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simonv3 commented Jun 9, 2015

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Hey all!

So, that's enough logo options I think. As a group of volunteers, I don't think anyone has a significant amount of time to take a lead on logo design, or taking the time to appoint someone to do so. After talking with some people on the IRC channel I put up a survey asking people to indicate their favorite logo.

You can take the survey here.

You can enter your favorite choice and your second favorite choice. This will be a simplified single transferable vote survey. That means that if your first choice comes last in the first round (so it gets eliminated), your second choice vote will be counted as well, etc until there's a clear winner. The results are stored anonymously, so I'll publish them once they're done (unless people have a major objection?).

If you have a better idea, please tell us. There's a special comment box. It can be anonymous, but I'd prefer for it to be actionable, and that you are willing to take the lead on this. Your idea might be great and the best way to do it, but if no one acts on it than it won't happen. (See: this thread).

I'm going to close this topic to prevent more options from appearing. If you think this is wrong, ping me on IRC or on twitter (@simonv3 on both), or any of the other people who can open it again. Also you can open another issue for discussion purposes specifically.

(The reason this took so long is because I couldn't find a suitable open source survey tool. If you want to help me build this one out more, come check it out ;))

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Hey all!

Thanks so much for contributing all of your great thoughts, ideas, logos, sketches, etc. This is super awesome, and exactly what I hope for this community. It's great to see you all pitch in, and I'm super appreciative of all of the work you've been doing on this.

However, to prevent this from going on and on with new ideas and concepts, and never end up with a logo, I'm going to suggest that we all agree that a week from today Wednesday the 17th (this gives people a weekend to pitch in ideas as well) we close this topic. If by the end of this week we don't have a clear choice of favorite, we can put things to a vote.

I want everyone's opinions on our logo. Why a particular concept is great, why it fails, etc. I want to make sure that everyone's voice gets a chance to be heard. But I also want a positive conclusion to this conversation.

Let me know if you think this is unfair.

continued from before

Some concepts so far:

  1. mariekevc @MariekevC
  2. jdittrich @jdittrich
  3. plastelina @plastelina

@plastelina. The logo you referenced is semi-off limits. It's the design open logo, for some more background look here: opensourcedesign/jobs#26.

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Does it make sense to start the conversation defining goals and establishing some constraints for collaborators before posting concepts?

Just trying to make reference to an existing resource.

Does it make sense to start the conversation defining goals and establishing some constraints for collaborators before posting concepts?

Just trying to make reference to an existing resource.

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@teufelabgott that would be excellent. The conversation was running over from #17 though, I just wanted to keep that thread focused. I'm open to any constraints / etc anyone wants to come up with (but a bit too busy myself to do it).

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simonv3 commented Jun 9, 2015

@teufelabgott that would be excellent. The conversation was running over from #17 though, I just wanted to keep that thread focused. I'm open to any constraints / etc anyone wants to come up with (but a bit too busy myself to do it).

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I like the right concept by @jdittrich a lot, definitely something to be built upon. The left one with the pencil is a bit too similar to the »DesignOpen« folks. Also the metaphor of Design = Pencil is getting a bit old, no?

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jancborchardt commented Jun 9, 2015

I like the right concept by @jdittrich a lot, definitely something to be built upon. The left one with the pencil is a bit too similar to the »DesignOpen« folks. Also the metaphor of Design = Pencil is getting a bit old, no?

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Will see if I can come up with some sketches too.

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jancborchardt commented Jun 9, 2015

Will see if I can come up with some sketches too.

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I think the pencil one from @jdittrich is awesome, and different enough from the Open Design Foundation logo.

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GarthDB commented Jun 9, 2015

I think the pencil one from @jdittrich is awesome, and different enough from the Open Design Foundation logo.

@jancborchardt jancborchardt referenced this issue in opensourcedesign/jobs Jun 9, 2015

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Just playing with some variations to @jdittrich's design.

opensrcdesign_01
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I posted them on Pixelapse if anyone wants the vector files.

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GarthDB commented Jun 9, 2015

Just playing with some variations to @jdittrich's design.

opensrcdesign_01
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I posted them on Pixelapse if anyone wants the vector files.

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Some thoughts!

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una commented Jun 9, 2015

Some thoughts!

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GarthDB commented Jun 10, 2015

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I'm not convinced about the pencil, tried with a brush instead.

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Xaviju commented Jun 10, 2015

I'm not convinced about the pencil, tried with a brush instead.

