelB> increment agenda_pointer 12:04 <@henare> yup 12:05 < sarah_stokely> translate point 15 to sarah-english please? :) 12:05 <@NathanaelB> yeah - that will be an entirely offline discussion - we just need to agree to progress it 12:05 <@robman> sure 12:05 <@NathanaelB> Basically I've written up a bunch of suggestions for what we can do with the OA UI/IA 12:05 < katska> action item. set a date for this. 12:05 < mlandauer_> Yes, I agree. Not the best forum for having this discussion 12:05 <@NathanaelB> Some people seem to think it's viable to implement 12:05 < katska> Nat. call a meeting. 12:05 < sarah_stokely> awesome, i'd like to be involved iwth it. but i can't come to sydney for it. 12:05 <@NathanaelB> So if people agree it's worth discussing then we'll get together to threash it out 12:05 <@robman> not urgent - but valuable ongoing discussion I think 12:06 <@NathanaelB> Henare is the only one who's commented 12:06 <@NathanaelB> (and thank you) 12:06 <@henare> on this point, anyone have any feedback to my email to the list the other day about twfy's visual refresh 12:06 <@henare> not a problem 12:06 <@robman> had a look - I like the geo aware OA promo banner 12:06 <@NathanaelB> snap on nat calling meeting :p 12:06 <@henare> robman: that's been there for a while 12:06 <@robman> oh 12:06 <@robman> 8) 12:06 <@henare> :) 12:07 <@robman> well it's GOOD 12:07 * NathanaelB loads TWFY 12:07 <@NathanaelB> WHOA!!! 12:07 <@henare> uhuh 12:07 <@NathanaelB> ok NEXT 12:07 <@NathanaelB> PublicWhippy 12:07 <@henare> pls reply to list if you do have comments then. next 12:07 < katska> Matthew is out of the room getting power for lappy. 12:07 < mlandauer_> Nothing much to report other than... 12:08 * henare is interested 12:08 * NathanaelB is on edge of seat 12:08 <@NathanaelB> to report than ... 12:08 <@robman> power outage 12:08 < mlandauer_> that I now understand better the relationship between the Hansard and the "Votes and Proceedings" which might have big implications for publicwhip 12:08 < mlandauer_> That came from meeting with Roxanne Missingham 12:08 <@robman> is there a link to help robman understand publicwhip? 12:09 < mlandauer_> Other than that had absolutely no time in the last month to work on it 12:09 < mlandauer_> http://publicwhip.org.uk/ 12:09 <@robman> ah...ta 12:09 <@NathanaelB> it's part of the content I want to see written for OA :) 12:09 <@NathanaelB> ok so no actions arising? 12:09 < mlandauer_> What do you mean? 12:09 <@robman> ah...cool 12:09 <@NathanaelB> Did you read my UI proposal? 12:09 < mlandauer_> Yes 12:10 <@NathanaelB> Not the project .. but the voting stuff 12:10 <@NathanaelB> how it all works 12:10 < katska> content does not equal UI 12:10 <@robman> although - doesn't @katska's comments about "party voting" make that redundant? 12:10 < katska> *confused 12:10 < mlandauer_> Me too. What are we talking about? 12:10 <@NathanaelB> robman: were you talking about the dev work or the parliamentary procedure? 12:11 < sarah_stokely> @Nat - sorry, what UI proposal? Did I miss something? :( 12:11 < katska> party voting is something people should know about ... part of public whip. also will be interesting to look at alt data that maybe telling when the time comes. (attendances etc) 12:11 <@robman> katska pointed out (and proved by stats) that ppl are forced to vote on party lines 12:11 < sarah_stokely> <-- not on the dev list 12:12 < mlandauer_> <-- strongly urges @stokely to be on dev list :-) 12:12 <@henare> second 12:12 <@robman> <-- loves the new trend 12:12 <@NathanaelB> sarah_stokely: Just some ideas I had for revising the interface, architecture and content of OA to make it easier to use for beginners plus additional navigation structures and data aggregation stuff 12:12 <@NathanaelB> It's on JIRA if you really want to read it all or I can summarise in an email I send out as part of the meeting invite 12:12 < sarah_stokely> I've emailed you about it Nat, this style of chat is not helping me lessen my confusion. :) 12:12 < katska> @stokely please join list. (action). 