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dovy commented Jul 12, 2015

@fairwinds @motin @mital

So what happened?! TideKit was in "beta" and being deployed to actual users and you up and disappear? If you really worried about the competitors, why not just open-source the code?

Can we get a refund? We'd really like to get our money back, it has been 2 years since I signed up.

And if not, PLEASE give me the source code. I'll keep it free and the community will make something better.

P.S. Who were your competitors? I don't know anyone who could compete...

Devs, post how much you paid and when so we maybe can get a refund.

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Hey dovy. I haven't been a part of it in ages. We parted ways a long time ago. It's all @fairwinds and mital.

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@fairwinds @Paratron @motin @syamilmj @meeech

So what happened?! TideKit was in "beta" and being deployed to actual users and you up and disappear? If you really worried about the competitors, why not just open-source the code?

Can we get a refund? We'd really like to get our money back, it has been 2 years since I signed up.

And if not, PLEASE give me the source code. I'll keep it free and the community will make something better.

P.S. Who were your competitors? I don't know anyone who could compete...


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meeech commented Jul 12, 2015

Hey dovy. I haven't been a part of it in ages. We parted ways a long time ago. It's all @fairwinds and mital.

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@fairwinds @Paratron @motin @syamilmj @meeech

So what happened?! TideKit was in "beta" and being deployed to actual users and you up and disappear? If you really worried about the competitors, why not just open-source the code?

Can we get a refund? We'd really like to get our money back, it has been 2 years since I signed up.

And if not, PLEASE give me the source code. I'll keep it free and the community will make something better.

P.S. Who were your competitors? I don't know anyone who could compete...


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rovillesarate Jul 12, 2015

Yup give our money back.

rovillesarate commented Jul 12, 2015

Yup give our money back.

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@meeech Thank you for the details.

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@meeech Thank you for the details.

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@mital Care to chime in here? Can we have the source code?

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dovy commented Jul 12, 2015

@mital Care to chime in here? Can we have the source code?

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For the record, I was slot #617, paid $29.00 June 21, 2014.

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dovy commented Jul 12, 2015

For the record, I was slot #617, paid $29.00 June 21, 2014.

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Yup, we were only part of it when it was opensource under http://tidesdk.org

Paratron commented Jul 12, 2015

Yup, we were only part of it when it was opensource under http://tidesdk.org

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By the way: why are we referenced here? Aaaand why is this an issue thread in this repo? I am confused. :)

Paratron commented Jul 12, 2015

By the way: why are we referenced here? Aaaand why is this an issue thread in this repo? I am confused. :)

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mattkenefick Jul 12, 2015

I don't really care much about it, but I paid $99 back March 2nd, 2014.

mattkenefick commented Jul 12, 2015

I don't really care much about it, but I paid $99 back March 2nd, 2014.

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Be great, if they'll publish code to open source.

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Be great, if they'll publish code to open source.

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I don't care much about the money itself, but the way this was handled doesn't sit well with me. I'm No. 655, 2014/07/21

cobalamin commented Jul 12, 2015

I don't care much about the money itself, but the way this was handled doesn't sit well with me. I'm No. 655, 2014/07/21

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Also paid $99. If your not a part of their team anymore could you atleast give us their name so we can get our money back?

rovillesarate commented Jul 12, 2015

Also paid $99. If your not a part of their team anymore could you atleast give us their name so we can get our money back?

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@Paratron, just trying to get to the bottom of this. Thank you for the clarification. You have been removed.

This repo is just an empty github notification repo. ;) We're using it to try and contact those behind TideKit to see if anything is possible. ;)

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@Paratron, just trying to get to the bottom of this. Thank you for the clarification. You have been removed.

This repo is just an empty github notification repo. ;) We're using it to try and contact those behind TideKit to see if anything is possible. ;)

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I agree with cobalamin. They just disappeared and even blocked all of their followers. Said they are closing without mentioning about the refund. They dont need to release the beta yet but they should have atleast shown a video of the tool working so we would know whats happening to the development.

rovillesarate commented Jul 12, 2015

I agree with cobalamin. They just disappeared and even blocked all of their followers. Said they are closing without mentioning about the refund. They dont need to release the beta yet but they should have atleast shown a video of the tool working so we would know whats happening to the development.