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I love the variations of the logo by @jdittrich from @GarthDB and @una but I think I would prefer the brush by @Xaviju

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pfefferle commented Jun 10, 2015

I love the variations of the logo by @jdittrich from @GarthDB and @una but I think I would prefer the brush by @Xaviju

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I like the brush too!

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una commented Jun 10, 2015

I like the brush too!

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Yeah that brush is pretty simple and elegant. Good job @Xaviju !

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gillisig commented Jun 10, 2015

Yeah that brush is pretty simple and elegant. Good job @Xaviju !

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The brush logo by @Xaviju its the best option in my opinion. I like it :)

The brush logo by @Xaviju its the best option in my opinion. I like it :)

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Visually, I like the brush logo too; its rather elegant; But: imho it communicates a Design-is (like)-Art message which I don’t find ideal.

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jdittrich commented Jun 10, 2015

Visually, I like the brush logo too; its rather elegant; But: imho it communicates a Design-is (like)-Art message which I don’t find ideal.

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It's a very good logo @Xaviju , but I'm not convinced - brush? It feels more like a painter then designer. This doesn't really send a message...but this is just my opinion. (agreed with @jdittrich comment)

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plastelina commented Jun 10, 2015

It's a very good logo @Xaviju , but I'm not convinced - brush? It feels more like a painter then designer. This doesn't really send a message...but this is just my opinion. (agreed with @jdittrich comment)

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My thoughts on the brush: I haven't used a brush in my design work ever. But then, I'm also not a pure designer. I liked the pencil for that reason better - I sketch a lot.

I'd love to see some more iterations of it though @Xaviju. Maybe some color? I really like the bottom right of @una's color concepts.

If there's enough of a split, we might need to have a vote. Anyone know a good tool?

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simonv3 commented Jun 10, 2015

My thoughts on the brush: I haven't used a brush in my design work ever. But then, I'm also not a pure designer. I liked the pencil for that reason better - I sketch a lot.

I'd love to see some more iterations of it though @Xaviju. Maybe some color? I really like the bottom right of @una's color concepts.

If there's enough of a split, we might need to have a vote. Anyone know a good tool?

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@una’s concepts: I like the middle-top one most: Few elements, incorporates both circle outlines in the pencil, works well in b/w or if blurred (though here the brush is better; might improve if the main circle and pencil have a darker color than light blue/bright yellow)

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jdittrich commented Jun 10, 2015

@una’s concepts: I like the middle-top one most: Few elements, incorporates both circle outlines in the pencil, works well in b/w or if blurred (though here the brush is better; might improve if the main circle and pencil have a darker color than light blue/bright yellow)

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Photoshop and other Apps still use the "brush" as a tool, so I think it is not that far away, from what we do nowadays.

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pfefferle commented Jun 10, 2015

Photoshop and other Apps still use the "brush" as a tool, so I think it is not that far away, from what we do nowadays.

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As also said above regarding the pen or pencil: I don’t think a brush or these tools properly convey what design is about. Rather, they kinda discount it as »artsy«. So while it’s very simple and looks very good @Xaviju I’m not convinced we should use it.

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jancborchardt commented Jun 10, 2015

As also said above regarding the pen or pencil: I don’t think a brush or these tools properly convey what design is about. Rather, they kinda discount it as »artsy«. So while it’s very simple and looks very good @Xaviju I’m not convinced we should use it.

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Here is one more version of the pencil.
osd

If you look closely it kinda looks like pacman eating one of those monsters. 😄

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gillisig commented Jun 10, 2015

Here is one more version of the pencil.
osd

If you look closely it kinda looks like pacman eating one of those monsters. 😄

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I liked the idea of @jdittrich where the logo is 'in the making', @Xaviju brush is strong, but I guess miss the 'code' or technical side of design.
All above examples gave this idea:
osd_logo_openbrush

It seems I can't let go of the the open source logo, so I took @jdittrich idea of the unfinished one, added the brush voor the creative part. It can also be a " / ". Or together with the left part as " < / ".

I liked the idea of @jdittrich where the logo is 'in the making', @Xaviju brush is strong, but I guess miss the 'code' or technical side of design.
All above examples gave this idea:
osd_logo_openbrush

It seems I can't let go of the the open source logo, so I took @jdittrich idea of the unfinished one, added the brush voor the creative part. It can also be a " / ". Or together with the left part as " < / ".

