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Warning for track with missing tracktype #5835
As stated in #3718 and #3823, tracktype is an important tag for tracks and large numbers of OSM ways currently do not have it. In the interest of visualising the scale of the problem and reminding the user to set a tracktype when creating a track, could tracks without a valid tracktype be drawn in a different colour so that the missing tag was obvious? There is already a visual differentiation between grade1 (solid) and other tracks, so maybe this could be extended for unknown tracktype too.
Yes, I know that the forthcoming KeepRight layer will identify missing tracktype, but not every mapper will know about or use this and KeepRight is often days behind the current database. So having the tracks highlighted on the live editing map would still be useful.
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Track type is important, so highlight tracks with missing tag on map
Feb 2, 2019
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Mar 25, 2019
I really don't know how big this problem is but, since KeepRight was included in ID, it's cleary the most important problem I can see (maybe because I'm working on maps in south America and there are a lot of very small roads with highway=track).
So I think that to wait that a nice guy correct all the missing tracktype is just a big dream.
You really should think about a new solution :
I clearly prefer the first solution because the second solution is included in it and because it will solved all the bugs in OSM that nobody will never changed (I'm sure of that : if you do nothing, I will be back here in 2 years to show you I'm right).
For your informations, when I drive on roads (track or others), I never put tracktype but smoothness and maxspeed to tell that the road is ok for normal car or that you need a 4x4 car (for examples) and to tell that the road can be drive at 50 miles per hour or at 10 miles per hour, informations clearly more relevant than the tracktype.
Up to now, when I saw a tracktype missing, I changed the highway=track to highway=unclassified+surface=unpaved to be able to close the KeepRight. But now I will do nothing because the missing tracktype is clarly a false problem.
I put a copy of this message on OSM because I understand that this issue is not really an ID's issue.
You should really set the roads to whatever the correct classification is:
It sounds like the map around you has a lot of roads classified incorrectly, so defaulting
You really don't have to do that, we believe you.
In many cases tracktype requires survey and is not mappable from aerial images.
In general it is true, but:
This is an extremely narrow view that just doesn't work at all outside of Europe.
You can look at old issues for why, but iD has many good reasons for rejecting the OSM Wiki and European definition of
So iD deliberately pushes "probably not safe for most cars" as a definition for
From looking for example at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa it seems that
is not universally shared
It's reasons like this why I'm pretty much done with OSM these days, and I basically just disregard everything on the tagging mailing list and the OSM wiki.
Try to imagine that there are places in this world where you can drive for many hours, not encounter any farms or forests, then get your car damaged badly enough that you are stuck there to die. This really happens. What tag would you use for a road like that?
We've been through this many times before, and I'm not interested in debating it anymore today, or ever.