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@rovillesarate I highly doubt they have any money. I'm sure they spent it all on.. food, resources, etc. I wouldn't get your hopes up for any refund. My guess is that they're just going to vanish into the abyss, much like their "product."

mattkenefick commented Jul 12, 2015

@rovillesarate I highly doubt they have any money. I'm sure they spent it all on.. food, resources, etc. I wouldn't get your hopes up for any refund. My guess is that they're just going to vanish into the abyss, much like their "product."

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Okay I see. As far as I am informed it was only David (fairwinds) and mital at the end. You should contact them. Also that in the op post is the personal mail address of my friend Christian, who is no CEO of anything related to tidekit.

Paratron commented Jul 12, 2015

Okay I see. As far as I am informed it was only David (fairwinds) and mital at the end. You should contact them. Also that in the op post is the personal mail address of my friend Christian, who is no CEO of anything related to tidekit.

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Oh, and never was. Thats important...

Paratron commented Jul 12, 2015

Oh, and never was. Thats important...

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$99 for me

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$99 for me

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@Paratron Email removed. Thank you for the info. Just trying to bring the responsible parties to at least come clean even if there is no money. The email was beyond ridiculous.

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@Paratron Email removed. Thank you for the info. Just trying to bring the responsible parties to at least come clean even if there is no money. The email was beyond ridiculous.

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Yeah, very understandable. I am sorry for the lost money :( Out of interest: where did you get our names and mail addresses from?

Paratron commented Jul 12, 2015

Yeah, very understandable. I am sorry for the lost money :( Out of interest: where did you get our names and mail addresses from?

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Twitter messages by people trying to find who's involved and historic cache of TideSDK since all other repos have been deleted. Lol.

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Twitter messages by people trying to find who's involved and historic cache of TideSDK since all other repos have been deleted. Lol.

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Okay, I see. But please keep in mind that TideSDK is the predecessor to TideKit - TideSDK was the open-source project that evolved from Appcelerator Titanium Desktop.

Paratron commented Jul 12, 2015

Okay, I see. But please keep in mind that TideSDK is the predecessor to TideKit - TideSDK was the open-source project that evolved from Appcelerator Titanium Desktop.

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I was #691 $29, Sept 1, 2014. Forget the money.. it's gone, and it doesn't appear that there was that much if only 209 people signed up between 9/1/2014 and 5/7/2015. $21K at most in that timeframe.

As far as I can see, every update was fiction, and the summation email was a big "haha, F@C* YOU" from those involved. If they really cared about the platform, they would have done something to open source it, even if all of it couldn't be made available.

How about even just saying "I'm in over my head..." and asking the community for help? Nope... why would you when clearly you did no work to be proud of and would have to come clean about the money.

Their posts discuss "TideKit's Isomeric Apps™" (SIC), and on June 5th, David forked "ISOMORPHIC-flux" iam4x/isomorphic-flux-boilerplate . I presume this was a mad-dash attempt to produce something to the "membership".

Man up, David, and tell us wtf happened.

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I was #691 $29, Sept 1, 2014. Forget the money.. it's gone, and it doesn't appear that there was that much if only 209 people signed up between 9/1/2014 and 5/7/2015. $21K at most in that timeframe.

As far as I can see, every update was fiction, and the summation email was a big "haha, F@C* YOU" from those involved. If they really cared about the platform, they would have done something to open source it, even if all of it couldn't be made available.

How about even just saying "I'm in over my head..." and asking the community for help? Nope... why would you when clearly you did no work to be proud of and would have to come clean about the money.

Their posts discuss "TideKit's Isomeric Apps™" (SIC), and on June 5th, David forked "ISOMORPHIC-flux" iam4x/isomorphic-flux-boilerplate . I presume this was a mad-dash attempt to produce something to the "membership".

