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{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"defunctzombie: \"get\" ?","date":"2013-12-31T00:02:23.120Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I think I found it","date":"2013-12-31T00:02:40.976Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"was just looking for a way to inject stuff into the window when run via phantom","date":"2013-12-31T00:03:02.048Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"o","date":"2013-12-31T00:05:38.897Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"did you know require works in phantom?","date":"2013-12-31T00:06:03.217Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"like, with node_modules and everything?","date":"2013-12-31T00:06:16.967Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"substack","message":"xvfb-run arealbrowser http://url","date":"2013-12-31T00:06:35.819Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"substack","message":"phantom is junk why do people use it >_<","date":"2013-12-31T00:06:44.920Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"there are a few places where I think it kind of makes sense","date":"2013-12-31T00:08:15.622Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"I've been meaning to figure out how it works in more detail so I can debug headless-gl","date":"2013-12-31T00:08:30.875Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"(mainly to get the webgl conformance tests to run)","date":"2013-12-31T00:08:46.169Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"I used it to generate pdfs once","date":"2013-12-31T00:08:49.849Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"that was handy","date":"2013-12-31T00:09:00.823Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"but I don't think it's great for headless testing","date":"2013-12-31T00:09:22.810Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"problem is the conformance tests need the dom to do their thing","date":"2013-12-31T00:09:39.866Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"substack: I dunno either","date":"2013-12-31T00:11:42.093Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"substack: I prefer to run in actual browser","date":"2013-12-31T00:11:47.570Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"thlorenz: do your peeps actually care about using phantom?","date":"2013-12-31T00:12:19.405Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"thlorenz: or do they just not want to open a browser?","date":"2013-12-31T00:12:25.388Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"substack","message":"is there an `xvfb-run` for osx?","date":"2013-12-31T00:15:49.538Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"substack","message":"firefox and chrome should just ship with --headless","date":"2013-12-31T00:16:29.745Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"there's probably a broken mac port that only half works","date":"2013-12-31T00:16:38.249Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"substack","message":"then people wouldn't need to resort to this crazy insanity","date":"2013-12-31T00:16:40.005Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I dunno why people care so much, I like testing in actual browser cause then you know it works in a browser","date":"2013-12-31T00:17:11.626Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"phantom is cool for taking screenshots I guess","date":"2013-12-31T00:17:19.285Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"man with statements are totally crazy","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:03.551Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"so this:","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:20.159Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"substack: No, but like, if you're on osx you're probably running linux vms for development anyway","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:20.948Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"var a=1; with(x) { var a=2; } console.log(a)","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:21.104Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"prints out 2","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:24.181Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"hooray vagrant","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:26.700Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"but this:  var x={y:1},y=2; with(x){ var y=3; } console.log(y)","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:41.447Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"prints out 3","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:43.858Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"wtf javascript!","date":"2013-12-31T00:18:50.372Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"isn't that expected mikolalysenko I don't see the difference","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:02.846Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"err no","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:12.772Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"it prints out 2 I mean","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:15.912Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"not 3","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:16.746Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"okay, well that's still weird","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:23.475Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"yorick","message":"mikolalysenko: yeah, with blocks don't have their own scope, they only put something on top of the scope chain","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:24.356Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"sorry, I confused myself","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:24.537Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"not quite","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:32.663Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"but seems to follow some semblance of rules","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:34.714Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"yorick","message":">> var x={y:1},y=2; with(x){ var