Logo Customization on control panel

[bloodbare]

[agitator]

+100

[djay]

Whats wrong with a logo in the default diazo theme that can be replaced?

[agitator]

a basic plone installation should be able to allow that, with or without diazo

[davisagli]

A setting that says 'logo' is easier to find and use than realizing you can copy and edit the diazo theme. This is the first and most common customization that people want to do; it makes sense to go out of our way to make it easy.

[djay]

plone 5 should ship with a diazo theme you should be able to edit immediately.

Clicking

"Theming" > "modify theme" > "logo.png" > "upload file"  

is pretty intuitive. Not much less than having a control panel to change the logo. If it's not intuitive enough lets fix it.

Diazo is our theming story so there is no "without diazo". We should be introducing users to it as soon as possible to smooth the learning curve, not replacing it with another kind of theming which does just a few things. Plus it's yet another thing to maintain and translate. And of course, if the theme uses a different logo filename? Then you have a control panel that doesn't do anything so is confusing.

Whats the next thing users ask for after the logo? Editing the css. Are we going to create a new way for them to edit that too?

[davisagli]

It has bugged me for years that we don't have a one-step way to do this. It's not "another kind of theming;" it's making something that should be easy very easy.

I totally disagree that forcing people to use Diazo immediately smooths the learning curve. It adds a bump to the learning curve. We should identify the 5 most common things people want to change and make sure they can do it without learning Diazo.

[davisagli]

Also if someone only wants to change the logo, we should not force them to create a custom theme, which would then not automatically update if fixes are made to plonetheme.barceloneta upstream.

[djay]

They don't have to learn diazo just the theme editor. The theme editor lets someone change css and images and js without knowing the first thing about diazo rules. I've given many users access to update css files who don't know diazo and it's been very empowering for them.

We don't have to create a copy of barceloneta. We can do what I call an identity theme. One that gives you places to change certain things but looks exactly the same as the base theme. Alternatively we could copy barceloneta since, as soon as you start altering a theme it becomes a mess to handle upgrades in theme underlying theme changes. barceloneta should be a starter theme not a very complex theme for which you want to get updates to.

[bloodbare]

I would just add a option on the settings to change the logo and a silly scripts that stores somewhere. We can always edit the theme on diazo , but the site/logo.png should be something we can change in a easy way.

[agitator]

changing the logo should be as simple as changing the site name

[djay]

I would argue that currently

"Theming" > "modify theme" > "logo.png" > "upload file"  

Is much more intuitive than how you currently change the title. Changing the title is under Site setup > Site > Site title. I have found a lot of clients have never noticed the the "Site" control panel and many never update their site title. Since the site title is mainly seen in the html head I wouldn't be surprised if most users would be looking for a "theme" or "templates" control panel to adjust that. In fact title and description should probably be moved to the theming control panel.

[agitator]

btw. there are so many plone sites that do their job without any theming - people just want there logo there. don't make it more complicated than needed.
site settings > logo

please!

[davisagli]

We should include site title and logo on the form for creating a new plone site.

[bloodbare]

And also the favicon ?