12:13 < sarah_stokely> About to put my foot down really hard about how non user friendly this all is starting to feel. :( 12:13 < mlandauer_> @stokely it's pretty low traffic 12:13 < katska> i@stokely will help us see how to move it forward. better discussion if you join and leave than never join. 12:13 < mlandauer_> Just try it and we'll go from there... Please :-) 12:13 <@NathanaelB> 17. State Hansards 12:13 < mlandauer_> If it's bad then unsubscribe 12:14 <@NathanaelB> everyone still in their happy place? :) 12:14 < mlandauer_> Shall we move on? 12:14 <@NathanaelB> yes 12:15 <@henare> yes :) yes 12:15 <@henare> 17 12:15 <@NathanaelB> 17. State Hansards 12:15 -!- mlandauer_ [i=792c7867@gateway/web/freenode/x-8329093f7085af47] has quit ["Page closed"] 12:15 <@henare> mlandauer_: you? 12:15 < katska> more interest has been coming to help get permissions sorted 12:15 <@NathanaelB> ouch 12:15 <@henare> ack 12:15 <@robman> doh 12:15 <@NathanaelB> did we annoy him that muchj 12:15 < katska> via publicsphere gov2.0 taskforce 12:15 <@NathanaelB> yes 12:16 <@NathanaelB> I am not doing ANYTHING with local hansards. That's all trib 12:16 < katska> CPD and a state parliamentary librarian 12:16 * NathanaelB removes his name from against item 12:16 < katska> where is trib? 12:16 <@henare> is anyone doing dev in this area? 12:16 -!- mlandauer [i=792c7867@gateway/web/freenode/x-e0e46cd940d0bc55] has joined #openaustralia 12:16 < katska> you don't want to have anything to do with it? 12:16 <@henare> this can happen in parallel yeah? 12:16 <@NathanaelB> I have added action item I will contact trib 12:16 <@NathanaelB> sarah_stokely: Do you accept action item against your name for Vic hansards? 12:17 <@robman> can @PennySharpeMLC help in NSW? (not sure where NSW is up to) 12:17 < katska> think once we get one going... hackfests can connect interested parties and development 12:17 < sarah_stokely> i'm not sure what the action is @nat 12:17 < katska> Can she? 12:17 < katska> (to Rob) 12:17 < katska> you met her this week? 12:17 <@robman> @katska - would fit well with her nsw work 12:17 <@NathanaelB> sarah_stokely: Do you know this Darren Sharp? 12:17 <@robman> i think she would 12:18 <@robman> happy to follow up if you want 12:18 < sarah_stokely> No nat, i have not met him before. meeting him in 2 weeks. 12:18 <@robman> would be a nice tangible example of her helping 12:18 <@NathanaelB> ok 12:18 < katska> @robman ok. sounds good. should prolly meet up on this. excellent 12:18 <@robman> cool 12:18 <@NathanaelB> action item against VIC updated 12:18 < katska> @robman will you connect us? 12:19 < sarah_stokely> ok i can look for Vic to help, action accepted. 12:19 <@robman> yop... 12:19 <@robman> i'll dm her then email you both and connect you up 12:19 < katska> good start. 12:19 <@NathanaelB> we'll skip agenda item 18 while Sarah and Kat are with us I suggest? 12:19 <@henare> no problem 12:19 <@henare> 19 12:19 < katska> wow. 12:19 <@henare> actually 12:19 <@henare> 1 second 12:19 < katska> there's an assumption not to make @nat 12:19 <@NathanaelB> And I don't need to be here for that one either :) 12:19 <@henare> there's some organisational bits in my one 12:19 <@henare> that need input from all 12:20 < sarah_stokely> Yeah Kat i hear that. This meeting seems to have voted me non-technical 12:20 <@NathanaelB> Apologies. 12:20 <@henare> re making things public 12:20 < sarah_stokely> Wow indeed :) 12:20 < mlandauer> Hey @nat I think you just offended @kat 12:20 <@henare> sorry all ;-/ 12:20 < katska> not offended. amused maybe 12:20 <@henare> mine are quick anyway 12:20 < mlandauer> Okay cool. let's move on. Do we move to 18? 12:20 < mlandauer> Or skip to 19? 