y=3; } console.log(y)","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:40.994Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"yorick","message":"js> var x={y:1},y=2; with(x){ var y=3; } console.log(y)","date":"2013-12-31T00:19:43.860Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"yorick","message":"so it does print out 2","date":"2013-12-31T00:20:01.268Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"[17:20] < purr> jesusabdullah: undefined; Console: 2","date":"2013-12-31T00:20:14.564Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"with statements do get their own scope","date":"2013-12-31T00:20:19.702Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"but only if the declaration shadows something in the object","date":"2013-12-31T00:20:28.597Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"wtf","date":"2013-12-31T00:20:30.087Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"and since objects are dynamic, you can't statically compute the scope of a with block...","date":"2013-12-31T00:20:57.327Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"arrr","date":"2013-12-31T00:21:00.333Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"the way to get tests working in all browsers is to just get them working in ie 6 through 11","date":"2013-12-31T00:21:01.073Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"then it is almost guaranteed to work in any other browser hahaha","date":"2013-12-31T00:21:11.597Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"[17:21] < jesusabdullah> >> var x = {y: 1}, y = 2; (function (y) { var y = 3; })(x.y); console.log(y);","date":"2013-12-31T00:21:43.110Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"[17:21] < purr> jesusabdullah: undefined; Console: 2","date":"2013-12-31T00:21:46.116Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"substack","message":"sometimes I get into the case where the IE versions use a polyfill successfully but the polyfill breaks in firefox or somewhere","date":"2013-12-31T00:21:48.445Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"now try this one:  var x={z:1},y=2; with(x){ var y=3; } console.log(y)","date":"2013-12-31T00:22:24.758Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"and it will print out 3","date":"2013-12-31T00:22:29.934Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"man.  I can't figure out a good way to handle this within control-flow...","date":"2013-12-31T00:23:44.787Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"withs?","date":"2013-12-31T00:23:50.553Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"yeah","date":"2013-12-31T00:23:53.536Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"substack: haha","date":"2013-12-31T00:23:55.716Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"luckily, almost nobody uses with","date":"2013-12-31T00:23:56.533Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"rowbit","message":"Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 17]","date":"2013-12-31T00:24:04.812Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"so I think the only way to do it is just rewrite all variables within a with statement somehow","date":"2013-12-31T00:24:35.024Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"but you will get these weird shadowing declarations...","date":"2013-12-31T00:24:44.634Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"Does function (y) { var y = 3; }(x.y) act more or less the same wrt shadowing?","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:06.270Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"wait a minute.  I am crazy","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:16.398Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"how are people doing email queues in node these days?","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:19.270Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"actually, this makes sense.  look at the output from this:  var x={y:1},y=2; with(x){ y=3; var y=4; } console.log(y, x)","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:32.874Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"defunctzombie: email queues? Doesn't sendmail queue internally?","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:35.098Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I don't wanna setup more shit on servers if I can avoid it","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:49.142Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"Why not?","date":"2013-12-31T00:26:55.523Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"that node_emailer project has an internal queue","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:05.504Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"cause it becomes another thing that needs to be on the server for shit to work","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:10.440Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and if the node process dies?","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:15.584Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"shoulda put another thing on the server ^__^","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:26.057Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"what happens to those queued emails?","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:26.954Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"imo fuck solving that by hand someone has to have already done it","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:44.117Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"learn2provision","date":"2013-12-31T00:27:48.733Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"(I'm still learning to provision)","date":"2013-12-31T00:28:39.670Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mikolalysenko","message":"ok, nevermind.  