Marc9: Hi nijel
nijel: Hi Marc9
Marc9: Who wants to run the thing?
Marc9: Hi madhuracj
madhuracj: HI Marc
Marc9: We start in three minutes
ibennetch-mobile: Sorry I can't help run the meeting or post the log today.
Marc9: If there is no volunteer I can do both plus updating the wiki
nijel: Marc9: I was just about to write same, but you were faster
Marc9: nijel, please do it, even if I was faster
nijel: so first topic: Supporting Conservancy defend the GPL
nijel: the suggestion on mailing list was to donate $200
Marc9: I am in favor, 200 USD or more
madhuracj: I am also in favor
zixtor: I am in favor of supporting that cause and $200 is fine by me..
Marc9: Hi smita786 ("salut connasse")
ibennetch-mobile: More is okay for me.
_dstorm: I am also in favor
smita786: Hi marc
_dstorm: by more how much you mean?
smita786: I am also in favor
ibennetch-mobile: Perhaps $500?
_dstorm: we should come up with some figure
Marc9: I'm ok with 500 USD
nijel: $500 is okay for me
zixtor: fine by me too
_dstorm: okay for me as well
nijel: looks like this was fast, so I will say this to Bradley
smita786: 500 USD sounds good
nijel: next topic: Supporting Conservancy in general
Marc9: I asked about this, because they mention having money problem
Marc9: Revenues from projects don't pay for a single staff member
ibennetch-mobile: They already get some portion of our donations, but we could donate a bit more. I don't object.
nijel: That's true, most of funds needed to run Conservancy come from sponsors
zixtor: So in face of it our donation is going to very humble, anyway I support to commit an yearly amount for it..
_dstorm: page says about annual supporter program
Marc9: Should we commit for the annual 120 USD?
smita786: how much are we donating as of now ?
_dstorm: or more?
Marc9: smita we donate 10%
zixtor: I think that's just the starter amount?
zixtor: maybe we can do more
Marc9: this is the starter for an individual
Marc9: We could give let's say 4 x 120 USD
Marc9: per year
zixtor: smita786, we don't donate as of now I think, we just pay a fee as percentage
nijel: maybe it would be better to agree on higher percentages with them?
Marc9: zixtor thanks for the clarification
ibennetch-mobile: I prefer to make a donation rather than adjusting our percentage. That way we can easily adjust the amount if we desire.
Marc9: nijel we could do that but maybe it would be more complex
ibennetch-mobile: 4x120 USD seems okay to start.
madhuracj: I also prefer donations rather than adjusting the percentage
smita786: I am also fine with 4x120 USD
Marc9: If we do that for two years, we'll get 8 t-shirts
zixtor: Fine by me as well. and t-shirts sound cool
nijel: sounds good, but I guess we will first have to clarify that with conservancy, whether paying conservancy supporter from project funds is okay or we need to find other way....
Marc9: nijel I bet they will accept!
Marc9: nijel please ask them
nijel: I'm sure they will find some way to do that, but still we need to follow IRS regulations
nijel: anyway it seems that we have consensus on this one as well
nijel: next topic: Users mailing list
_dstorm: I am in favor of deletion after getting a backup of it if possible
madhuracj: In favor of deleting
nijel: I was about to say same thing as _dstorm
ibennetch-mobile: Same for me
smita786: I'll also vote for deletion
_dstorm: can we get a backup of it?
Marc9: and if it's not possible to get a backup?
_dstorm: then can we close subscription and messages to it?
Marc9: IMO a backup is not really important, these are old discussions
Marc9: dstorm, it's already closed
Marc9: but I can ask SourceForge about getting a backup
ibennetch-mobile: I say delete regardless of whether we can back it up. Check in to it but don't save it if it's not possible.
nijel: looking at the admin interface, we can also set the visibility to hidden - the archive stays there, but not visible...
udan11: I'm sorry for intruding, but can't you make it private?
_dstorm: If its really old then I am fine with deletion
nijel: ...but trying to do that leads to Error 500
_dstorm: nijel and udan11 that is also a good solution
Marc9: Ok I'll ask SF and tell the team about having a backup
_dstorm: we can ask sourceforge about backup and if not possible then we can go with deletion
nijel: okay, agreed
nijel: next one: Themes
Marc9: Madhura, would you update a few older themes?
madhuracj: We didnt receive much themes from community recently
_dstorm: its nice to have few more themes
Marc9: I was told that darkblue-orange is good for color-blind users; anybody knows a color-blind person?
madhuracj: The theme page has themes compatible with older versions
madhuracj: So i think it makes sense to put some effort into it
nijel: do we really want to ship themes separately? we don't get external contributions anyway and having it with the code would make it easier to maintain...
_dstorm: maybe we have to take google's help here for color blind theme
nijel: also having colorblind friendly theme in defaults themes set sounds like a good idea
madhuracj: @nijel: agreed
Marc9: nijel it depends on how many new themes we would have; we already got complaints about the size of the kit
Marc9: I would gladly get rid of "Original"
_dstorm: one color blind theme in default set and others as separate
nijel: Marc9: if the theme changes just colors, it will be quite small
Marc9: nijel: probably that icons need change too
Marc9: (for color-blindness)
smita786: I agree on getting rid of theme "Original"
_dstorm: I am not sure how will users react to removal of original theme
nijel: Marc9: that's true ... still one theme is currently 1 MB, so no that much
madhuracj: I'd wait till some other theme is compatible with 4.x before getting rid of original theme
Marc9: Madhura, yeah I meant when there is another theme in the kit
nijel: I'm fine with removing Original, but not sure how users will like it...
madhuracj: @nijel: Indeed, it has been there for a long time and I suspect quite a lot of people are using it
Marc9: nijel, the pmahomme theme has been the default for a number of years
ibennetch-mobile: Is Original compatible with 4.x?