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i love xaviju's logo, but there is an issue that bothers me, on that has been bothering me for a longer time for another logo: the scribus one

scribus logo

and since the meaning of the proposed logos is questioned, as a non-designer, i dare to wonder why you are using tools for drawing on paper as a symbol for digital design.
the time has not come yet, when the digital world is real enough?

aoloe commented Jun 10, 2015

i love xaviju's logo, but there is an issue that bothers me, on that has been bothering me for a longer time for another logo: the scribus one

scribus logo

and since the meaning of the proposed logos is questioned, as a non-designer, i dare to wonder why you are using tools for drawing on paper as a symbol for digital design.
the time has not come yet, when the digital world is real enough?

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hahahah, it does :) @gillisig!

I've got a question: why did we stuck on b&w version of logo only? Design is all about colour, balance, simplicity ( I like @una direction with colour). Maybe it would be worth considering (as someone mentioned before) the direction for logo as open source hardware has.

Also, FINALLY! bravo @aoloe . As a designer I do use biro for sketches ;), sometimes pencil to come up with a concept.

What do you guys think about these? (RGB or CMYK), also I was thinking of incorporating ruler or some sort of grid (mobile, website) to the actual open source logo that we are currently using? Any thoughts?
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hahahah, it does :) @gillisig!

I've got a question: why did we stuck on b&w version of logo only? Design is all about colour, balance, simplicity ( I like @una direction with colour). Maybe it would be worth considering (as someone mentioned before) the direction for logo as open source hardware has.

Also, FINALLY! bravo @aoloe . As a designer I do use biro for sketches ;), sometimes pencil to come up with a concept.

What do you guys think about these? (RGB or CMYK), also I was thinking of incorporating ruler or some sort of grid (mobile, website) to the actual open source logo that we are currently using? Any thoughts?
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Well, I don't think the pencil or the brush are trying to be 'real tools', but just social conventions. It fits well an 'open' circle + a social-convention-designer-tool to say 'Open Design'.
Is it Brush | pencil = design? Yes and no.

@gillisig :____)
@aoloe agree with that reflection, I'll think about it, but its hard to make that abstraction 'real'
@plastelina Love it, specially option 2. Still miss the brush\pencil\pen\ruler\etc but its nice :)

We should be careful not to get stuck in 'what a designer is' because that is not a logo, that is probably a long book full of philosophical questions. :)

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Well, I don't think the pencil or the brush are trying to be 'real tools', but just social conventions. It fits well an 'open' circle + a social-convention-designer-tool to say 'Open Design'.
Is it Brush | pencil = design? Yes and no.

@gillisig :____)
@aoloe agree with that reflection, I'll think about it, but its hard to make that abstraction 'real'
@plastelina Love it, specially option 2. Still miss the brush\pencil\pen\ruler\etc but its nice :)

We should be careful not to get stuck in 'what a designer is' because that is not a logo, that is probably a long book full of philosophical questions. :)

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@plastelina :D I just played around with a very similar concept:
opensourcedesign-logoraw

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jancborchardt commented Jun 10, 2015

@plastelina :D I just played around with a very similar concept:
opensourcedesign-logoraw

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That is – I think this refers more nicely to what design is about: Color, shape, layout. And it works very well on bright as well as dark backgrounds as the shape simply is transparent and the rest is half-transparent.

I’m also thinking of exploring the »sketching« idea of @jdittrich more.

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jancborchardt commented Jun 10, 2015

That is – I think this refers more nicely to what design is about: Color, shape, layout. And it works very well on bright as well as dark backgrounds as the shape simply is transparent and the rest is half-transparent.

I’m also thinking of exploring the »sketching« idea of @jdittrich more.

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LOVE IT! this is super cool.well done @Xaviju !!!
Why are you guys so obsessed with pink and gradients ;), solid colours are easier to print on merchandise and look more professional, but on the other hand designers and developers of open source world are like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QBHor1ih_Bc/UcHiMyxmjfI/AAAAAAAAAEw/hSrU64vKNrk/s1600/cat-riding-a-fire-breathing-unicorn-16414-1680x1050.jpg :D

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plastelina commented Jun 10, 2015

LOVE IT! this is super cool.well done @Xaviju !!!
Why are you guys so obsessed with pink and gradients ;), solid colours are easier to print on merchandise and look more professional, but on the other hand designers and developers of open source world are like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QBHor1ih_Bc/UcHiMyxmjfI/AAAAAAAAAEw/hSrU64vKNrk/s1600/cat-riding-a-fire-breathing-unicorn-16414-1680x1050.jpg :D

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@jancborchardt I agree, but the logo should still work in b/w to use it for example in an icon font...

