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Add Zia sun symbol for New Mexico shield #323
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We also considered standardizing all of the rounded shields on “elongated circles” (what you’re calling a “stadium”), but I guess we ended up implementing a mix for some reason. Either shape is recognizable to Kentuckians, but the ovals are more common on maps that don’t display state-specific shields. If we ever get around to addressing issues like rectangular shields looking far too big compared to custom shields, then the rounded rectangle and oval shields will also be impacted. Even among maps that apply a generic state route shield, ovals tend to be less compact. That said, the current rounded rectangle implementation doesn’t represent the elongated circle faithfully, because the corner radius isn’t large enough. |
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Using a 9px radius instead looks a lot more circley. Though we still have issues with clipping (#301), and at 100% zoom, there's a lot of extra whitespace around the numeral. |
I was arguing the same "standarize on one shape" line in #117 back in January, though I was pushing for elongated circles at the time. However, with many shield designs moving closer to the real world signs and farther from abstract representation, I suppose I'm perfectly happy to see the slight distinction between ovals and elongated circles matching real world usage. This is a map style by and for road geeks after all. |
Good point. I'm okay with keeping this distinction, though this still leaves one question. Which design should we use for circles that don't expand for 3 digits? It looks like geometric stadiums were agreed upon for Iowa, New Mexico and secondary Virginia, but I introduced ovals for the Virgin Islands in #250. Whatever we decide upon, I just want to make sure it's consistent. |
There are states that just cram a 3 digit number into a circle? 😱Heathens! I think we can all agree that deviating from real world shields in these cases with a wide variant is a good idea. Bit of a toss up, but I guess I'd say go with the geometric stadiums/elongated circles. What do others think? |
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Either way, West Virginia county routes will need some special attention once we get around to fixing #13: |
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The Zia spikes seem to blend in with the backdrop a bit, do they need some kind of halo? |
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Would we be applying a halo to the whole shield, or just the spikes? Either way, it'd be the first shield with a halo effect, and I worry it wouldn't look good in context. |
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Shields with light text on a dark background, like the interstate shields, have halos. It definitely helps them stand out better when they have low contrast with objects below. This one would be the first dark text on light background with a halo. Seems worth seeing what it would look like at least. |
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We don't have many shields that are red on the outside. Offhand maybe one of the Yukon ones, but they barely have roads to conflict with up there 😂. To me, the red outline has a not-great contrast with charcoal or red roads. Though I acknowledge that this is probably also a problem on the existing map. |
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I think this looks good! |
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A cursory internet search indicates that the Zia Pueblo cares a lot about the usage of this symbol by non-natives (see PDF). While they don't own a trademark over the symbol, they do request that others ask for their permission before using it. I can't find anything that says the New Mexico Department of Transportation's usage of the Zia symbol on highway shields is respectfully permitted. I'm hesitant to assume that the Zia symbol on highway shields is condoned, and regardless, I'd still like to ask permission before incorporating it into a new project. I'll do some research on who to ask and how. |
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Need to resolve conflicts |
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Here's an email to the Zia Pueblo I've got drafted:
Thoughts, additions, objections? |
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Since you’re linking to the demo page, consider emphasizing that it’s still a work in progress. After all, this style isn’t showing any reservation boundaries yet: #105. |
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Replacing the paragraph after the links:
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Here's the final version I sent:
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How long should we wait for a response? |
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I'm not sure. Maybe we could call the tribe? They have a phone number listed at the bottom of their contact page. |
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I'm comfortable with the email reach-out being sufficient and following NMDOT's lead if you want to proceed with this. |
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I re-sent the email. If I don't get a response in a week or so, I'll try calling them. Failing that, I'll close this PR—I think it's important for us to be certain that NMDOT is using this symbol with respect and permission before replicating it on a digital map. |
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There seems to be a request form here: It is linked from this page: https://www.ziapueblo.org/ |
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I've resent the email to info@ziapueblo.org, with the form and a few example screenshots attached. |
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Good news! The Zia Pueblo has generously granted us permission to use the Sun Symbol. Full response (with personal info and payment details redacted):
I'll just need to resolve some conflicts, and this PR will be ready. Edit (2024-11-26): If you're reading this and you'd like to donate to the Zia Pueblo as well, they accept checks mailed to:
Checks should be made out to the Pueblo of Zia Scholarship Fund. If your bank app requires the payee's phone number, it's (505) 867-3304. |
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Changes the shields of Iowa, Kentucky, New Mexico and Virginia (secondary) to use
circleShield()instead ofroundedRectShield(). I intentionally left this out of the previous PR because it's a stylistic choice and it'd need more discussion.For shields that are circle-shaped for 1 or 2 digits, behavior is different when expanding to 3 or more digits. Delaware, Mississippi and New Jersey use an oval. Kentucky uses a geometric stadium. Iowa, New Mexico, and the secondaries of Virginia maintain a circle and compress the text, though they have been assigned stadium shapes in this project.
In my opinion, this distinction is not worth keeping. All of these networks are just as recognizable if we stick to one shape for shields with 3 or more digits. I think ovals look better than stadiums for these cases.
(Note that this does not change
network=CA:ON:private_toll, which would be unrecognizable without the stadium shape, and is probably a good candidate for an SVG shield anyway.)before:

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