Marc9: Isaac yes, it's in the downloaded kit
zixtor_: Yes it is
Marc9: we need something in the reporting server to tell us what is the running theme
zixtor_: I am okay with removing it though
ibennetch-mobile: Then I would keep Original for some time longer.
smita786: Marc9, I was thinking the same
nijel: we can just move it from the download kit and offer it separately on themes page?
madhuracj: Any ideas on which theme(s) you'd like to be improved to be compatible with 4.x?
zixtor_: Marc9: yes that will be useful to decide on it, maybe we can add it to the gsoc project on error reporting this year
Marc9: zixtor yes
ibennetch-mobile: There were some tickets about old themes, so we know at least one person is interested in each of those
Marc9: I remember that Paradice looked quite good
madhuracj: I prefer metro as well
nijel: also Metro theme was quite popular...
_dstorm: I've never used an external theme..
Marc9: we can check the download stats!
nijel: Marc9: Metro is definitely most popular there
Marc9: Ok so Madhura can start with Metro
_dstorm: metro or color blind first?
Marc9: Metro might be color-blind-ready ?
nijel: I also think that it's quite colorblind friendly as it basically does not use different colors....
_dstorm: thats great then
Marc9: and icons are only black/white, correct?
nijel: Marc9: yes
nijel: okay, so I think that's decided, do we want to discuss deeper fate of the Original theme?
Marc9: maybe after having some stats on it?
_dstorm: maybe waiting for stats from reporting server after we start collecting it
nijel: okay, let's postpone this decision
zixtor: yes right, we may postpone till then
nijel: next topic: re requests discussion
Marc9: For 1300 I'm not sure it's worth the work
madhuracj: That's what I felt too, after doing some work on it
nijel: ...actually: Feature requests discussion (wrong copy and paste)
_dstorm: why should pma keep audit history
nijel: I tend to agree on 1300, it's quite a lot of work
Marc9: _dstorm, we already do it "tracking"
zixtor: I also think tracking feature is enough for tables/views
Marc9: It the amount of work but also, would probably not be used by many users
smita786: yeah, agree with Marc
nijel: nobody in favor of this, so let's reject it
zixtor: Besides it will require to change the configuration structure also as Madhura mentions
* Marc9 changed the status on 1300
nijel: for 338 I feel more it's a bug or inconsistency which should be fixed
Marc9: About 338, it's an inconsistency but IMO it's more a result of the chosen interface
zixtor: Yeah that too
nijel: that's true as well, but that does not change my feeling
Marc9: nijel I'm ok with moving this to Bugs
nijel: any objections?
madhuracj: Fine by me
smita786: I agree
Marc9: By the way, the whole Database > Query could be a GSoC project
_dstorm: I agree too
nijel: Marc9: can you shortly describe on our ideas page?
Marc9: nijel, the problem is, we have to suggest something for replacement, right?
nijel: the student can come with idea for replacement
Marc9: yes, ok, will do
nijel: next one, 354
nijel: I think it makes sense
_dstorm: I does make sense
smita786: yeah, it'll be good to have
madhuracj: Not sure whehter we need to provide the option to sort, However, havinng sorted by the name makes more sense IMO
Marc9: Milestone is now changed
Marc9: and 338 moved to Bugs
nijel: okay, 415
Marc9: Isaac said no on 415
madhuracj: I also feel the same
nijel: I dont' really have strong opinion here
zixtor: I think it can be useful..
Marc9: Can be useful but we have other priorities IMO
Marc9: plus, adding code for marginally useful features means more code to maintain
zixtor: Yeah that's true
Marc9: and the request is 12 years old
Marc9: ok, 11 years
zixtor: Ok, so it's not gonna be used much anyway.. I am okay with no to this..
nijel: okay, let's reject it
_dstorm: reject it
nijel: last one: 1609
Marc9: the question was more about the dropdowns
zixtor: I don't think we need locks on checkboxes and select dropdowns either
smita786: yeah i agree with zixter
Marc9: on table Structure, there are a lot of dropdowns that can be changed and I would be sorry to lose this work
zixtor: Maybe a combination you mean then?
zixtor: more than a certain number?
madhuracj: I think they should be treated just like inputs
nijel: same with creating index...
nijel: ...last three minutes of meeting to go
smita786: But it might get annoying to be prompted everytime on small change
zixtor: I think it depends on user preference more than a objective approach to it
Marc9: I suggest to postpone 1609 to discuss the reporting server
nijel: hmm, but I have to leave at six, what gives us last minute
Marc9: we can postpone all the rest, then
zixtor: I am okay with server side removal of old reports..
zixtor: okay we can postpone
nijel: I'm fine with server side solution as well.
_dstorm: Server side solution looks good to me
smita786: yeah i agree as well with server side solution
zixtor: though client side may sound difficult from user experience perspective, so maybe we can leave as it is for the client side
zixtor: and let the users submit for old versions as well
Marc9: do you mean, an automatic server-side removal, or manual?
nijel: sorry, but I have to leave now, whatever you discuss from now, please post it to IRC log and meeting wiki..
Marc9: (I mean, marking out-of-date)
Marc9: let's end the meeting and continue by email!
nijel: okay, bye