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pfefferle commented Jun 10, 2015

@jancborchardt I agree, but the logo should still work in b/w to use it for example in an icon font...

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Yeah I know, it should be simpler to work on an icon font and generally for monochrome. But that doesn’t mean we have to super-simplify the default logo. See Firefox for example, or Travis CI. We can always do a monochrome version of it, I just didn’t do it yet.

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Yeah I know, it should be simpler to work on an icon font and generally for monochrome. But that doesn’t mean we have to super-simplify the default logo. See Firefox for example, or Travis CI. We can always do a monochrome version of it, I just didn’t do it yet.

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Hey all!

Thanks so much for contributing all of your great thoughts, ideas, logos, sketches, etc. This is super awesome, and exactly what I hope for this community. It's great to see you all pitch in, and I'm super appreciative of all of the work you've been doing on this.

However, to prevent this from going on and on with new ideas and concepts, and never end up with a logo, I'm going to suggest that we all agree that a week from today Wednesday the 17th (this gives people a weekend to pitch in ideas as well) we close this topic. If by the end of this week we don't have a clear choice of favorite, we can put things to a vote.

I want everyone's opinions on our logo. Why a particular concept is great, why it fails, etc. I want to make sure that everyone's voice gets a chance to be heard. But I also want a positive conclusion to this conversation.

Let me know if you think this is unfair. I'll copy this to the first issue in this thread as well.

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Hey all!

Thanks so much for contributing all of your great thoughts, ideas, logos, sketches, etc. This is super awesome, and exactly what I hope for this community. It's great to see you all pitch in, and I'm super appreciative of all of the work you've been doing on this.

However, to prevent this from going on and on with new ideas and concepts, and never end up with a logo, I'm going to suggest that we all agree that a week from today Wednesday the 17th (this gives people a weekend to pitch in ideas as well) we close this topic. If by the end of this week we don't have a clear choice of favorite, we can put things to a vote.

I want everyone's opinions on our logo. Why a particular concept is great, why it fails, etc. I want to make sure that everyone's voice gets a chance to be heard. But I also want a positive conclusion to this conversation.

Let me know if you think this is unfair. I'll copy this to the first issue in this thread as well.

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Great point @simonv3 :) We can then have a simple vote after that date

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una commented Jun 10, 2015

Great point @simonv3 :) We can then have a simple vote after that date

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fair enough @simonv3, I can outline a basic guideline for creating the logo this evening, i.e. purpose, colour, shape, etc. like this one http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/07/21/designing-style-guidelines-for-brands-and-websites/?

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plastelina commented Jun 10, 2015

fair enough @simonv3, I can outline a basic guideline for creating the logo this evening, i.e. purpose, colour, shape, etc. like this one http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2010/07/21/designing-style-guidelines-for-brands-and-websites/?

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stemming off @plastelina, I love her ideas with the RGB filters:

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una commented Jun 10, 2015

stemming off @plastelina, I love her ideas with the RGB filters:

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@una @jancborchardt @plastelina I am not sure if it is a good idea to use the opensource logo in that (only little modified) way: http://opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines

The pencil and brush on the other hand are abstract enough I think...

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pfefferle commented Jun 10, 2015

@una @jancborchardt @plastelina I am not sure if it is a good idea to use the opensource logo in that (only little modified) way: http://opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines

The pencil and brush on the other hand are abstract enough I think...

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i'm not opposed to changing out the center icon at all :)

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una commented Jun 10, 2015

i'm not opposed to changing out the center icon at all :)

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Agreed.

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Agreed.

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@pfefferle aren't you missing the point? please see the example- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Open-source-hardware-logo.svg/2000px-Open-source-hardware-logo.svg.png I'm not saying - use open source logo and add things (read elements), use the concept - open door lock. We aren't trying to copy or change the open source logo, we are trying to come up with one that is in line with open source community, at least that was my understanding. The whole point of this thread is to come up with unique logo, not copy open source logo. I think that the fact that it's been used on opensourcedesign.net as representative logo gives people misleading impression that it's a starting point for the ideas. Maybe it's time to think out of this circle (logo) with a lock and head this way? http://ibrandstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/logo-design-trends-1.jpg
http://imgs.abduzeedo.com/files/articles/logo-design-polygons/ink_colourful_1x.jpg
http://a2.files.theultralinx.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTI5MDI0ODc5ODA1OTYxNDkw.jpg
http://www.downgraf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Geometric-and-Polygon-Logo-Designs-33.png
OSD can be beautifully incorporated into the above...
Will read more about it and come back to you in regards to guidelines...

need to run, speak in a bit.