Man up, David, and tell us wtf happened.

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I had my hopes and expectations with Tidekit, no joke, I was doing an app which utilizes tidesdk and I was expecting tidekit to solve some of my most critical logic issues.

For my surprise, I just check out tidesdk project and WTF! everything is down?!!?!? that is outrageous and sadly I have to work on what I have on hand.... better to perform a git with the current public API and downloads, plus sourcecode and installers... at least I was lucky enough to install and keep the installers in a new laptop two days ago...

tbogard commented Jul 12, 2015

I had my hopes and expectations with Tidekit, no joke, I was doing an app which utilizes tidesdk and I was expecting tidekit to solve some of my most critical logic issues.

For my surprise, I just check out tidesdk project and WTF! everything is down?!!?!? that is outrageous and sadly I have to work on what I have on hand.... better to perform a git with the current public API and downloads, plus sourcecode and installers... at least I was lucky enough to install and keep the installers in a new laptop two days ago...

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At least if no product, please give us the source code and leave it open source, as community we can work to improve and perfect what you guys sadly didn't complete for free.

tbogard commented Jul 12, 2015

At least if no product, please give us the source code and leave it open source, as community we can work to improve and perfect what you guys sadly didn't complete for free.

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AND IS F*CKUNG SUNDAY!!!!! NOT EVEN MONDAY!

tbogard commented Jul 12, 2015

AND IS F*CKUNG SUNDAY!!!!! NOT EVEN MONDAY!

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At the least there should be a fork of the tidesdk code up on gh. Else I'll upload it when I get a chance.
Re: email people referring to, can't comment since I haven't seen it.
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AND IS F*CKUNG SUNDAY!!!!! NOT EVEN MONDAY!


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meeech commented Jul 12, 2015

At the least there should be a fork of the tidesdk code up on gh. Else I'll upload it when I get a chance.
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AND IS F*CKUNG SUNDAY!!!!! NOT EVEN MONDAY!


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If I had to hazard a guess, I'd place my bet on Webinos and/or Zurb as the foundation for what they were trying to accomplish, if it even got past TideSDK. @fairwinds opened an issue on zurb/foundation in 2014.

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If I had to hazard a guess, I'd place my bet on Webinos and/or Zurb as the foundation for what they were trying to accomplish, if it even got past TideSDK. @fairwinds opened an issue on zurb/foundation in 2014.

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Accordingly to one of my sources, they developed almost everything, it was not vaporware at all. They make desk apps with no problems but difficulties with mobile lead them with the problems they have now.

tbogard commented Jul 12, 2015

Accordingly to one of my sources, they developed almost everything, it was not vaporware at all. They make desk apps with no problems but difficulties with mobile lead them with the problems they have now.

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WHERE ARE MY 30 DAY TRIAL ? hum ? Do you want all passenger come to you and let you see the moon in front of you ?

I hope all bastards founder of scam tidekit can see that, because we are very very very edgy about your laborious communication !

Thx for this thread, continue the fight, mafia have nothing to do in our world.

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PASSENGER
Julien Moulin
PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU
000347
STATUS
Early Bird

WHERE ARE MY 30 DAY TRIAL ? hum ? Do you want all passenger come to you and let you see the moon in front of you ?

I hope all bastards founder of scam tidekit can see that, because we are very very very edgy about your laborious communication !

Thx for this thread, continue the fight, mafia have nothing to do in our world.

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Well, according to their website's whois information. They are owned by a Canadian company named CoastalForge.

Registry Registrant ID: 
Registrant Name: System Administrator
Registrant Organization: CoastalForge Inc
Registrant Street: 1959 Upper Water Street
Registrant Street: Suite 1700, Purdy's Tower 1
Registrant City: Halifax
Registrant State/Province: Nova Scotia
Registrant Postal Code: B3J 3N2
Registrant Country: Canada
Registrant Phone: +1.8554392000

I'm pretty sure they would be easy to track down. I am also pretty sure that Canadian law would allow legal action.

