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+title: "Episode fifteen of Let's talk about public code! - Astor Nummelin, Open Forum Europe"
+date: 2024-01-30
+author: Jan Ainali
+type: blogpost
+excerpt: On institutionalisation of software
+categories:
+  - news
+---
+
+# Episode fifteen of Let's talk about public code!
+
+In this fifteenth episode, we talked to Astor Nummelin, Executive Director at Open Forum Europe about how software is getting to a point that it is becoming institutionalised and what we can do in light of this.
+
+<iframe title="#15 - Astor Nummelin, Open Forum Europe" allowtransparency="true" height="150" width="100%" style="border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px); max-width:560px; height:150px;" scrolling="no" data-name="pb-iframe-player" src="https://www.podbean.com/player-v2/?i=hxz6n-156646f-pb&from=pb6admin&share=1&download=1&rtl=0&fonts=Arial&skin=2&font-color=auto&logo_link=episode_page&btn-skin=7" loading="lazy"></iframe>
+
+Links related to the discussion:
+
+* Blogpost: [Some Thoughts on the Institutionalisation of Software](https://openforumeurope.org/some-thoughts-on-the-institutionalisation-of-software/)
+* [Open Forum Europe](https://openforumeurope.org)
+
+You can subscribe to the podcast at [podcast.publiccode.net](https://podcast.publiccode.net/e/lets-talk-about-public-code-15-astor-nummelin-open-forum-europe/) or by searching in your favorite podcast app.
+
+[![Screenshot from the YouTube video with Astor and Jan]({{site.url}}/assets/screenshot-episode-15.png)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhw1P4Pl8AQ&list=PL_5ziu2gADmBPPsDlo4sMt1M7Yd8LvOBK&index=15)
+Above, screenshot from [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhw1P4Pl8AQ&list=PL_5ziu2gADmBPPsDlo4sMt1M7Yd8LvOBK&index=15).
+
+## What's next?
+
+We are aiming for the next video within a month.
+If you have any suggestions for public coders we should talk to in the future, reach out to us on social media or create [an issue in our Projects repository](https://github.com/publiccodenet/projects/issues/new).
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