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@pfefferle aren't you missing the point? please see the example- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Open-source-hardware-logo.svg/2000px-Open-source-hardware-logo.svg.png I'm not saying - use open source logo and add things (read elements), use the concept - open door lock. We aren't trying to copy or change the open source logo, we are trying to come up with one that is in line with open source community, at least that was my understanding. The whole point of this thread is to come up with unique logo, not copy open source logo. I think that the fact that it's been used on opensourcedesign.net as representative logo gives people misleading impression that it's a starting point for the ideas. Maybe it's time to think out of this circle (logo) with a lock and head this way? http://ibrandstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/logo-design-trends-1.jpg
http://imgs.abduzeedo.com/files/articles/logo-design-polygons/ink_colourful_1x.jpg
http://a2.files.theultralinx.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTI5MDI0ODc5ODA1OTYxNDkw.jpg
http://www.downgraf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Geometric-and-Polygon-Logo-Designs-33.png
OSD can be beautifully incorporated into the above...
Will read more about it and come back to you in regards to guidelines...

need to run, speak in a bit.

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@plastelina A basic guideline would be good :-)

Below I put some things down which I am wondering about. Maybe they can be of use.

  • 'Colours'. The website http://opensourcedesign.net is monochrome with a splash of blue (for links). Same for the mock-ups for development of this site.

    • A multi-coloured logo will centainly stand out. Is that favoured?
    • If multiple colours, then maybe they can respresent different sides of OSD (design, development, projects, etc.)?
    • Coloured and b/w version important?
    • Will it be used in an icon font? Is that a goal?
  • 'Logo talks'. How can we avoid a logo that could reference to a place where design is presented (instead of a 'design/development hub')?

  • Text yes/no?

    • Can the logo contain text/letters?
    • Will the text 'open source design' be added to the logo?

    (cc @simonv3 @jancborchardt )

@plastelina A basic guideline would be good :-)

Below I put some things down which I am wondering about. Maybe they can be of use.

  • 'Colours'. The website http://opensourcedesign.net is monochrome with a splash of blue (for links). Same for the mock-ups for development of this site.

    • A multi-coloured logo will centainly stand out. Is that favoured?
    • If multiple colours, then maybe they can respresent different sides of OSD (design, development, projects, etc.)?
    • Coloured and b/w version important?
    • Will it be used in an icon font? Is that a goal?
  • 'Logo talks'. How can we avoid a logo that could reference to a place where design is presented (instead of a 'design/development hub')?

  • Text yes/no?

    • Can the logo contain text/letters?
    • Will the text 'open source design' be added to the logo?

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I agree, this has been some awesome collab. Like I mentioned earlier, we've started discussing how we'll reach decisions like this in another thread.

The last few comments in that thread seem to indicate we'll have a call to which everyone is invited on Sunday the 5th of July. Pitch in if that works / doesn't work for you. Pitch in if you have thoughts about how to reach consensus, etc.

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I agree, this has been some awesome collab. Like I mentioned earlier, we've started discussing how we'll reach decisions like this in another thread.

The last few comments in that thread seem to indicate we'll have a call to which everyone is invited on Sunday the 5th of July. Pitch in if that works / doesn't work for you. Pitch in if you have thoughts about how to reach consensus, etc.

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Just wondering from a branding standpoint. What do we want this logo to conceive? Is there a certain "feeling" we are aiming for?

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Just wondering from a branding standpoint. What do we want this logo to conceive? Is there a certain "feeling" we are aiming for?

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@Bojhan what feelings do you think it should have?

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@Bojhan what feelings do you think it should have?

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Just realized I hadn't posted this here yet, but every logo in this thread now automatically gets added to this page on the website: http://opensourcedesign.net/logos. I tried to do the best I could with sizing etc.

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Just realized I hadn't posted this here yet, but every logo in this thread now automatically gets added to this page on the website: http://opensourcedesign.net/logos. I tried to do the best I could with sizing etc.

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@simonv3 👍 good stuff! :)

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plastelina commented Jul 9, 2015

@simonv3 👍 good stuff! :)

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Well I decided to give it a go and made this soft cornered version of the open source icon.

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Well I decided to give it a go and made this soft cornered version of the open source icon.

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This is the best one I've seen yet @gillisig, good work!

This is the best one I've seen yet @gillisig, good work!

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@gillisig yeah … simple and it rocks!

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@gillisig yeah … simple and it rocks!