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Well, according to their website's whois information. They are owned by a Canadian company named CoastalForge.

Registry Registrant ID: 
Registrant Name: System Administrator
Registrant Organization: CoastalForge Inc
Registrant Street: 1959 Upper Water Street
Registrant Street: Suite 1700, Purdy's Tower 1
Registrant City: Halifax
Registrant State/Province: Nova Scotia
Registrant Postal Code: B3J 3N2
Registrant Country: Canada
Registrant Phone: +1.8554392000

I'm pretty sure they would be easy to track down. I am also pretty sure that Canadian law would allow legal action.

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Thanks,

Remember, this went on for a very long period of time. They pretty much promised what no cross-platform developer could resist. I fully suspect that when it was all said and done they had collected a very large sum of money, more than anyone imagines they did. They never provided any real evidence that they had developed anything. They also terminated in a very suspicious way, trying to ensure that no trace of them was left behind. They could have also been manipulating the seat numbers, something that will be revealed once we have enough receipts and seat number confirmations.

Disclaimers do not make them exempt from wire fraud laws and civil responsibilities. They wasted everyone's time and money and with how they decided to exit, I'm certain that they perpetrated fraud as well.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

Zensin commented Jul 24, 2015

Thanks,

Remember, this went on for a very long period of time. They pretty much promised what no cross-platform developer could resist. I fully suspect that when it was all said and done they had collected a very large sum of money, more than anyone imagines they did. They never provided any real evidence that they had developed anything. They also terminated in a very suspicious way, trying to ensure that no trace of them was left behind. They could have also been manipulating the seat numbers, something that will be revealed once we have enough receipts and seat number confirmations.

Disclaimers do not make them exempt from wire fraud laws and civil responsibilities. They wasted everyone's time and money and with how they decided to exit, I'm certain that they perpetrated fraud as well.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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Well, I'm about to start making phone calls. If they really did code all that they claim, they have a chance to avoid being pursued by releasing all the code to GH (If I poll the users and they agree to it). That's their only hope.

If you're reading this Coastal Forge (And I'm assuming you will), this is not a joke. The amount of money involved here is more than enough for an international investigation and lawsuit, prolonged legal fees, restitution, and possible incarceration. Being in Canada will not protect you. I've gone through a similar situation before with a Canadian CEO who tried to scam me and ruin my hosting business by accepting money for datacenter services he didn't fully provide because he ran out of money via spending his company's income. I easily won and it involved much less money than what you've taken in from TideKit.

I'm not a mean guy but I don't stand by while people get taken advantage of. People had a right to complain to you on social media. The fact that you used that as your excuse for shutting down (Among other things) indicates wrongdoing. My company was planning on using the exact services we paid to have access to. Maybe all of us who did should include in a civil suit loss of revenue and damage to our market share reputation.

Many things are possible here. You have a small window to make this right (If you even can) before it starts coming down on you. I suggest you stop trying to hide because I do have the resources to find you and pursue this and I'll have a lot of people backing me in a very short time.

To the people who paid: Please make sure that you send us both emails that they sent you when you paid (If you have them). One has your queue number, the other is a receipt. If you only have one of the two we'll take it but both is better.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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Well, I'm about to start making phone calls. If they really did code all that they claim, they have a chance to avoid being pursued by releasing all the code to GH (If I poll the users and they agree to it). That's their only hope.

If you're reading this Coastal Forge (And I'm assuming you will), this is not a joke. The amount of money involved here is more than enough for an international investigation and lawsuit, prolonged legal fees, restitution, and possible incarceration. Being in Canada will not protect you. I've gone through a similar situation before with a Canadian CEO who tried to scam me and ruin my hosting business by accepting money for datacenter services he didn't fully provide because he ran out of money via spending his company's income. I easily won and it involved much less money than what you've taken in from TideKit.