handling with statements should be ok","date":"2013-12-31T00:31:52.631Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"rowbit","message":"Hourly usage stats: [developer: 0, free: 12]","date":"2013-12-31T01:24:04.685Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: couldn't you listen on phantom stdout?","date":"2013-12-31T01:27:03.254Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"substack: xvfb is only available in linux, so us mac users can't run it locally","date":"2013-12-31T01:28:20.403Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"isaacs","message":"substack: right now, no, you cannot access individual files in packages.","date":"2013-12-31T01:52:37.025Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"isaacs","message":"substack: as it turns out, turning that on for all packages ever might be kind of a honepot for abuse, and also rather costly","date":"2013-12-31T01:53:10.414Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"substack","message":"ok","date":"2013-12-31T01:53:23.660Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"isaacs","message":"substack: but i'm exploring ways to make it work that don't have problems.","date":"2013-12-31T01:53:23.958Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"machty","message":"lol","date":"2013-12-31T02:13:16.259Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"machty: you the ember dude?","date":"2013-12-31T02:25:12.162Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"defunctzombie:  i prefer to be known as the bloomberg dude","date":"2013-12-31T02:25:46.201Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"machty: excellent","date":"2013-12-31T02:25:58.707Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"what's your involvement in stackvm?","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:08.837Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"?","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:16.130Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"stackvm is where the cool js kids hang","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:24.090Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"ah","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:30.862Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and by cool js kids I mean nodejs mostly","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:39.847Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"saw your correspondence w afeldman (went to school w him)","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:41.126Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"but we know that nodejs is the coolest of the cool hahaha","date":"2013-12-31T02:26:49.427Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"cool","date":"2013-12-31T02:27:20.183Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"indeed","date":"2013-12-31T02:27:21.328Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"i don't know anything about stackvm","date":"2013-12-31T02:27:32.692Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"i probably should, yes?","date":"2013-12-31T02:27:35.724Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"yea","date":"2013-12-31T02:27:47.528Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"anyone who does javascript for real should","date":"2013-12-31T02:27:54.801Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"think of it like a right of passage if you will","date":"2013-12-31T02:28:22.033Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"machty","message":"stackvm is a company, with products browserling and testling, or?","date":"2013-12-31T02:29:35.985Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"substack: describe stackvm","date":"2013-12-31T02:31:24.956Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"its an irc channel where many node module hackers hang out and talk about modules","date":"2013-12-31T02:34:14.781Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"substack","message":"machty: stackvm is an irc channel that started out as the thing that browserling turned into but now it's a node module irc channel","date":"2013-12-31T02:37:51.852Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"for science!","date":"2013-12-31T02:38:09.672Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"strange transformation","date":"2013-12-31T02:38:51.723Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"machty","message":"but i dig it","date":"2013-12-31T02:38:54.017Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I am watching a documentary about honey bees","date":"2013-12-31T02:50:41.907Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"this is some serious shit","date":"2013-12-31T02:50:44.698Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"rowbit","message":"substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.72.230(dev-ie7-4)","date":"2013-12-31T04:10:13.710Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"grncdr","message":"defunctzombie: honey bees are awesome","date":"2013-12-31T04:10:23.663Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"grncdr","message":"seriously may become a beekeeper if I ever settle down somewhere for >3 years","date":"2013-12-31T04:10:48.679Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"haha","date":"2013-12-31T04:12:00.571Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"grncdr","message":"I feel like I would enjoy it more than gardening and other such \"maintain the organism\" hobbies","date":"2013-12-31T04:12:34.984Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"grncdr","message":"because honey is awesome, and I like the droning sound of a hive of bees","date":"2013-12-31T04:13:08.658Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"\"I like the droning sound of a hive of bees\" -- last words of the beekeeper","date":"2013-12-31T04:48:31.080Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"grncdr","message":"hah, because bees?","date":"2013-12-31T04:48:57.515Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"grncdr","message":"or old age?","date":"2013-12-31T04:49:02.184Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"guybrush","message":"once i saw a docu about beekeepers in new yourk who keep bees in the city, awesome stuff :D","date":"2013-12-31T04:49:51.275Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"guybrush","message":"funny fact: in german beekeepers are called Imker","date":"2013-12-31T04:52:41.503Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"guybrush: how is that funny, just a word?","date":"2013-12-31T04:54:04.382Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"grncdr: bees","date":"2013-12-31T04:54:11.148Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"guybrush","message":"its an original word","date":"2013-12-31T04:54:12.326Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"guybrush","message":"you could call them