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I like the typeface a lot on that last one by @gillisig :)

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I like the typeface a lot on that last one by @gillisig :)

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@gillisig Yes, like the type face. The color does a neat trick to my eyes when scrolling (purplish outlines).
For the icon itself, the form, does this resemble a sausage (Wurst)? No ill meaning. It could be a hilarious side effect, if that is what we want.

@gillisig Yes, like the type face. The color does a neat trick to my eyes when scrolling (purplish outlines).
For the icon itself, the form, does this resemble a sausage (Wurst)? No ill meaning. It could be a hilarious side effect, if that is what we want.

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I love @Xaviju 's version. It's simple and elegant. I strongly believe we should go with that :)

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I love @Xaviju 's version. It's simple and elegant. I strongly believe we should go with that :)

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I’m really particular about us not using the brush. It puts too much emphasis on »art«.

My favorites are:

If anyone is up for another proposal, maybe we should play around more with a logo on the topic of sketching / mockups / planning.

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I’m really particular about us not using the brush. It puts too much emphasis on »art«.

My favorites are:

If anyone is up for another proposal, maybe we should play around more with a logo on the topic of sketching / mockups / planning.

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Maybe we should set a deadline on making a decision? And give everybody 1-2 votes?

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Maybe we should set a deadline on making a decision? And give everybody 1-2 votes?

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Well, we don’t need to find a perfect logo in the first iteration. It would be good if people interested/invested in this could just state what they lean to, as I did above. Then we can see maybe which direction we want to explore more.

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Well, we don’t need to find a perfect logo in the first iteration. It would be good if people interested/invested in this could just state what they lean to, as I did above. Then we can see maybe which direction we want to explore more.

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The brush is not an icon which limits itself to art, I wouldn't see that as an argument to not use a brush in the logo. @jancborchardt

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The brush is not an icon which limits itself to art, I wouldn't see that as an argument to not use a brush in the logo. @jancborchardt

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Okay! I think it's past time to take a survey and see how people feel. Anyone have any tools they recommend? Preferably hosted, but I can throw up something quick too.

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Okay! I think it's past time to take a survey and see how people feel. Anyone have any tools they recommend? Preferably hosted, but I can throw up something quick too.

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I personaly feel that none of the logos is strong enough to represent open source design, can we just hold on with this one...promote fosdem more and maybe suggest logo competition at fosdem this year? I don't think there is a clear mission, message behind current designs...the fact that we are using art tools in a circle is quite qimmicky, literal and weak. Can we wait with the actual logo and maybe attack the subject around November?

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I personaly feel that none of the logos is strong enough to represent open source design, can we just hold on with this one...promote fosdem more and maybe suggest logo competition at fosdem this year? I don't think there is a clear mission, message behind current designs...the fact that we are using art tools in a circle is quite qimmicky, literal and weak. Can we wait with the actual logo and maybe attack the subject around November?

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Wouldn't iterative design be a great way to represent open source design? Pick a logo, and make improvements as we go. If we wait for the perfect logo we could be logoless for a long time.

What steps do you think we should take @plastelina to avoid a weak logo? We could still carry the conversation while preparing for Fosdem; what process would help us the best here?

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Wouldn't iterative design be a great way to represent open source design? Pick a logo, and make improvements as we go. If we wait for the perfect logo we could be logoless for a long time.

What steps do you think we should take @plastelina to avoid a weak logo? We could still carry the conversation while preparing for Fosdem; what process would help us the best here?

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One of the options in the vote could be "None of these are good enough"

One of the options in the vote could be "None of these are good enough"

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I think we have amazing start already, there are a lot of great propositions @GarthDB . I'm not a logo designer, but there are great logo designer already in this group. As a designer I do struggle with a middle management problem and I think that is what we are hitting here - to much talking not much doing and mostly, diluting designs and leaving us all with too many choices. When I work with a client I normally suggest two option - never more, otherwise job won't be done for ages...

My suggestion would be to write a brief ( I've already shared a logo design checklist), so ask yourself ( as in all of us) : what would you like this logo to represent and what message would you like to send? How close does it have to mimic the opensource existing logo or at all? and keep it simple (maybe just open source design in good font would be enough for the start). ( I've got a feeling that somewhere in these posts there is a collection of thoughts on this topic so maybe someone faster then me with great searching/summary skills could pick it up and wrap it in one post and he have brief ready - voilà! :) )

I've done some research (please don't take it personally) and @una could be the person to lead the logo design, she is very good at this and have some amazing ideas. Her logos are very creative and fun, also simple and most importantly spot on briefs. Maybe if @una would agree and everyone else would chip in to create a brief we could achieve the goal sooner :). yay/nay?