I'm not a mean guy but I don't stand by while people get taken advantage of. People had a right to complain to you on social media. The fact that you used that as your excuse for shutting down (Among other things) indicates wrongdoing. My company was planning on using the exact services we paid to have access to. Maybe all of us who did should include in a civil suit loss of revenue and damage to our market share reputation.

Many things are possible here. You have a small window to make this right (If you even can) before it starts coming down on you. I suggest you stop trying to hide because I do have the resources to find you and pursue this and I'll have a lot of people backing me in a very short time.

To the people who paid: Please make sure that you send us both emails that they sent you when you paid (If you have them). One has your queue number, the other is a receipt. If you only have one of the two we'll take it but both is better.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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I sent you the second email with the queue number in it. I paid $90 and was 822 in the queue, so I guess potentially more than $100,000 was taken.

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I sent you the second email with the queue number in it. I paid $90 and was 822 in the queue, so I guess potentially more than $100,000 was taken.

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Actually, I'm thinking can I find some open source project that has a lot of promise if only someone did some work on it to clean up the rough edges and make it into a usable product, ask people to chip in for tickets, maybe put it up on kickstarter or something, pull in $100K and drop out of my current job and spend a year trying to get my own business off the ground... ;-)

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Actually, I'm thinking can I find some open source project that has a lot of promise if only someone did some work on it to clean up the rough edges and make it into a usable product, ask people to chip in for tickets, maybe put it up on kickstarter or something, pull in $100K and drop out of my current job and spend a year trying to get my own business off the ground... ;-)

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If they had done it on Kickstarter things would have been very different but they solicited payments on their own sales site and lead us to believe they were about to launch several times (Completely assuring us at times and giving us specific dates) in an effort to convince us to buy seats/early copies of their non-existent software. But yeah, I get the meaning of your sarcasm towards them.

Update: I'll have an important announcement later tonight. I've made a bit of important progress but I can't post about it until later.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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If they had done it on Kickstarter things would have been very different but they solicited payments on their own sales site and lead us to believe they were about to launch several times (Completely assuring us at times and giving us specific dates) in an effort to convince us to buy seats/early copies of their non-existent software. But yeah, I get the meaning of your sarcasm towards them.

Update: I'll have an important announcement later tonight. I've made a bit of important progress but I can't post about it until later.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
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Does anyone know what payment processor/merchant service they were using?

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Does anyone know what payment processor/merchant service they were using?

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Clearly a criminal act ... Just my 2 cents worth...

itsmueller commented Jul 24, 2015

Clearly a criminal act ... Just my 2 cents worth...

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@dubcanada
I would suggest people move onto something like
Electron - http://electron.atom.io/

I've been trying electron out today. It was very easy to turn a web app into a standalone desktop app using electron. For the present that is good enough for me - I want a web version where a limited set of features will be available, but to re-use the same code for a fuller desktop version of my application.

Can electron be used for mobile apps? I'm won't be targeting mobile but its always interesting to know.

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@dubcanada
I would suggest people move onto something like
Electron - http://electron.atom.io/

I've been trying electron out today. It was very easy to turn a web app into a standalone desktop app using electron. For the present that is good enough for me - I want a web version where a limited set of features will be available, but to re-use the same code for a fuller desktop version of my application.

Can electron be used for mobile apps? I'm won't be targeting mobile but its always interesting to know.

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@rupertlssmith No, for Desktops only:

Electron apps build and run on Mac, Windows, and Linux.

cobalamin commented Jul 24, 2015

@rupertlssmith No, for Desktops only:

Electron apps build and run on Mac, Windows, and Linux.

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@rupertlssmith No, It only works to make desktop apps. Actually I wanted tidekit to make only desktop apps, fuck mobile...

tbogard commented Jul 24, 2015

@rupertlssmith No, It only works to make desktop apps. Actually I wanted tidekit to make only desktop apps, fuck mobile...

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rupertlssmith Jul 24, 2015

So what was it that TideKit was going to do to help develop desktop apps? Basically something similar to what electron does?