also Bienenz�chter","date":"2013-12-31T04:54:50.122Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"ah comes from Imme == Biene (bee) and kar == Korb (basket)","date":"2013-12-31T04:55:48.440Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"guybrush","message":"with original word i mean its not a combination of other \"original\" words (bee and keeper), im not a languist but its a thing!","date":"2013-12-31T04:55:52.217Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"Sehr interessant!","date":"2013-12-31T04:56:00.458Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"guybrush","message":"oooh i didnt know that!","date":"2013-12-31T04:56:11.884Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"guybrush","message":"was just curious and felt like talking about it :p","date":"2013-12-31T04:56:40.387Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"so now you can try to make everyone call'em Immenzuechter ;)","date":"2013-12-31T04:56:48.704Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"well seems like defunctzombie started the whole bee stuff and I just can't let that bee","date":"2013-12-31T04:57:13.975Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"...","date":"2013-12-31T04:57:45.225Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"what's all the buzz about?","date":"2013-12-31T04:58:08.310Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"guybrush: btw not making this up http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Imker","date":"2013-12-31T04:58:19.630Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"it's about you becoming an Imker","date":"2013-12-31T04:58:26.525Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I am scared","date":"2013-12-31T05:04:28.009Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: you should be","date":"2013-12-31T05:05:13.377Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"substack","message":"dominictarr: https://twitter.com/AtomicPlayb0y/status/417865474743873536","date":"2013-12-31T05:12:43.250Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":" haha, nice!","date":"2013-12-31T05:23:23.818Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"ogd","message":"hahaha https://github.com/amasad/soundofjs","date":"2013-12-31T05:43:56.329Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"ogd, hey, this made sha.js 3x faster https://github.com/dominictarr/sha.js/commit/91649a61d6fe8ab2b1f785c1833efa89feeff3b0","date":"2013-12-31T05:44:08.547Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"NOT using a typedarray","date":"2013-12-31T05:44:17.416Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"but instead using object properties. Maybe improved caching?","date":"2013-12-31T05:44:43.497Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"ogd","message":"dominictarr: how long are the typed arrays you were creating before on average?","date":"2013-12-31T06:01:00.788Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"dominictarr: and were you pooling/caching at all?","date":"2013-12-31T06:01:41.382Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"ah i guess you cant pool in the sha use case","date":"2013-12-31T06:02:02.501Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"ogd, it's not about allocations. I'm only creating a fixed number per Hash object.","date":"2013-12-31T06:03:01.135Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"1 for the hash, one for the working memory, and the write buffer","date":"2013-12-31T06:03:14.256Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"although, I'm planning to remove the write buffer, and write directly into the working buffer, saving a copy","date":"2013-12-31T06:03:39.471Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"dominictarr: oh also you should lurk in #hyperdata :D","date":"2013-12-31T06:05:13.216Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"ogd, hyperdata is all stackvm people!","date":"2013-12-31T06:07:06.386Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"ETOMANYTABS","date":"2013-12-31T06:07:20.642Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"well, not all","date":"2013-12-31T06:09:05.883Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"oooh, looks like I might have the fastest js sha1 implementation!","date":"2013-12-31T06:12:36.445Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"(Benchmarks coming...)","date":"2013-12-31T06:13:08.843Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"dominictarr: what are you using it in?","date":"2013-12-31T06:15:25.550Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"ogd","message":"dominictarr: im guessing merkle-stream?","date":"2013-12-31T06:17:05.149Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ogd","message":"dominictarr: also have you talked to kesla yet? he is hacking on a js rsync type thing","date":"2013-12-31T06:17:24.113Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"rowbit","message":"substack, pkrumins: These encoders are STILL down: 50.57.72.230(dev-ie7-4)","date":"2013-12-31T10:10:15.865Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"insertcoffee","message":"happy new year!","date":"2013-12-31T10:33:10.627Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"insertcoffee, where are you?","date":"2013-12-31T10:41:30.960Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"rowbit","message":"substack, pkrumins: testling server winIE9 + chrome + firefox + opera + safari + all nightly (rackspace) is down!","date":"2013-12-31T10:56:47.653Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mmalecki","message":"https://github.com/mmalecki/flot-stream","date":"2013-12-31T11:07:24.982Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mmalecki","message":"flotcharts with streaming, woo!","date":"2013-12-31T11:07:30.839Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"No9","message":"Hey dominictarr long time no see","date":"2013-12-31T11:51:07.099Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"substack, pkrumins hey, ci tests for sha.js won't run, http://ci.testling.com/dominictarr/sha.js","date":"2013-12-31T12:01:08.462Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"and I can't see why?","date":"2013-12-31T12:01:13.526Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"seems to be stuck on chrome and