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On the other hand, some famous logos took 100 years to develop, so we've got plenty of time 😸 💃 , i.e., http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/logo-evolution/

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I would like to design a poster for FOSDEM 2015 dev/design room this year and post it here so everyone can print it and share it in their home town/uni/work maybe twitter or keep it :), also if we will manage to establish a logo I'm happy to get it ready for print for t-shirts, badges, pencils, stickers,etc. if that's the case.

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I think we have amazing start already, there are a lot of great propositions @GarthDB . I'm not a logo designer, but there are great logo designer already in this group. As a designer I do struggle with a middle management problem and I think that is what we are hitting here - to much talking not much doing and mostly, diluting designs and leaving us all with too many choices. When I work with a client I normally suggest two option - never more, otherwise job won't be done for ages...

My suggestion would be to write a brief ( I've already shared a logo design checklist), so ask yourself ( as in all of us) : what would you like this logo to represent and what message would you like to send? How close does it have to mimic the opensource existing logo or at all? and keep it simple (maybe just open source design in good font would be enough for the start). ( I've got a feeling that somewhere in these posts there is a collection of thoughts on this topic so maybe someone faster then me with great searching/summary skills could pick it up and wrap it in one post and he have brief ready - voilà! :) )

I've done some research (please don't take it personally) and @una could be the person to lead the logo design, she is very good at this and have some amazing ideas. Her logos are very creative and fun, also simple and most importantly spot on briefs. Maybe if @una would agree and everyone else would chip in to create a brief we could achieve the goal sooner :). yay/nay?

Fun Fact
On the other hand, some famous logos took 100 years to develop, so we've got plenty of time 😸 💃 , i.e., http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/logo-evolution/

cc: @simonv3 @jancborchardt @MariekevC @gillisig

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I would like to design a poster for FOSDEM 2015 dev/design room this year and post it here so everyone can print it and share it in their home town/uni/work maybe twitter or keep it :), also if we will manage to establish a logo I'm happy to get it ready for print for t-shirts, badges, pencils, stickers,etc. if that's the case.

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@plastelina I'm a big fan of having a creative director even if it's on a project by project basis. @una is an excellent choice if she has the time/energy.

The stuck in committee problem is solved by having an owner. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't provide input but ultimately someone has to make a decision; even if that decision is to vote (not my favorite decision strategy but better than indecision).

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@plastelina I'm a big fan of having a creative director even if it's on a project by project basis. @una is an excellent choice if she has the time/energy.

The stuck in committee problem is solved by having an owner. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't provide input but ultimately someone has to make a decision; even if that decision is to vote (not my favorite decision strategy but better than indecision).

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Agreed with both @plastelina and @GarthDB.

Here's my answers to @plastelina's questions:

What would you like this logo to represent and what message would you like to send?

Open Source Design is a community of designers and developers who want to push design in Open Source further.

How close does it have to mimic the opensource existing logo or at all?

I'm not too fussed about this - but I do like the neat connection. On the other hand, I'm wary that we're being too liberal with the Open Source design logo - it has a variety of restrictions. If someone comes up with something completely new that fits, I'd be all for that.

Are you open to evolution of the logo? (I added this myself)

Yes!

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Agreed with both @plastelina and @GarthDB.

Here's my answers to @plastelina's questions:

What would you like this logo to represent and what message would you like to send?

Open Source Design is a community of designers and developers who want to push design in Open Source further.

How close does it have to mimic the opensource existing logo or at all?

I'm not too fussed about this - but I do like the neat connection. On the other hand, I'm wary that we're being too liberal with the Open Source design logo - it has a variety of restrictions. If someone comes up with something completely new that fits, I'd be all for that.

Are you open to evolution of the logo? (I added this myself)

Yes!

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How about we keep the logo simple?
Here's something I made:
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How about we keep the logo simple?
Here's something I made:
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@razetime it seems a little dark :/ especially think about using it in various places

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@razetime it seems a little dark :/ especially think about using it in various places

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@una Yes, it is rark, but we can lighten it for use in different areas.

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@una Yes, it is rark, but we can lighten it for use in different areas.

