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@shipilev shipilev commented Sep 3, 2021

During the review of JDK-8272914 that added hotspot:tier{2,3} groups, @iignatev suggested to create tier4 groups that capture all tests not in tiers{1,2,3}.

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  • I excluded applications from hotspot:tier4, because they require test dependencies (e.g. jcstress).
  • jdk:tier4 only runs well with JTREG_KEYWORDS=\!headful or reduced concurrency with TEST_JOBS=1, because headful tests cannot run in parallel

Sample run with JTREG_KEYWORDS=\!headful:

==============================
Test summary
==============================
   TEST                                              TOTAL  PASS  FAIL ERROR   
>> jtreg:test/hotspot/jtreg:tier4                     3585  3584     0     1 <<
>> jtreg:test/jdk:tier4                               2893  2887     5     1 <<
   jtreg:test/langtools:tier4                            0     0     0     0   
   jtreg:test/jaxp:tier4                                 0     0     0     0   
==============================

real	699m39.462s
user	6626m8.448s
sys	1110m43.704s

There are interesting test failures on my machine, which I would address separately.


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iignatev commented Sep 3, 2021

<...> I have excluded vmTestbase and hotspot:tier4<...> I have also excluded applications from hotspot:tier4 <...>

assuming the goal of tier4 is to catch the rest of the tests, I don't think we should exclude vmTestbase, applications or any other tests from tier4. unless you also want to create tier5 for them.

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shipilev commented Sep 3, 2021

<...> I have excluded vmTestbase and hotspot:tier4<...> I have also excluded applications from hotspot:tier4 <...>

assuming the goal of tier4 is to catch the rest of the tests, I don't think we should exclude vmTestbase, applications or any other tests from tier4. unless you also want to create tier5 for them.

Apart from practicality of using tier4, I think vmTestbase and applications are separate test suites in their own right. tier4 is catching all the assorted Hotspot tests that are not part of larger suites. Makes sense?

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mrserb commented Sep 4, 2021

it looks like the results above do not include the headful tests did you filter them out?

jtreg:test/jdk:tier4 2891 2885 4 2 <<

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iignatev commented Sep 4, 2021

<...> I have excluded vmTestbase and hotspot:tier4<...> I have also excluded applications from hotspot:tier4 <...>

assuming the goal of tier4 is to catch the rest of the tests, I don't think we should exclude vmTestbase, applications or any other tests from tier4. unless you also want to create tier5 for them.

Apart from practicality of using tier4, I think vmTestbase and applications are separate test suites in their own right. tier4 is catching all the assorted Hotspot tests that are not part of larger suites. Makes sense?

to some extent. I agree that applications tests can/should be seen as a separate test suite, yet I differ on vmTestbase as the end goal for vmTestbase tests is (and always was) to become just another test within hotspot jtreg test suite, hence I don't think we should treat them any different than other jtreg tests. there is also a plan (which I need to formalize and share w/ a broader audience) to rearrange vmTestbase tests so they will be placed within the corresponding component subdirectories, which would bring us closer to the end goal and at the same time make it slightly harder to select all vmTestbase tests.

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Hi Aleksey,

This seems rather arbitrary and subjective to me. The tier 1-3 groupings were driven by existing tier 1-3 notions. But here the definition of tier 4 as "all the rest except ..." is not really a well-defined meaning for tier 4. I don't see that it adds any value. Perhaps there is a need for a group that is "everything except tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, applications, ..." but I wouldn't call that tier 4.

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shipilev commented Sep 6, 2021

@iignatev: OK, I reinstated vmTestbase and left applications out of hotspot:tier4.
@dholmes-ora: Generally speaking, all tierX definitions are rather arbitrary, as there seem to be nothing intrinsic about the tests to be in a particular tier. In other words, what tierX consists of is a matter of agreement. I'd say hotspot:tier4 is "all assorted Hotspot tests that are not application-specific suites"
@mrserb: Yes, I ran this on a headless config, so headful tests were skipped, apparently. I'll try to arrange runs on my desktop.

