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Adding Chechen (Shishani) translation #295

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Marsho opened this Issue May 10, 2013 · 29 comments

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Marsho commented May 10, 2013

Assalamu aleykum brothers! May Allah reward you for your excellent work.

I am interested in adding to your program a translation to the holy Quran in Chechnian (Sheeshani) language. I have the entire text fully translated, but have yet to figure out means of publicizing it. If possible, I would greatly appreciate help in finding out whom to contact, and what to mention in order to accomplish this task.

Translation is all sunni and in .rtf format. Other version of translation is in .doc format.

Thank you in advance!

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ahmedre commented May 13, 2013

wa3laikum alsalam,
we want to add this - any ideas how we can get it into the same format we use?
some ideas - if you can easily transfer it into excel format with 3 columns (sura, ayah, text), it would be easy for us to include in the app... would this be possible?
jazakALlah khairan and sorry for the late reply!
walsalam 3alaikum.

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Marsho commented Jan 18, 2017

Assalamu aleykum,
well, it's been a long time, a lot of stuff happened, but i'm still here with an idea to add a translation :)
are you guys still interested in adding a Chechen translation, and do you still need the excel format you mentioned for that? And if so, can you tell me, if it will be easy to update the translation, for the author of translation is working on new edition of it, and if there is no option to update, he asks us to wait for few months more, in order to have newest edition.

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ahmedre commented Jan 27, 2017

wa3laikum alsalam @Marsho,
most certainly would love to have it. if you can send me a sqlite database, happy to have it, as long as it's a sunni translation (which insha'Allah it should be?) otherwise, csv format (sura, ayah, translation, one on each line for each ayah) would work too.
jazakAllah khairan.
walsalam 3alaikum.

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Marsho commented Jan 28, 2017

yes, it's a Sunni translation, for 100% of Chechens are sunni muslims. Ok i got it, i'll send it to you as soon possible (do you want me to upload it here or should i use email for that?).

so what about an updating the translation, will it be possible to update it when the new edition will be ready in few months?

wa iyyak,
wa alaykum assalam.

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ahmedre commented Jan 28, 2017

wa3laikum alsalam,
sure, you can add it here or email it, whichever is more comfortable for you.
this is all controlled server side, so we don't need a new release to do it.
walsalam 3alaikum.

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movsar commented Jan 28, 2017

@ahmedre assalam alaikum, I'm working with @Marsho on this idea to add the translation to your awesome project, by the way, thank you for it and may Allah be pleased with you all!

Currently we hold it in .doc file format, we can convert it to fit to the necessary excel file format, but there is one question.
In those translations, there are many footnotes to the translated text, where the meanings of certain words are explained from the author's perspective, so this creates the question: does your platform support adding notes to the translated text's words? Or must we left out them to make it work?
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ahmedre commented Jan 28, 2017

wa3laikum alsalam,
awesome, may Allah reward both of you!

that's up to you - we don't support footnotes now, so i think you have 3 options:

  1. only add the translation.
  2. add the translation and footnotes within it for each ayah.
  3. we can discuss and figure out a way to implement footnotes within the app.

walsalam 3alaikum.

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movsar commented Jan 30, 2017

[FOOTNOTES]
So we decided that we will prepare the text without the footnotes, but we would like to add some description if there is any possibility in the application that there is a full version out there with the footnotes so they could be warned that it is not the complete work as it were printed in a book form.

Also we would like to propose this feature to be implemented in the app in the future if your team will have possibility and want to do it. I think there are still other translations also which are already included in the application with compliance of its standards even though in the original texts they may have some kind of additional notes.

But we understand that you may need some work to do about it and time, so we are not "recommending" it or having a strong opinion on it because we don't feel that we are in the right position to do that. We are happy to have your application as it is now, and this chance to put our texts into it is very valuable to us. What we are saying is that if this feature as described above will ever be presented, we will be even more happy and grateful!)))

[CONVERTATION]
As I wrote in the previous message, we hold the texts in .doc file format. We are planning to convert them to HTML first, then clean it from unnecessary tags and styles, and then split the ayats and put them into excel file. We want to convert it initially to HTML because we want to save (with links) the footnotes for other project (we've got an app with chechen-only translation in it, so we'll be only updating its text. The reason why am I telling you this, is because I wanted to share the method that we will be using for the converting. This method may take a week or two before it's all done so if by chance you will have any better suggestions how to do that without HTML please share with us, we will be most thankful!

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ahmedre commented Feb 4, 2017

jazakAllah khairan, sounds good!

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nailhuseyn commented Mar 14, 2017

@Marsho Salam aleykum how I can get in touch with you re: Chechen translation

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Marsho commented Mar 30, 2017

@quranacademy wa aleykum assalam! vaystudio at gmail

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movsar commented Apr 18, 2017

@ahmedre at last I have managed to transform the files to the csv format, please let us know what else we need and I am really sorry for the delay!

