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{"nick":"mhr","message":"When will the other sections of the socketstream site be filled in?","date":"2013-01-02T18:01:32.369Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"Wait! There is documentation! Why isn't it up there? https://github.com/socketstream/socketstream/tree/master/doc/guide/en","date":"2013-01-02T18:06:30.044Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Hi mhr. For now the documentation lives at the url you found. There is an unofficial project to build a SS documentation app here. https://github.com/Anephenix/ss-docs","date":"2013-01-02T18:15:55.507Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"It might be advantageous to link to what I found on the website","date":"2013-01-02T18:16:49.266Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Would also recommend checking out the google group for announcements and Q&As","date":"2013-01-02T18:16:55.407Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/socketstream","date":"2013-01-02T18:16:57.636Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Agreed.","date":"2013-01-02T18:17:20.081Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"In my opinion, that SS homepage would benefit from a bigger update, both content and design.","date":"2013-01-02T18:24:11.119Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"ArxPoetica","message":"lo","date":"2013-01-02T18:26:58.049Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"hi Arx","date":"2013-01-02T18:27:15.848Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ArxPoetica","message":"what's up pbj","date":"2013-01-02T18:29:26.869Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"just saying hi","date":"2013-01-02T18:30:03.709Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"it looks like the https://github.com/socketstream/socketstream-0.4 project has become static - what's the status on that?","date":"2013-01-02T19:07:11.451Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Owen is resuming work on that in the coming weeks. He's not been able to do much recently.","date":"2013-01-02T19:35:15.755Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"A 0.3.3 release is to arrive shortly.","date":"2013-01-02T19:36:29.960Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"okay cool","date":"2013-01-02T19:36:35.346Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"paulbjensen: are you one of the main devs of socketstream?","date":"2013-01-02T19:36:57.518Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"technically yes. It's mostly Owen's work, but I've made contributions, bounced ideas and built apps on it.","date":"2013-01-02T19:39:55.893Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"cool","date":"2013-01-02T19:41:11.039Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I was working for Owen at AOL","date":"2013-01-02T19:41:31.160Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"wow I haven't heard that name in a long time","date":"2013-01-02T19:41:55.019Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":":)","date":"2013-01-02T19:42:51.125Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"kind of off topic, but what direction is aol headed in?","date":"2013-01-02T19:43:24.172Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"AOL wants to be a media empire, basically get as many eyeballs gawping at its various sites, then make money via online ads.","date":"2013-01-02T19:45:00.723Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"They have a display advertising division (advertising.com). That's the bit I used to work in.","date":"2013-01-02T19:45:24.291Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"I didn't know about that. pretty slick looking website","date":"2013-01-02T19:46:09.158Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"you still work at AOL?","date":"2013-01-02T19:46:20.483Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"I noticed you said \"was working\"","date":"2013-01-02T19:46:37.266Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"No. I left about a year ago.","date":"2013-01-02T19:46:41.828Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"There are great people at AOL, but the company's management is flawed.","date":"2013-01-02T19:48:43.354Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"where you at now?","date":"2013-01-02T19:49:03.808Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I work at a small web broadcasting firm called Axisto Media. Great people, and I get to work with Node.js in my day job.","date":"2013-01-02T19:49:55.042Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"awesome. do they support socketstream, or is that on your own time","date":"2013-01-02T19:51:58.693Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"No. I'm working on it for the sheer love of it, especially now that AOL aren't involved.","date":"2013-01-02T19:53:23.100Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I've been able to add some useful libraries over the past 6 months: ss-cucumber for writing Cucumber tests for your SS app as one example","date":"2013-01-02T20:10:01.701Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"another is ss-engine.io, which uses Engine.io for the Websocket transport library","date":"2013-01-02T20:10:26.374Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I also open-sourced