Please see new commit. As hotspot:tier4 is now much longer, it would take me a while to verify everything works there.

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mrserb commented Sep 6, 2021

@mrserb: Yes, I ran this on a headless config, so headful tests were skipped, apparently. I'll try to arrange runs on my desktop.

Then you probably need to skip "printer" tests as well. BTW it will be really good somehow to execute headless tests in tier4 concurrently, and run the headful tests in tier5 sequentially.

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On 7/09/2021 1:17 am, Aleksey Shipilev wrote:

@dholmes-ora: Generally speaking, all `tierX` definitions are rather arbitrary, as there seem to be nothing intrinsic about the tests to be in a particular tier. In other words, what `tierX` consists of is a matter of agreement. I'd say `hotspot:tier4` is "all assorted Hotspot tests that are not application-specific suites"

The difference is that your previous work just consolidated the existing
subsystem tier 1-3 definitions, but here you are choosing to define "all
the rest" as tier 4. I don't think it is actually helpful/useful to
anyone - and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we call "tier
4", so that will just lead to unnecessary confusion IMO.

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iignatev commented Sep 7, 2021

Mailing list message from David Holmes on hotspot-dev:

On 7/09/2021 1:17 am, Aleksey Shipilev wrote:

@dholmes-ora: Generally speaking, all tierX definitions are rather arbitrary, as there seem to be nothing intrinsic about the tests to be in a particular tier. In other words, what tierX consists of is a matter of agreement. I'd say hotspot:tier4 is "all assorted Hotspot tests that are not application-specific suites"

The difference is that your previous work just consolidated the existing
subsystem tier 1-3 definitions, but here you are choosing to define "all
the rest" as tier 4. I don't think it is actually helpful/useful to
anyone - and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we call "tier
4", so that will just lead to unnecessary confusion IMO.

@dholmes-ora , although I fully agree that this might lead to some misunderstanding b/w Oracle and non-Oracle folks, I don't see how it's different from the previous patch, which introduced hotspot:tier2 and hotspot:tier3. even if we reduce tierN to just a set of tests, the test groups added by 8272914 bear as much resemblance to the test sets used in Oracle's tier2-3 as the suggested hotspot:tier4 groups in this patch to the actual tier4 definition used in Oracle's internal system, e.g. hotspot:tier2 group has 0 tests from test/hotspot/jtreg/compiler, but Oracle's tier2 does include a number of test/hotspot/jtreg/compiler tests (which aren't part of :tier1). I believe that this patch actually moves us closer to a convergence point, as the union of hotspot:tier1 -- hotspot:tier4 test groups is very close to the test sets used in hotspot parts of Oracle's tier1 -- tier4 definitions.

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On 7/09/2021 2:20 pm, Igor Ignatyev wrote:

On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 13:22:03 GMT, Aleksey Shipilev <shade at openjdk.org> wrote:

During the review of JDK-8272914 that added hotspot:tier{2,3} groups, @iignatev suggested to create tier4 groups that capture all tests not in tiers{1,2,3}. I have excluded `vmTestbase` and `hotspot:tier4,` because they take 10+ hours on my highly parallel machine. I have also excluded `applications` from `hotspot:tier4`, because they require test dependencies (e.g. jcstress).

Sample run:

==============================
Test summary
==============================
TEST TOTAL PASS FAIL ERROR

jtreg:test/hotspot/jtreg:tier4 426 425 1 0 <<
jtreg:test/jdk:tier4 2891 2885 4 2 <<
jtreg:test/langtools:tier4 0 0 0 0
jtreg:test/jaxp:tier4 0 0 0 0
==============================

real 64m13.994s
user 1462m1.213s
sys 39m38.032s

There are interesting test failures on my machine, which I would address separately.