I used to develop UIs a decade ago, but was purely server side for a long time. Now I'm coming back to doing some UI work and as you can imagine, things have moved on a bit..! I'm just telling you this to explain why I am asking noob questions. I have put together a little app in AngularJS and wrapped it up with Electron, it didn't seem too hard to do.

I was interested in TideKit for the mobile aspect, because although I don't need it now, it seemed to make sense to invest in learning technologies that keep that route open for me.

rupertlssmith commented Jul 24, 2015

So what was it that TideKit was going to do to help develop desktop apps? Basically something similar to what electron does?

I used to develop UIs a decade ago, but was purely server side for a long time. Now I'm coming back to doing some UI work and as you can imagine, things have moved on a bit..! I'm just telling you this to explain why I am asking noob questions. I have put together a little app in AngularJS and wrapped it up with Electron, it didn't seem too hard to do.

I was interested in TideKit for the mobile aspect, because although I don't need it now, it seemed to make sense to invest in learning technologies that keep that route open for me.

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Tidekit is not like a "server" that servers pages, it is a self-4contained app in a webkit browser.

tbogard commented Jul 24, 2015

Tidekit is not like a "server" that servers pages, it is a self-4contained app in a webkit browser.

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Just to complete the picture, I must also put in a word for React. Although not in the same league as write-once-run-anywhere that TideKit was shooting to be, React is a first-class web framework that extends familiar coding paradigms to iOS (and soon Android) with React Native. I've seen a sample and it runs as smooth as any other native app, IMO.

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Just to complete the picture, I must also put in a word for React. Although not in the same league as write-once-run-anywhere that TideKit was shooting to be, React is a first-class web framework that extends familiar coding paradigms to iOS (and soon Android) with React Native. I've seen a sample and it runs as smooth as any other native app, IMO.

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I had also previously tried CEF, actually it may have been JCEF, the Java version of it, and it may also have been some time ago. I do remember that its HTML5 support did not score too well, and applications that I had running on the web and viewing with chrome, didn't run without glitches under it.

I just tried out electron, pointing it at: https://html5test.com/. It scored 505, versus 506 for the version of chrome I am running. Good enough for me!

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I had also previously tried CEF, actually it may have been JCEF, the Java version of it, and it may also have been some time ago. I do remember that its HTML5 support did not score too well, and applications that I had running on the web and viewing with chrome, didn't run without glitches under it.

I just tried out electron, pointing it at: https://html5test.com/. It scored 505, versus 506 for the version of chrome I am running. Good enough for me!

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Please guys, may I kindly ask you to move discussions about frameworks, etc... to a different forum? Otherwise this spot will be washed-out soon...
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tiptronic commented Jul 24, 2015

Please guys, may I kindly ask you to move discussions about frameworks, etc... to a different forum? Otherwise this spot will be washed-out soon...
thx

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rupertlssmith Jul 24, 2015

Ok, I'll shut up now. But a few pointers on where to look next, now that we aren't getting TideKit has been helpful thanks.

rupertlssmith commented Jul 24, 2015

Ok, I'll shut up now. But a few pointers on where to look next, now that we aren't getting TideKit has been helpful thanks.

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And @motin is not even sort of involved, so I have no idea why his name is here.

Thanks @dubcanada for clarifying that. I guess it was because I was an open source contributor to TideSDK in 2012. I too fell for the empty promises of @fairwinds and @mital and thought that TideSDK could be beneficial for my client's project. Ended up writing about alternatives to TideSDK on http://blog.neamlabs.com/post/36584972328/2012-11-26-web-app-cross-platform-desktop-distribution and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11015811/html5-desktop-wrapper-framework, the latter SO response has been rather updated since it was posted so some good alternatives may be found there.

I ended up spending around 60-80h on TideSDK development without getting any value from it, nor having it benefit anyone else since the project soon became vaporware :(

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And @motin is not even sort of involved, so I have no idea why his name is here.