12:21 <@NathanaelB> LOL, I'm sorry - didn't mean to offend but didn't think Sarah, Kat and myself wanted to discuss github repository stuff. If you want to, that's fine. My bad. 12:21 < katska> overall more peeps interested in 19. so lets do it 12:21 < mlandauer> Cool 12:21 < katska> :)) 12:21 <@henare> I didn't even know there was a mediawiki setup for OA until rob(?) editied it 12:21 <@henare> gah 12:21 < sarah_stokely> Do we know if Trib wants to be involved in 19? Not sure why he's not here today? 12:21 < mlandauer> There's a reason for that. I can explain.. 12:21 < katska> did I forget to mail him? 12:22 <@NathanaelB> .. seeing going to technical was shot down earlier in the meeting. So I'm confused. But whatever. 12:22 <@henare> me 2 12:22 < katska> *stroke stroke.... its all fine. 12:22 * robman robman just guessed wiki.OA and assumed it was the right place 8/ 12:22 < sarah_stokely> @Nat I think we've just having trouble building a bridge between our levels of tech expertise/interest, that's all. :) I emailed you :) 12:23 <@henare> can we agree to quickly cover 18? 12:23 <@NathanaelB> ok 12:23 < katska> yes please 12:23 <@henare> k 12:23 < katska> ? 12:23 <@henare> everyone happy to standardise on wiki.oa as our wiki 12:23 <@henare> ? 12:23 < mlandauer> The main reason for not publicising the wiki.openaustralia.org Mediawiki is there is no protection against spamming 12:23 <@robman> so henare - mlandauer had concerns about spam moderation in mw 12:23 <@robman> snap 12:23 < mlandauer> That just needs to get looked at 12:23 <@henare> yes, that's why I raised it 12:24 <@henare> ok, let's take it offline but in principle that's the way we go? 12:24 <@purserj> you can restrict write access in mediawiki 12:24 <@robman> mlandauer - having wiki ping page edits to this channel can help too 12:24 <@robman> works well for uf community 12:24 < mlandauer> I know. it just needs to get looked at and configured 12:25 <@robman> will always need constant gardeners 12:25 < mlandauer> Yes, indeed 12:25 < katska> Matthew can this be delegated? 12:25 <@henare> k, I'll look into it and discuss privately with you two 12:25 < mlandauer> Cool! 12:25 < katska> woooooo! 12:25 <@henare> (i.e. beg for admin rights when required) 12:25 <@henare> next 12:25 <@henare> meetings 12:25 < mlandauer> @henare - get familiar with Chef 12:25 * robman 's eyeballs hurt from the sheer momentum in this meeting 8) 12:25 <@henare> is everyone happy that all of our meetings etc are public? 12:26 < katska> (yes 12:26 < sarah_stokely> does this mean dev meetings or these meetings? 12:26 <@robman> yes 12:26 < mlandauer> Yup 12:26 <@henare> i.e. HD to post this transcript, etc. 12:26 <@henare> and actions, and agenda 12:26 <@henare> these meetings 12:26 <@henare> sarah_stokely: what say you? 12:26 <@robman> so henare you are logging and will post to wiki.OA? 12:27 <@henare> can do 12:27 < katska> if agreed, are you picking that up as well @henare? 12:27 <@robman> cool 12:27 <@henare> already got the page structure there 12:27 <@robman> i can get the bot to do that automatically in the future too 12:27 < sarah_stokely> i think we are still on lookout for a meeting interface that works but the public aspect doesn't bother me :) 12:27 <@henare> just wanted confirmation from all that we're happy they're public 12:27 < mlandauer> @henare - fancy! 12:27 <@henare> robman: great 12:27 < mlandauer> I meant @robman 12:27 <@henare> sarah_stokely: agreed 12:27 <@robman> heh 12:27 <@henare> the page I have there lists the method we use 12:27 <@NathanaelB> fine 12:28 <@henare> and cos it's a wiki, that'll evolve too :) 12:28 < katska> someone may even see the transcript and feel the urge to suggest *a better way* (hint hint) 12:28 <@henare> yup yup 12:28 <@henare> k, next 12:28 <@henare> web site stats 12:28 <@henare> we happy/able to make them public? 12:28 < katska> matthew? 