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IRC meeting for October 2013, there is also 2013-10 Meeting IRC Log.
Do we want to use some extra services Conservancy provides? See http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/
Do we want to have separate bank account?
Please be aware that FSA does not require Conservancy to keep a
separate bank account for each project. However, we usually keep some
of your funds in a segregated account for projects with larger
balances, mainly to be sure we properly credit your earmarked account
with interest earned. If you prefer your funds to be in a segregated
account, please let us know and we'll try to accommodate the project.
Note that banking fees are particularly expensive for accounts less
Do we want to receive donations using MissionFish?
Conservancy also has a relationship with MissionFish
(www.missionfish.com) is eBay's nonprofit partner; they
provide services that allows eBay sellers to donate some or
all of their sales revenue to registered charities (with
MissionFish taking a small %age as overhead). MissionFish
also enables registered charities to host auctions on eBay
without incurring transaction fees. Receiving donations is
easy; hosting auctions is a bit more complicated.
--Nijel 09:12, 8 October 2013 (CEST)
- We see no need for a seperate account. The income generated by the interest would not outweigh the cost, because our balance would not be that high.
- MissionFish : Postponed until we have more info on how this works.
pma is not mobile-ready yet. For database admins be able to use pma while abroad, we should think about how to support a wider range of target platforms, such as smartphones and tablets. Auto-detect mobile users and/or use responsive CSS? Touchability with enough margins for avoiding mis-clicks?
--Mynetx 19:17, 24 August 2013 (CEST)
Please discuss this topic with or without me. I assume you know what I am referring to. (If not: Take a look at http://jumpgap.biz/ with smartphone, tablet PC and/or desktop browser.)
Mynetx 10:40, 8 October 2013 (CEST)
This could be a GSoC 2014 project. But first we need to find out how we would make pma more mobile friendly : reduced feature set?, responsive CSS, ... Discussion on developer's mailing list and on the Mobile version wiki page.
https://sourceforge.net/p/phpmyadmin/feature-requests/1458/ - Can we add an auto-updater that helps users to stay on top of the newest releases?
- Add $cfg entry, default enabled, distributions would need to turn it off for their package managers to control updates
- Need to support direct filesystem writing as well as localhost FTP - see WordPress auto-updater
- Would love to support partial update files - see WP too
- Different branches (STABLE / QA_CURRENT / MASTER)?
- ETA: 4.2?
- If too lengthy discussion or more ideas needed, delay topic to October meeting.
--Mynetx 13:16, 8 September 2013 (CEST)
Marc doesn't think auto-updating would work in practice. Most phpMyAdmin installation are probably on a shared server where (normally) the web server's effective user does not have write rights to the install folder (otherwise the security risk would be high).
The update link should only displayed for users with root rights. --Mynetx 13:58, 11 September 2013 (CEST)
Proposal rejected, because the cost/advantage factor in development time in regard to the number of users who would benefit from this is too low. It would require write-access to the webserver user, which poses a security risk.
Feedback from this year's GSoC? Anything that needs to be talked about at the mentor summit?
--Ruleant 19:19, 11 September 2013 (CEST)
- Overall a good year. Student activity a bit low at the moment, but we'll get in touch with them and ask them to solve bugs.
- Preparing for GSoC 2014 :
After seeing many questions related to server issues, asked on stackoverflow, we should modify our support page, to mention that server-related issues should be asked on serverfault.com.
We could give an example of a question that should be asked on stackoverflow.com, and of another one that should be directed to serverfault.com.
Look at Burhan Khalid's comment here:
--Lem9 18:52, 25 September 2013 (CEST)
Agreed to change the support page, to redirect to either stackoverflow.com or serverfault.com. Lem9 will make the changes.
Pull request: Audio notification
Let's discuss the fate of https://github.com/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin/pull/639
--Lem9 21:44, 2 October 2013 (CEST)
Feature rejected, pull request closed.
Next version roadmap
Assuming no big surprises come out of 4.1.0-alpha2, I suggest -beta1 next week.
--Lem9 14:10, 7 October 2013 (CEST)
- issues with error reporting server : issue #4418 and issue #4413, no show stoppers for beta.
- First beta planned for October 16th.
- After series of beta releases with no more apparent bugs : time for release candidates
- Git :
- feature and big changes stop for master branch : only bugfixes
- QA_4_1 branch will be created at release of first release candidate
- no translateable strings can be changed in QA_4_1, to give translaters time to bring their language up to date
Question whether to register or not trademark has been opened by Conservancy:
I note that the name "phpMyAdmin" has not been registered on behalf of the project. I think we should file an application to register it as a trademark in the US. While pMA has acquired some common law rights to the "phpMyAdmin" trademark simply through the project's activities, registering the mark will further solidify pMA's claim to the brand that represents your collective investment, and will allow Conservancy to defend that brand from attack if necessary.
I bring this up in part because Denver Gingerich, Conservancy's Compliance Engineer, brought this website to my attention: http://www.phpmoadmin.com/
Now, I'm not determining whether pMA should or shouldn't allow unaffiliated projects from using a similar name. We let each project decide how strict or liberal it wants to be regarding others' use of its mark. I can even draft a TM policy governing the use of pMA's name and logo, based on pMA's common law trademark rights. However, having a registered TM will give any TM policy I write stronger teeth - and it will help prevent the "phpMoAdmin"s of the world from registering their mark in the future.
Filing a TM application will cost the project $275 in fees (per class). Conservancy will handle the legal work, and any necessary follow up. If we're able to successfully register the mark, Conservancy, as pMA's nonprofit corporate home, would hold the resulting TM registration on pMA's behalf.
--Nijel 08:55, 8 October 2013 (CEST)
- All in favour to register phpMyAdmin as a trademark in the USA. In general no objection against products like phpMoAdmin, PhpLdapAdmin, phpPgAdmin, but we do have a problem with impersonators whose aim is to earn money on the phpMyAdmin name and reputation.
- Consult Conservancy about :
- international trademarks
- how to get phpmyadmin.org and phpmyadmin.com (what would it cost in legal fees + chance of obtaining the domain name)