ff?","date":"2013-12-31T12:01:24.360Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mmalecki","message":"streams ftw!","date":"2013-12-31T12:05:36.336Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"mmalecki","message":"hi dominictarr","date":"2013-12-31T12:05:40.136Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"mmalecki, whats up?","date":"2013-12-31T12:12:50.362Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"mmalecki","message":"dominictarr: not much! working on some cool frontends. how are you?","date":"2013-12-31T12:16:50.152Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"dominictarr","message":"mmalecki, good! I'm doing js crypto stuff right now","date":"2013-12-31T12:27:23.993Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"ralphtheninja","message":"hey guys","date":"2013-12-31T13:02:17.650Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"mmalecki","message":"omg go is sweet","date":"2013-12-31T13:11:47.207Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"testling now has a super fast server and more memory","date":"2013-12-31T14:33:22.066Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"means tests will run faster, and it will run out of memory less often","date":"2013-12-31T14:33:39.241Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"thlorenz: can stack-mapper work with multiple map files?","date":"2013-12-31T15:51:24.126Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"thlorenz: like if I feed it several maps?","date":"2013-12-31T15:51:30.631Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"thlorenz: also, how do you recommend I strip leading filepath (aka sourceRoot) from the map.sources (this is a convert-source-map question)","date":"2013-12-31T15:52:02.483Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: not right now, is the generated file the same?","date":"2013-12-31T15:52:17.348Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"what do you mean?","date":"2013-12-31T15:52:57.838Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"cause you could concat to sources and sourcesContents to combine a map assuming it ended up in the same bundle.js","date":"2013-12-31T15:53:03.941Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"na, I have two js files","date":"2013-12-31T15:53:17.003Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"a source map is for ONE generated file only","date":"2013-12-31T15:53:22.056Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"ok, then for stack mapper we'd have to change things a bit","date":"2013-12-31T15:53:42.755Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"in the case of zuul I have the client.js code which has its own map file","date":"2013-12-31T15:53:50.533Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and the test-bundle.js","date":"2013-12-31T15:53:54.284Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"they are separate files","date":"2013-12-31T15:54:01.956Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"ok.. I will look at that later","date":"2013-12-31T15:54:08.179Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"since then in your original trace the different bundle files would show up","date":"2013-12-31T15:54:09.654Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"now.. for the sourceRoot stuff","date":"2013-12-31T15:54:24.820Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"so you'd pick the correct map depending on that -- makes things somewhat more complex, actually I'd suggest using multiple stack mappers instead","date":"2013-12-31T15:54:41.179Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"k","date":"2013-12-31T15:54:50.668Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"so for you cvs question","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:00.554Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"so something that picks stack mappers based on intial file or something","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:11.985Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"you can setProperty on the source map","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:23.296Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"yea, I did that","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:29.015Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"but it doesn't trim the map.sources","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:34.221Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"do I need to trim those myself?","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:39.204Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: actually no, you'd just pipe into all the stack mappers and they each only change traces they know about","date":"2013-12-31T15:55:50.916Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"ah.. right!","date":"2013-12-31T15:56:05.850Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"that is even cooler :)","date":"2013-12-31T15:56:14.763Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: you could setProperty on the sources and take the original ones and trim them each","date":"2013-12-31T15:56:37.923Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"is that the correct thing to do?","date":"2013-12-31T15:56:48.088Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"you could, it just changes how they'd show up in chrome for instance","date":"2013-12-31T15:57:21.499Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"ah","date":"2013-12-31T15:57:26.041Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"maybe I will leave it for now then","date":"2013-12-31T15:57:30.750Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: pretty much this example does exactly that: https://github.com/thlorenz/mold-source-map#mold-source-map-","date":"2013-12-31T15:58:03.498Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"it mounts all files relative to the root","date":"2013-12-31T15:58:12.562Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"so instead of /user/xxx/dev/../sub/foo.js youd get ./sub/foo.js","date":"2013-12-31T15:58:46.130Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"k","date":"2013-12-31T15:59:05.332Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and I gotta run mapSources it seems after I set the root","date":"2013-12-31T15:59:13.333Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: if you