Thanks @dubcanada for clarifying that. I guess it was because I was an open source contributor to TideSDK in 2012. I too fell for the empty promises of @fairwinds and @mital and thought that TideSDK could be beneficial for my client's project. Ended up writing about alternatives to TideSDK on http://blog.neamlabs.com/post/36584972328/2012-11-26-web-app-cross-platform-desktop-distribution and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11015811/html5-desktop-wrapper-framework, the latter SO response has been rather updated since it was posted so some good alternatives may be found there.

I ended up spending around 60-80h on TideSDK development without getting any value from it, nor having it benefit anyone else since the project soon became vaporware :(

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The only thing that needs to be said about alternatives is that sure, there are things out there like electron and nw.js for desktop. Cordova/Phonegap, Xamarin, and Titanium for mobile. But to my knowledge there's nothing that promised what TideKit did, both desktop and mobile HTML5 development with native attributes from one platform and for them to try to obscure their existence after taking in so much money just because people were getting upset with their incompetence and outright lies is highly suspect. Think of how each step went. How even after so long of promoting their platform they kept inventing new ways of holding people by a thread and getting more payments. I knew there was no TideKit as soon as I saw that Roadmap page come online. Remember when they promised it would be out for last Christmas, shortly before Christmas? That was to get more payments.

I've seen people run scams before and they played it very well. They may have intended in the beginning to create something (And that's up for debate) but I'm willing to bet that after long it was about nothing more than keeping the community believing by using their technical knowledge to make it seem as though they had such a platform almost finished. I have some updates to post this evening on our progress.

They've tried to erase themselves from the net but they were not successful. The first thing we're doing is establishing legal cause by collecting as much evidence as possible. We'll likely know what their response is going to be once they're served with their first legal notice (Likely a notice to appear in a court of law) and their accounting records seized. If anyone can tell me who was processing their payments for them it would be a great help as well.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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The only thing that needs to be said about alternatives is that sure, there are things out there like electron and nw.js for desktop. Cordova/Phonegap, Xamarin, and Titanium for mobile. But to my knowledge there's nothing that promised what TideKit did, both desktop and mobile HTML5 development with native attributes from one platform and for them to try to obscure their existence after taking in so much money just because people were getting upset with their incompetence and outright lies is highly suspect. Think of how each step went. How even after so long of promoting their platform they kept inventing new ways of holding people by a thread and getting more payments. I knew there was no TideKit as soon as I saw that Roadmap page come online. Remember when they promised it would be out for last Christmas, shortly before Christmas? That was to get more payments.

I've seen people run scams before and they played it very well. They may have intended in the beginning to create something (And that's up for debate) but I'm willing to bet that after long it was about nothing more than keeping the community believing by using their technical knowledge to make it seem as though they had such a platform almost finished. I have some updates to post this evening on our progress.

They've tried to erase themselves from the net but they were not successful. The first thing we're doing is establishing legal cause by collecting as much evidence as possible. We'll likely know what their response is going to be once they're served with their first legal notice (Likely a notice to appear in a court of law) and their accounting records seized. If anyone can tell me who was processing their payments for them it would be a great help as well.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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But to my knowledge there's nothing that promised what TideKit did

Correct. I talked directly to David some time ago. The stated goal was that it was not merely a kind of "HTML wrapper", but had all sorts of native bindings across platforms. Which I was skeptical about because it's insanely ambitious. Even doing something like node-webkit is hard.

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But to my knowledge there's nothing that promised what TideKit did

Correct. I talked directly to David some time ago. The stated goal was that it was not merely a kind of "HTML wrapper", but had all sorts of native bindings across platforms. Which I was skeptical about because it's insanely ambitious. Even doing something like node-webkit is hard.

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What are the full names of the people behind Coastal Forge? I have a lot of information about the company so far but was never privy to the names of those involved.

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What are the full names of the people behind Coastal Forge? I have a lot of information about the company so far but was never privy to the names of those involved.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
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Guys. Im also mad with the developers of tidekit but can we move to another forum. I think its inappropriate for us to flood the reduxframework thread when it has nothing to do with their framework. They are not even a part of the tidekit team and not even one of the victim. Would someone be able to create our own thread for this so we dont bother those who are not involved at this. Again, i would like to apologize to the creator of the reduxframework. I think its about time to transfer this to our own forum or thread.