Aleksey Shipilev has updated the pull request incrementally with one additional commit since the last revision:

Drop applications and fix the comment

_Mailing list message from [David Holmes](mailto:david.holmes at oracle.com) on [hotspot-dev](mailto:hotspot-dev at mail.openjdk.java.net):_

On 7/09/2021 1:17 am, Aleksey Shipilev wrote:

@dholmes-ora: Generally speaking, all `tierX` definitions are rather arbitrary, as there seem to be nothing intrinsic about the tests to be in a particular tier. In other words, what `tierX` consists of is a matter of agreement. I'd say `hotspot:tier4` is "all assorted Hotspot tests that are not application-specific suites"

The difference is that your previous work just consolidated the existing
subsystem tier 1-3 definitions, but here you are choosing to define "all
the rest" as tier 4. I don't think it is actually helpful/useful to
anyone - and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what we call "tier
4", so that will just lead to unnecessary confusion IMO.

@dholmes-ora , although I fully agree that this might lead to some misunderstanding b/w Oracle and non-Oracle folks, I don't see how it's different from the previous patch, which introduced `hotspot:tier2` and `hotspot:tier3`.

Because hotspot:tier2 and hotspot:tier3 simply grouped existing
component definitions for tiers 2 and 3:

+tier2 = \
+ :hotspot_tier2_runtime \
+ :hotspot_tier2_runtime_platform_agnostic \
+ :hotspot_tier2_serviceability \
+ :tier2_gc_epsilon \
+ :tier2_gc_shenandoah
+
+tier3 = \
+ :hotspot_tier3_runtime \
+ :tier3_gc_shenandoah

but that is not the case for tier4.

even if we reduce `tierN` to just a set of tests, the test groups added by 8272914 bear as much resemblance to the test sets used in Oracle's tier2-3 as the suggested `hotspot:tier4` groups in this patch to the actual `tier4` definition used in Oracle's internal system, e.g. `hotspot:tier2` group has 0 tests from `test/hotspot/jtreg/compiler`, but Oracle's `tier2` does include a number of `test/hotspot/jtreg/compiler` tests (which aren't part of `:tier1`). I believe that this patch actually moves us closer to a convergence point, as the union of `hotspot:tier1` -- `hotspot:tier4` test groups is very close to the test sets used in hotspot parts of Oracle's `tier1` -- `tier4` definitions.

We can discuss Oracle's tier definitions privately - I don't see any
connection between those and this tier4 however.

Thanks,
David
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shipilev commented Sep 7, 2021

Once again, the disconnect between Oracle and OpenJDK test definitions seems to be the problem for Oracle's side. Rectifying that disconnect might fall under the scope of this PR, but I have to point out that it is a courtesy of upstream open-source project to care about proprietary downstream definitions.

More to the point: since tier4 as "catch-all-the-rest" was Igor's idea, I assumed that would be in agreement with Oracle's test definitions. Following this discussion, it seems I assumed wrong. So it puts me in a weird position to be between two Oracle engineers arguing about proprietary test definitions I cannot really know about, and have no decision power about. For all I care for OpenJDK, we might as well model tier4 after what Oracle does, as to minimize confusion for Oracle engineers. But then again, I have no idea what Oracle means by tier4. So as the alternative, I can postpone this PR until you folks have a coherent view on this, or I can just give up on this PR and re-assign the RFE to Igor, assuming he is willing to work this out.

Tell me what you want me to do here.

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Hi Aleksey,

I've discussed this with Igor and while I don't agree with the rationale I won't "block it".

Cheers,
David

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Progress:
a) hotspot:tier4 still runs cleanly, and a bit faster due to recent vmTestbase parallelism improvements.
b) jdk:tier4 has a lot of failures in headful mode, probably because the tests do not like to run in parallel, see for example #5533. It would take a while to resolve for all GUI tests. If we are in agreement that current tier4 definition is good, maybe it would be proper to integrate this PR, and then make tier4 clean for headful mode?

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All right, I am convinced that current patch is as good as it gets. GUI tests still do not run well with default parallelism, but I see no reason to block this integration before that is resolved. Either run tier4 in headless mode, or limit the parallelism.

@iignatev, @mrserb, @dholmes-ora -- are you good with this?

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It is fine to run headful and headless tests separately.

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LGTM

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I abstain - you have your reviews.

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All right, there goes.

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