don't include sources content it could get problematic though","date":"2013-12-31T15:59:21.301Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I do include it in the sourcemap","date":"2013-12-31T15:59:32.126Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"since it'll try to look up the content at the changed path","date":"2013-12-31T15:59:33.680Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"ok","date":"2013-12-31T15:59:37.175Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"defunctzombie: you can just set any property to whatever you want","date":"2013-12-31T16:00:06.772Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"order shouldn't matter","date":"2013-12-31T16:00:10.992Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"substack: I made a boo boo","date":"2013-12-31T16:24:49.223Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"for everyone else to rofl at","date":"2013-12-31T16:27:14.494Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"\\o/","date":"2013-12-31T16:29:10.575Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Raynos","message":"substack: when should i use optimist instead of minimist?","date":"2013-12-31T18:55:12.744Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"oh wait, optimist uses minimist !","date":"2013-12-31T18:56:38.282Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie, thlorenz, dominictarr: Have you seen something like https://github.com/Raynos/dom-delegator#motivation ?","date":"2013-12-31T19:46:39.790Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"I still don't want to implement it myself.","date":"2013-12-31T19:46:49.079Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: don't get any of the motivation...","date":"2013-12-31T19:47:54.115Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: I mean I get it","date":"2013-12-31T19:47:57.561Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"but I don't get how reactive doesn't do all of this already?","date":"2013-12-31T19:48:07.587Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"or ractive.js if you want something more heavyweight","date":"2013-12-31T19:48:19.038Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I also don't like your render example because it again starts messing with dom shit in the JS code and also makes it hard to reason about the final markup","date":"2013-12-31T19:49:02.671Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"fyi, reactive *is* a library","date":"2013-12-31T19:49:16.316Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and not a framework","date":"2013-12-31T19:49:18.533Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"\"solution should use event delegation, it shouldnt require binding to each DOM element manually\" why not? depends on use case honestly","date":"2013-12-31T19:49:51.703Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"So I wrote contributing guidelines for ecstatic https://github.com/jesusabdullah/node-ecstatic/blob/master/CONTRIBUTE.md","date":"2013-12-31T19:50:03.205Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"if I have 30 elements, I can bind to each one just fine","date":"2013-12-31T19:50:04.872Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: you dont like the render example ?","date":"2013-12-31T19:50:31.856Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: the render function IS the template","date":"2013-12-31T19:50:41.348Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: and your jsonml example is again entangling the dom stuff with JS code","date":"2013-12-31T19:50:47.829Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: so your objection is that i have templates with logic in them ?","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:02.931Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"not really an objection","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:15.501Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"just pointing out that your examples seem to do what you don't want :)","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:26.644Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: the problem with reactive is that it isn't good enough, can't pass any data up with the event","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:30.599Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: then make it better","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:39.769Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: also reactive calls my listener with a DOM event object","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:42.319Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: the other problem with reactive is that it does TWO things","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:51.801Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: I thought about adding support for \"on-click=\"function:arg:arg\"","date":"2013-12-31T19:51:55.385Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: it has more arguments to the event handler","date":"2013-12-31T19:52:09.443Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"arg 2 is the model iirv","date":"2013-12-31T19:52:13.787Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and 'this' is the reactive instance","date":"2013-12-31T19:52:21.643Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"(tho that may just be in my fork since I patched and fixed things)","date":"2013-12-31T19:52:36.639Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I liked the basics of reactive so I ran with it","date":"2013-12-31T19:52:45.756Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"the thing is.. the template and event handlers *are* linked","date":"2013-12-31T19:53:10.726Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"defunctzombie: i cant really use reactive, it does two things instead of one :(","date":"2013-12-31T19:53:19.507Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I dunno what you mean by that but ok :)","date":"2013-12-31T19:53:28.623Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"not saying you should use it, just saying I think it solves all your motivation things (at least it does for me)","date":"2013-12-31T19:53:45.810Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"I too was looking for something that would do similar