Dashku, a dashboard app built on SS.","date":"2013-01-02T20:10:51.029Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"My plan next is to start building plugins for doing CRUD, multi-transport controllers, auth.","date":"2013-01-02T20:11:45.904Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"as well as the docs app","date":"2013-01-02T20:12:41.013Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"awesome. I'm dissatisfied with current mvc libraries/frameworks, so I'm planning on making one with socketstream as a base","date":"2013-01-02T20:20:41.326Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr","message":"I never got the point of tdd. seems like a waste of time","date":"2013-01-02T20:21:03.786Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"It is a time sink, but if you don't have QAs to check the app for you all the time, it's a lifesaver for when you think you've managed to refactor your app without breaking anything.","date":"2013-01-02T20:22:23.279Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I learnt it when I was doing RoR at a web agency called New Bamboo. It was very handy; I went on holiday for 3 weeks, some of the chaps did some great work on the search feature, but they didn't maintain the test suite, and the feature introduced a bug that the test suite would have caught if it was maintained.","date":"2013-01-02T20:25:04.432Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I say if you're prototyping an app, don't bother with tests.","date":"2013-01-02T20:26:49.135Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"But if the app becomes a serious tool that people will depend upon, then put the tests in, and to TDD from that point onwards.","date":"2013-01-02T20:27:25.686Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"mhr_","message":"whoops my internet went haywire. I'll keep what you said in mind if my apps ever become large","date":"2013-01-02T20:30:03.881Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"cool.","date":"2013-01-02T20:30:58.439Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"What's your background, are you Python? PHP?","date":"2013-01-02T20:31:14.374Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Curious to see what languages Node.js devs are coming from","date":"2013-01-02T20:31:45.935Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"right, so a year or so ago, I was on gmail and it dawned on me that I had no idea how the whole thing worked","date":"2013-01-02T20:32:55.985Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"so I decided, hey I want to learn to make one of these apps, how hard can it be?","date":"2013-01-02T20:33:11.338Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"so first I learned html, then css, then php because I need to learn a real web programming language (I hated it), then js, I've spent the last year working on getting my skills better","date":"2013-01-02T20:33:53.050Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"I later became interested in different programming languages, and I now know scheme fairly well, not as well as js though","date":"2013-01-02T20:34:16.393Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"I'm learning ocaml and smalltalk currently","date":"2013-01-02T20:34:35.696Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"I'm just doing this all for fun/to expand my mind, if I have a successful app then that's secondary to me","date":"2013-01-02T20:35:09.066Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mhr_","message":"I'm not so good at making GUIs, so I program, and my brother makes the uis of whatever project I'm working on","date":"2013-01-02T20:38:36.006Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"awesome. I was a self-starter too in terms of programming, learnt Ruby first, then discovered Node 2 years ago. Haven't looked back.","date":"2013-01-02T20:46:57.808Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I've seen OCaml was used by a Hedge Fund in NY somewhere, they were raving about it.","date":"2013-01-02T20:48:09.658Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"yeah, here it is: https://ocaml.janestreet.com","date":"2013-01-02T20:51:16.241Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"mhr_","message":"I dunno if I want to program for a career (I'm in high school currently), but it's certainly a lot of fun","date":"2013-01-02T20:59:51.644Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"I see what you mean. Sometimes I wonder what I would be doing if I wasn't a programmer (I studied Management Science at uni).","date":"2013-01-02T21:28:47.471Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Also you can apply your programming skills in ways you'd never imagine: http://www.rafabenitez.com/web/index.php?act=mostrarContenidos&idioma=in&co=1407","date":"2013-01-02T21:37:12.215Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"Rafa Benitez (soccer coach) actually wrote programs in Visual Basic to help him manage football clubs like Liverpool FC.","date":"2013-01-02T21:38:02.642Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"mhr_","message":"wow","date":"2013-01-02T23:12:15.212Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"?","date":"2013-01-02T23:30:28.646Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"paulbjensen","message":"oh","date":"2013-01-02T23:30:34.701Z","type":"message"}