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Guys. Im also mad with the developers of tidekit but can we move to another forum. I think its inappropriate for us to flood the reduxframework thread when it has nothing to do with their framework. They are not even a part of the tidekit team and not even one of the victim. Would someone be able to create our own thread for this so we dont bother those who are not involved at this. Again, i would like to apologize to the creator of the reduxframework. I think its about time to transfer this to our own forum or thread.

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We can move to another place. I'll arrange it. This thread should stay in place though if redux doesn't mind.

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We can move to another place. I'll arrange it. This thread should stay in place though if redux doesn't mind.

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I run redux. I set this up since I wanted to be sure the repo wouldn't magically disappear.

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I run redux. I set this up since I wanted to be sure the repo wouldn't magically disappear.

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ok @dovy I thought we were using a thread from another repo. but if your the one managing it then i guess its ok to use this for the tidekit lawsuit conversation since its hard to make conversation like this in twitter.

rovillesarate commented Jul 25, 2015

ok @dovy I thought we were using a thread from another repo. but if your the one managing it then i guess its ok to use this for the tidekit lawsuit conversation since its hard to make conversation like this in twitter.

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@dovy @rovillesarate I'm going to setup at an alternate location for more extensive conversation. The Twitter is just good for identifying former customers and giving quick updates.

I'd also like to mention that these efforts will not be in vein. Either we'll wind up with a settlement, code (If there is any worth having), a loss of money by the Coastal Forge owners (This is going to happen no matter what due to extensive legal fees), their imprisonment, or a combination of these things.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
https://twitter.com/TideKitLawsuit

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@dovy @rovillesarate I'm going to setup at an alternate location for more extensive conversation. The Twitter is just good for identifying former customers and giving quick updates.

I'd also like to mention that these efforts will not be in vein. Either we'll wind up with a settlement, code (If there is any worth having), a loss of money by the Coastal Forge owners (This is going to happen no matter what due to extensive legal fees), their imprisonment, or a combination of these things.

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We've just started a chat, file & tweet archive at https://tidekitlawsuit.slack.com . Anyone who emails their receipts to us will be invited.

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We've just started a chat, file & tweet archive at https://tidekitlawsuit.slack.com . Anyone who emails their receipts to us will be invited.

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Hi guys, I was involved with Appcelerator Titanium community in 2011-2012. I was in the original meeting to choose the original TideSDK name & I purchased the TideSDK.org domain & twitter handle. But David Pratt insisted on having these under his ownership - so they were transferred over. Then TideKit & CoastalForge magically appeared. I haven't been involved since then, I'm happy to CC all the emails between David & I if required.

Details of initial meeting:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140616170949/http://www.tidesdk.org/blog/2012/03/05/5th-march-2012-minutes/

Hope this helps someone.

molinto commented Sep 15, 2015

Hi guys, I was involved with Appcelerator Titanium community in 2011-2012. I was in the original meeting to choose the original TideSDK name & I purchased the TideSDK.org domain & twitter handle. But David Pratt insisted on having these under his ownership - so they were transferred over. Then TideKit & CoastalForge magically appeared. I haven't been involved since then, I'm happy to CC all the emails between David & I if required.

Details of initial meeting:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140616170949/http://www.tidesdk.org/blog/2012/03/05/5th-march-2012-minutes/

Hope this helps someone.

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I've posted an update to the Twitter and Slack. @molinto The PDF of the minutes of that meeting aren't in wayback. Could you please email anything you have to tidekitlawsuit@gmail.com? Thank you.

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Zensin commented Sep 16, 2015

I've posted an update to the Twitter and Slack. @molinto The PDF of the minutes of that meeting aren't in wayback. Could you please email anything you have to tidekitlawsuit@gmail.com? Thank you.

TideKitLawSuit@gmail.com
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molinto commented Sep 16, 2015

Done :)

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