things","date":"2013-12-31T19:53:55.267Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: anyhow, you should continue experimenting and maybe you will stumble upon something awesome!","date":"2013-12-31T19:56:06.239Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"Defunctzombie: thanks for your feedback. I added more motivation","date":"2013-12-31T20:02:12.866Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"cool","date":"2013-12-31T20:02:23.119Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"Defunctzombie: the problem with reactive is that it's both events and rendering","date":"2013-12-31T20:02:46.539Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: that is because you think it does rendering by just doing html strings","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:03.120Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"Which is weird if I don't use reactive for rendering","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:04.610Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"it doesn't","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:06.549Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"It mutates the dom","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:28.847Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"yes","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:36.666Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"Event libraries don't mutate the dom","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:39.251Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and when doing that it has access to the dom nodes","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:46.128Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"and can connect event handlers","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:49.802Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"if you want it to","date":"2013-12-31T20:03:54.818Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"Raynos: https://github.com/component/events","date":"2013-12-31T20:04:14.043Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"if you just want something that does event","date":"2013-12-31T20:04:19.569Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Raynos","message":"I could break the on click stuff out of reactive","date":"2013-12-31T20:07:57.737Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"And have reactive depend on it","date":"2013-12-31T20:08:11.884Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Raynos","message":"But then it will be big. I can't imagine implementing this in < 200 loc","date":"2013-12-31T20:08:40.484Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"rowbit","message":"substack, pkrumins: Encoders down: 184.106.99.27 (dev-ie7-3)","date":"2013-12-31T20:43:51.456Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: I want to learn about basic data structure stuff. Advice? I see you wrote a series of blog posts about MIT's Into2Algos","date":"2013-12-31T21:05:18.564Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"ogd","message":"jesusabdullah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sEdiFMntMA&feature=share&list=PLFDnELG9dpVxEpbyL53CYebmLI58qJhlt theres also a playlist somewhere for the previous class","date":"2013-12-31T21:11:15.484Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"uhuh","date":"2013-12-31T21:14:21.521Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"Yeah, I should start with the previous class","date":"2013-12-31T21:14:48.949Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"ogd: http://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.851/ :)","date":"2013-12-31T21:15:15.933Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"I think maybe I want the intro2algos class","date":"2013-12-31T21:16:11.695Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"happy new year to all my internet friends from latvia!","date":"2013-12-31T22:02:58.058Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: mit's intro to algos is a pretty good course","date":"2013-12-31T22:04:03.258Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: word","date":"2013-12-31T22:04:14.722Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: although i found it to be too theoretical","date":"2013-12-31T22:04:16.094Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: I'd believe that","date":"2013-12-31T22:04:26.617Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: I decided that I want to brush up on my c and data structures, so I'm gonna loosely follow some classes/texts/etc and implement a bunch of them","date":"2013-12-31T22:04:58.537Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: and I think I'm-a do it all literate style too :)","date":"2013-12-31T22:05:07.640Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: I think I know juuuuust enough c to make it happen","date":"2013-12-31T22:05:43.851Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: i can recommend you another course from stony brook university","date":"2013-12-31T22:05:45.673Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: less theoretical, more hackerish","date":"2013-12-31T22:05:54.175Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~skiena/teaching/","date":"2013-12-31T22:05:58.433Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"also video lectures","date":"2013-12-31T22:06:09.336Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: most excellent","date":"2013-12-31T22:06:20.195Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"he's more about using algorithms than knowing them and proving their running time","date":"2013-12-31T22:06:27.005Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"I'd be interested in big O stuff as well though","date":"2013-12-31T22:06:43.316Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"defunctzombie","message":"pkrumins: woooo","date":"2013-12-31T22:06:43.470Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"at least in a, \"yeah this is pretty fast\" kind of hand-wavey way","date":"2013-12-31T22:07:05.843Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"pkrumins: \"Data Structures for Street Coders\" by Joshua Holbrook XD","date":"2013-12-31T22:08:02.871Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"heh","date":"2013-12-31T22:08:25.217Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"reminds