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@razetime it's so dark I can barely see the definition of the open source icon. I think the basic criteria we are aiming for are both:

  1. Contrasted enough that it can be a single color on any color background + be discernible
  2. Expressive of "open source" as well as something "design" related

Many of the treatments above (mine included) fail at the first criteria by themselves, since they are elaborate + multi-colored, but they are building on top of monochrome foundations of others. It's important to keep that in mind :)

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@razetime it's so dark I can barely see the definition of the open source icon. I think the basic criteria we are aiming for are both:

  1. Contrasted enough that it can be a single color on any color background + be discernible
  2. Expressive of "open source" as well as something "design" related

Many of the treatments above (mine included) fail at the first criteria by themselves, since they are elaborate + multi-colored, but they are building on top of monochrome foundations of others. It's important to keep that in mind :)

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Hey all!

So, that's enough logo options I think. As a group of volunteers, I don't think anyone has a significant amount of time to take a lead on logo design, or taking the time to appoint someone to do so. After talking with some people on the IRC channel I put up a survey asking people to indicate their favorite logo.

You can take the survey here.

You can enter your favorite choice and your second favorite choice. This will be a simplified single transferable vote survey. That means that if your first choice comes last in the first round (so it gets eliminated), your second choice vote will be counted as well, etc until there's a clear winner. The results are stored anonymously, so I'll publish them once they're done (unless people have a major objection?).

If you have a better idea, please tell us. There's a special comment box. It can be anonymous, but I'd prefer for it to be actionable, and that you are willing to take the lead on this. Your idea might be great and the best way to do it, but if no one acts on it than it won't happen. (See: this thread).

I'm going to close this topic to prevent more options from appearing. If you think this is wrong, ping me on IRC or on twitter (@simonv3 on both), or any of the other people who can open it again. Also you can open another issue for discussion purposes specifically.

(The reason this took so long is because I couldn't find a suitable open source survey tool. If you want to help me build this one out more, come check it out ;))

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Hey all!

So, that's enough logo options I think. As a group of volunteers, I don't think anyone has a significant amount of time to take a lead on logo design, or taking the time to appoint someone to do so. After talking with some people on the IRC channel I put up a survey asking people to indicate their favorite logo.

You can take the survey here.

You can enter your favorite choice and your second favorite choice. This will be a simplified single transferable vote survey. That means that if your first choice comes last in the first round (so it gets eliminated), your second choice vote will be counted as well, etc until there's a clear winner. The results are stored anonymously, so I'll publish them once they're done (unless people have a major objection?).

If you have a better idea, please tell us. There's a special comment box. It can be anonymous, but I'd prefer for it to be actionable, and that you are willing to take the lead on this. Your idea might be great and the best way to do it, but if no one acts on it than it won't happen. (See: this thread).

I'm going to close this topic to prevent more options from appearing. If you think this is wrong, ping me on IRC or on twitter (@simonv3 on both), or any of the other people who can open it again. Also you can open another issue for discussion purposes specifically.

(The reason this took so long is because I couldn't find a suitable open source survey tool. If you want to help me build this one out more, come check it out ;))

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Hey all! Just a ping to all involved. I'll be closing the survey in 3 days (it will have been open for two weeks). Someone's reached out to offer to lead a real design charge on this (I'll be in touch). I'll publish the results and a link to the anonymized CSV file. Then I'll discuss with the person who stepped forward whether they'd be okay with using the winner as an interim logo.

If you want to share around the survey one final time, now's your chance.

I'll create a new issue with the results and what I propose to do. Also, please check out the bylaws issue: opensourcedesign/organization#12

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Hey all! Just a ping to all involved. I'll be closing the survey in 3 days (it will have been open for two weeks). Someone's reached out to offer to lead a real design charge on this (I'll be in touch). I'll publish the results and a link to the anonymized CSV file. Then I'll discuss with the person who stepped forward whether they'd be okay with using the winner as an interim logo.

If you want to share around the survey one final time, now's your chance.

I'll create a new issue with the results and what I propose to do. Also, please check out the bylaws issue: opensourcedesign/organization#12

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@simonv3 that's great news.

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GarthDB commented Oct 7, 2015

@simonv3 that's great news.

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@simonv3 good stuff! Unfortunately I was on vacation exactly those 2 weeks and missed the survey. But I guess enough people voted. :)

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jancborchardt commented Oct 11, 2015

@simonv3 good stuff! Unfortunately I was on vacation exactly those 2 weeks and missed the survey. But I guess enough people voted. :)

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@jancborchardt Bummer! Sorry to hear that. 28 people voted - which is a good amount, but I kind of wish it had been more. See results in #28.

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simonv3 commented Oct 26, 2015

@jancborchardt Bummer! Sorry to hear that. 28 people voted - which is a good amount, but I kind of wish it had been more. See results in #28.

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