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1N9Td4ah2QWWjBIanUxbFJQSTg?usp=sharing

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Marsho commented Jun 2, 2017

@ahmedre @afarra @hmaher @wnafee @mahmoudhossam assalamu aleykum dear brothers, wishing you blessed Ramadhan! and kindly asking if you could answer above, if the work which Movsar did is enough for our idea?

jazakumullahu khayr!

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Marsho commented Oct 1, 2017

@ahmedre @afarra @hmaher @wnafee @mahmoudhossam assalamu aleykum dear brothers, can you please answer above, if the work which Movsar did is enough for our idea? we're still waiting for the answer, since we did what you asked for.

jazakumullahu khayr!

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ozbek commented Oct 1, 2017

The real issue here, I think, is the project owners have no way of verifying the translations. Hence, is the wait @Marsho.

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Marsho commented Feb 4, 2018

assalamu aleykum brothers,

@ozbek but i was never informed about that. also, brothers just stopped answering and reacting in any way. i have no idea for what am i waiting. the thing is, that i asked a brother of mine to help and he did huge amount of work by transforming the files to the format which our admins asked all by himself, manually. and since then, there is just no any reaction, any information, any clarification on what the plans or problems are, so we could possibly help somehow.

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mahmoudhossam commented Feb 4, 2018

@Marsho I have not contributed code to this project since 2011, please refrain from mentioning me.

Thank you.

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naveed-ahmad commented Mar 22, 2018

@Marsho @movsar @ozbek Assalamu aleykum brothers, wow this issue been opened from five years!

Good news is we've implemented foot notes functionality, please attach latest translation with footnotes in doc format and i'll add it into quran.com(web app) inshAllah.

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movsar commented Mar 29, 2018

Dear @naveed-ahmad ,

Thank you for lettings us know about the recent update and ability to integrate the Chechen translation.
To get the necessary files, please review the comment I left before #295 (comment) or find the files attached to this message.

If you will need any information or some sort of official approval of its consistency and legitimacy, just let us know, what exactly and in which form you need. In such case we will meet the author of this translation and / or ask official representatives of Russian Islamic University in Grozny for help.

QuranChechen-20180329T163503Z-001.zip

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naveed-ahmad commented Mar 29, 2018

@movsar do you want to add footnotes? If yes then please send updated docs file, see the attached docs file to see the format.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kt2NQnve_b1OZp8nWummLkG3l62cMXeuDaiu8ZtstPk/edit?usp=sharing

But if simple translation is fine, then csv would works.

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movsar commented Mar 30, 2018

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oh, sorry, I thought those files included footnotes.
Here are the originals https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1N9Td4ah2QWbzl1ekxCT3NjQVU

Or should we remove Arabic first as in your files?

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naveed-ahmad commented Mar 31, 2018

@movsar I don't want to increase work on your side, this issue should have been closed years ago :(
But parsing one file would be much easier, do you've one docs with whole Quran?

If not, please export all docs as html and send the zip or you can upload each file to google docs and export them as html. Parsing html files is much easier than docs. You can leave the Arabic, no problem. Here, I've uploaded the surah Fatihah for your reference.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BSwlm9O5YVpPYfT134Y5aOLQEbQXrXZ2QA5Y4IhhgEo/edit?usp=sharing

naveedahmada036@gmail.com, please send zip on my email and ill parse them inshAllah.

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naveed-ahmad commented Apr 2, 2018

@movsar ^^

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movsar commented Apr 3, 2018

@naveed-ahmad sorry for my delay. Currently I am superbusy at my work and can't make time for it now. Hopefully I will combine all the files into one in Friday, but only as a *.docx format because converting it to clean html from *.docx is a heavy work, at least for me. So, if you will be able to convert it by yourself, I can combine the files in Friday and upload, if not, we'll have to look for someone to do the convertation and that might not be soon (((

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naveed-ahmad commented Apr 3, 2018

@movsar I think combining 114 files into one docs is time consuming, then you can just export this in html with single click :)

No problem, send the docs and i'll do the rest inshAllah.

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Marsho commented May 23, 2018

Assalamu aleykum, brothers! Ramadan Mubarak!
So i just merged 114 doc files into one, using the standard MS Word (insert from a file) function. Can you please check it and say if it will work?

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wMd40KOJa7R_A4rnZtWUl5btC42AnyJb/view?usp=sharing

Jazakumullahu khayr in advance.

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Marsho commented Jun 2, 2018

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Issue up

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Marsho commented Jul 2, 2018

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Still have hope for reaction

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naveed-ahmad commented Oct 21, 2018

@Marsho can you send me an email naveedahmada036@gmail.com there are some issues that we need to discuss before publishing this translation. Sorry I had parsed this translation months ago but forget to reply here.

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