12:28 < mlandauer> Not super easy 12:28 <@henare> this came from a question I had after our news stories 12:29 <@henare> k, low priority but in principle we're happy to 12:29 < mlandauer> There is an API for Google Analytics, but it's work 12:29 <@henare> eugh 12:29 < mlandauer> I suggest low priority 12:29 <@henare> k. happy. next 12:29 <@henare> everyone happy I update all the Resolved tickets to Closed? 12:29 < katska> ok. agreed in principle tech to figure out 12:29 <@robman> +1 lifecycle diagram 12:29 <@NathanaelB> fine 12:29 <@henare> cool 12:29 < mlandauer> On that note... 12:29 <@henare> I'll do those diagrams too, wiki them and mail the list 12:30 < mlandauer> I can remove Resolved as a state in JIRA and have it go straight to closed 12:30 < katska> @henare you will be busy! 12:30 < mlandauer> Something I've been meaning to do for a while... 12:30 <@henare> no, I think that's helpful 12:30 <@NathanaelB> is someone going to add these action items to the agenda .... 12:30 <@henare> I've Resolved the share this thing but the issues isn't closed cos the feature isn't live 12:30 * robman lives vicariously through diagrams 12:30 <@henare> ;) 12:30 <@henare> me 12:31 < katska> *me too but only if I can do them in omnigraffle 12:31 < mlandauer> So close tickets when they're deployed? That makes sense 12:31 <@robman> +1 12:31 <@NathanaelB> unless you split into dev/deploy tickets 12:31 < mlandauer> No, that's too ugly 12:31 <@henare> yup 12:31 < katska> no! 12:31 * NathanaelB is shot down 12:31 <@henare> ;) 12:31 <@robman> nice flames though 12:31 <@NathanaelB> Ok ... let's please wrap this up soon - 90 minutes and counting 12:31 <@henare> cool 12:32 < mlandauer> I agree. 12:32 <@henare> the review process is interesting 12:32 < mlandauer> I need to go back to bed 12:32 <@robman> 8( 12:32 < mlandauer> A lot of work needs to be done there 12:32 <@henare> just popped out of some work I saw Ray and Lachie doing on github 12:32 < katska> shall we agree to write up code review process? 12:32 <@henare> but another time 12:32 < sarah_stokely> shall we postpone item 19 til trib is back with us? 12:32 <@henare> 19 12:32 < mlandauer> Yes, another time 12:32 < katska> can we have another meeting on that subjec with you and trib sarah? 12:33 < sarah_stokely> sure 12:33 < katska> tba 12:33 < katska> I'll action 12:33 < katska> ditto education 12:33 < sarah_stokely> i have my life back after 13 july 12:33 <@NathanaelB> me? If you want 12:34 < katska> anyone interested in that conversation please add your name to item Education 12:34 < katska> any other urgent stuff? 12:34 < sarah_stokely> budget to jacinta for how much of a grant is needed for SAGE? 12:34 < katska> that's a no then? 12:34 < mlandauer> Nothing from me 12:35 <@NathanaelB> SAGE aren't goingto cover all of it are they 12:35 < katska> Have mailed details of flights etc to Jacinta - she has proposed & that's moving forward to cover travel & accom. 12:35 <@NathanaelB> Can we get sposnorship elsewhere? 12:35 <@NathanaelB> Does OA have any $ from donations? 12:35 < katska> hardly anything. we haven't really moved on that. 12:35 < sarah_stokely> i think the additional cost will onlly be if matthew wnats to stay for the rest of the conf? not sure though 12:36 < katska> would love to have funding discussion thread - inc sponsorship ideas. 12:36 < mlandauer> I wasn't planning to 12:36 <@NathanaelB> ok - start one up ... on the dev list, lol 12:36 <@robman> katska +1 12:36 * NathanaelB ducks ... just in case 12:36 < katska> ok - we'll take that to the list :) 12:36 < katska> is that a wrap - aye? 12:36 <@NathanaelB> YES 12:36 <@NathanaelB> thank you all for your time 12:36 <@robman> night all 12:36 < sarah_stokely> think so. 12:36 <@NathanaelB> have a lovely weekend 12:36 < mlandauer> Thank you! 12:37 <@henare> thanks all! 12:37 < katska> you too... thanks everyone! 12:37 <@NathanaelB> relax, don't work too hard (even tho I'm going into the office now) 12:37 < katska> bye 12:37 <@robman> YAY 12:37 <@NathanaelB> rest up Matthew and Kat 12:37 <@henare> meeting closed
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