Retag Honey Baked Ham

[1ec5]

Like Boston Market, Honey Baked Ham is a fast food restaurant chain that also sells larger portions of meat to go. Like Arby’s, Honey Baked Ham is not a butcher shop, though it shares a lot in common with butcher shops.

Previously the stores were branded HoneyBaked Ham (or, more fully, The HoneyBaked Ham Company). Recently they adopted a new logo and tweaked the name to The Honey Baked Ham Company, but HoneyBaked still appears in some of their marketing materials, perhaps only as the name of the prepared ham product.

[bhousel]

Calling it a fast food seems odd to me. I don't think people eat-in there.

FWIW, Google calls it a deli:

OSM's definition of deli kind of fits..
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Ddeli

[Adamant36]

I don't think people eat-in there.

(maybe there could be a different entry for the cafes)

[bhousel]

Oh cool.. I guess the “and Cafe” and “express” formats have some dining options.. I think the one near me really is just a ham store, but I haven’t checked it out yet.

[1ec5]

OSM's definition of deli kind of fits

OSM’s definition of shop=deli has always been very clear about applying to what Americans call “gourmet food”. It’s unfortunate that there’s no tag for American-style delis other than shop=convenience or cuisine=sandwich, or for meat stores that aren’t butchers. Honey Baked Ham is higher-end than most American delis, but I don’t think it fits shop=deli any more than Boston Market would.

I don't think people eat-in there.

We have Papa Murphy’s as amenity=fast_food too, even though it sells ready-to-bake pizzas. If some Honey Baked Ham stores don’t have dine-in, perhaps we should leave out takeaway=yes and give mappers the opportunity to set it to takeaway=only? After all, like the Express location pictured above, Auntie Annie’s rarely has seating, but it’s still fast_food.

[bhousel]

I feel like we might be talking about different things..

I don't think this brand has anything in common with Auntie Annes or Arbys or Boston Market, or any of the examples you gave. I'd prefer to avoid merging until I can go over to the store and see it in person.

It might not be a "butcher" but it's definitely not "fast food" in any sense of the word. It's more like an Omaha Steaks or something.

[tas50]

Seems like if they have a cafe model we should tag those as Honeybaked Ham & Cafe. They shouldn't get lumped into one. It's no worse than Dairy Queen vs. DQ Grill & Chill, which are unique in the index and are probably 90% the same.

[1ec5]

It might not be a "butcher" but it's definitely not "fast food" in any sense of the word. It's more like an Omaha Steaks or something.

Ideally there would be a tag that covers meat stores in general without being as specific as shop=butcher, which connotes freshness/rawness. Or a tag for a store that sells take-home meals that aren’t frozen.

[tas50]

butcher seems to cover it pretty well based on the description in the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dbutcher

[1ec5]

I don't think this brand has anything in common with Auntie Annes or Arbys or Boston Market, or any of the examples you gave.

Obviously I was straining for analogies. 😉 Where I’m from, Honey Baked Ham and Boston Market are where you go for a full-fledged family meal in a bag on holidays. One does ham and the other does chicken. But both also serve individual lunches dine-in or carry-out. I had never seen a standalone Honey Baked Ham ham store before.

butcher seems to cover it pretty well based on the description in the wiki

To me, the shop=butcher page (even without my recent edit) seems to align shop=butcher pretty closely to the common meaning of “butcher”: a store that sells mainly uncooked steaks, ground pork, and the like. Prepared meats such as sausages and hams would be found at a delicatessen, on both sides of the pond, though naturally some stores span both categories.

The only reason I hesitated about shop=deli in #3082 (comment) is that I’ve always associated Honey Baked Ham with the deli-café format. If we end up splitting the entry in two, one for deli-cafés and the other for standalone ham stores, then I agree with @bhousel about shop=deli being a good fit for the latter.

[bhousel]

Ok - so I went on a fact finding mission to the Honey Baked Ham Company the other day...

This store near me does not have an "and Cafe" in the name. They did have a few tables inside and they did have a one page menu, so I guess people could eat sandwiches and salads there, but the focus really seemed to be on selling the hams and mustards and stuff. I really think shop=deli is a better fit for the place near me, but I'm just going to merge this anyway. I think calling it a fast food is a stretch but ok.

[1ec5]

They did have a few tables inside and they did have a one page menu, so I guess people could eat sandwiches and salads there, but the focus really seemed to be on selling the hams and mustards and stuff. I really think shop=deli is a better fit for the place near me

Yeah, I agree it isn’t clear-cut. I think different people are going to look at the same stores and draw the line (or slice the ham) differently. In the extreme case, Meijer stores have tables near the deli and bakery sections, but it’s a stretch to call those sections fast food restaurants, because the tables are mostly for show.

[bhousel]

Yeah, I agree it isn’t clear-cut. I think different people are going to look at the same stores and draw the line (or slice the ham) differently. In the extreme case, Meijer stores have tables near the deli and bakery sections, but it’s a stretch to call those sections fast food restaurants, because the tables are mostly for show.

Yep, I was thinking about this.. Bakeries, delis, butchers, small groceries sometimes have tables to eat at, and that's fine. Really I think the main reason to choose one tag over another is just so the map marker is drawn with a good icon and the map doesn't look weird. (Honey Baked Ham tagged as a fast food will probably show a burger icon on the map pins, and yes that is weird).