me of street fighting mathematics http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/street-fighting-mathematics","date":"2013-12-31T22:08:32.409Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"ah yes","date":"2013-12-31T22:08:57.976Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"I say \"street coder\" based on a conversation I had with chapel that he probs doesn't remember","date":"2013-12-31T22:09:12.878Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"about the differences between coders with CS backgrounds and those without","date":"2013-12-31T22:09:45.928Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"a street coder is often better than educated one","date":"2013-12-31T22:09:50.078Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"yeah","date":"2013-12-31T22:09:51.407Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"we're \"from the street\"","date":"2013-12-31T22:09:52.366Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"i'm from the street too","date":"2013-12-31T22:10:00.480Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"\"school of hard knocks\" and all that","date":"2013-12-31T22:10:01.617Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"^5","date":"2013-12-31T22:10:03.449Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"^5","date":"2013-12-31T22:10:08.477Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: you should also love this course","date":"2013-12-31T22:11:04.134Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkbFf82_b8&list=PL07B3F10B48592010","date":"2013-12-31T22:11:06.212Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"jesusabdullah: programming challenges","date":"2013-12-31T22:11:12.534Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"this is almost no theory, 100% applied problem solving using smart algorithms","date":"2013-12-31T22:11:28.707Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"also by steven skiena from stony brook","date":"2013-12-31T22:11:41.572Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jesusabdullah","message":"word","date":"2013-12-31T22:11:51.776Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"pkrumins: any recommendations on what to watch before \"advanced data structures\"? to refresh before launching into that one","date":"2013-12-31T22:14:20.545Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"I found this http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL28045DE32CB7B098","date":"2013-12-31T22:15:21.302Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"but am not sure if there is a better one leading into the former","date":"2013-12-31T22:15:32.933Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"jesusabdullah: I whole heartedly recommend this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8jOj7diA0&list=PLD594BFF17712E934","date":"2013-12-31T22:17:19.782Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"it shows some neato things you can do with C, like emulate generic functions","date":"2013-12-31T22:17:44.968Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"thlorenz: mit's advanced data structures?","date":"2013-12-31T22:22:06.882Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"thlorenz: well you could watch mit's intro to algos","date":"2013-12-31T22:22:15.369Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"as that advanced course has into to algos as prerequisite","date":"2013-12-31T22:22:27.848Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"pkrumins: that one right?  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL28045DE32CB7B098","date":"2013-12-31T22:22:37.966Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"yeah - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL28045DE32CB7B098 - \"introduction to algorithms\"","date":"2013-12-31T22:23:10.941Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"cool, thanks -- these are all using C for examples?","date":"2013-12-31T22:23:38.112Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"they're using pseudo code","date":"2013-12-31T22:23:46.761Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"thlorenz: you'll find this useful - http://www.catonmat.net/series/mit-introduction-to-algorithms","date":"2013-12-31T22:23:52.548Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"ah, great, thanks","date":"2013-12-31T22:24:07.925Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"thlorenz: i once watched all those lectures and made summaries","date":"2013-12-31T22:24:09.116Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"thlorenz: if you want C code, then you should go with skiena http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~algorith/video-lectures/","date":"2013-12-31T22:24:57.619Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"ah, yes, actually from the topics looks like  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8jOj7diA0&list=PLD594BFF17712E934 covers most of this","date":"2013-12-31T22:25:45.891Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"thlorenz: he's all about applying code right away and using it in programs, rather than first studying the theoretical aspects of algorithms in pseudo code","date":"2013-12-31T22:25:46.621Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"and I'm 2 thirds through that one","date":"2013-12-31T22:25:57.148Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"pkrumins","message":"cool","date":"2013-12-31T22:26:39.516Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"except maybe some specific algos aren't mentioned in that, so thanks, will add that to the list","date":"2013-12-31T22:26:43.992Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"pkrumins: kind of sad you can't forward inside the flash app you ge launched into for the sunysb.edu class","date":"2013-12-31T22:37:29.811Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"however of course you can download the video at: http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~algorith/video-lectures/2012/CSE373_(CSE373-01)_2013_Spring_2013-02-14_files/audio-video.flv","date":"2013-12-31T22:38:02.947Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"thlorenz","message":"ah nm that video doesn't include speparate slides of cource :(","date":"2013-12-31T22:48:55.864Z","type":"message"}
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