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make the REmacs icon distinct from the default Emacs icon #360

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@chenl chenl commented Oct 13, 2017

Please excuse the crudity of this model. I didn't have time to build
it to scale or paint it...

Err, actually painting it, is the only thing I did. Also it took
Emacs a long time to move over from using ugly design, and I am afraid
this might be considered a regression.

If there is someone knowing what he/she is doing, please feel free to
make this nicer.

Also I will not be offended if this PR would be rejected.

shanavas786 and others added 5 commits Oct 12, 2017
Please excuse the crudity of this model. I didn't have time to build
it to scale or paint it...

Err, actually painting it, is the only thing I did.  Also it took
Emacs a long time to move over from using ugly design, and I am afraid
this might be considered a regression.

If there is someone knowing what he/she is doing, please feel free to
make this nicer.

Also I will not be insulted if this PR would be rejected.
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@Wilfred Wilfred commented Oct 14, 2017

Looks great! Having some sort of distinctive icon is definitely a good thing. We might want to explore a different design (perhaps a stylised R?) but this a really good start.

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@ZelphirKaltstahl ZelphirKaltstahl commented Oct 14, 2017

How about an "R" as beautifully written as the "E" of Emacs?

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@chenl chenl commented Oct 15, 2017

As I see it, there are several design elements that can be combined:

From the Emacs side we have the stylised E that was intended to resemble the Gnu's horns, we also have the purple sphere, that although rather new, is wildly excepted, and became part of the design element of the Emacs branding.

From the Rust side there is the industrial R, the gear, a rusty color pallet (that is unofficial but wildly used), and Ferris.

Any of those can be combined, including as suggested just the styling of the E with the R letter (or the other way around).

The main point, IMHO, is that for a long time the Emacs visuals where so ugly as to detract from its adoption, that stemmed for the fact the people involved where infatuated with the idea of combining the word Emacs with a image of a Gnu, with no regard to actual aesthetics and with no professional to help them with this regard. Please don't go that way with REmacs.

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@chenl chenl commented Oct 15, 2017

And one more observation: I was using the modified icon for about a day, and:

  1. It isn't as ugly as I was fearing. It looks good both in a large and small scale. I also became to like the concept of a rusty Emacs.
  2. It is really nice to have a distinct icon for each version of REmacs and to easily know if I am in a normal or experimental editor.
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@shanavas786 shanavas786 commented Oct 15, 2017

Finally managed to create some :)

  1. remacs

  2. remacs-4

  3. remacs-3

source: remacs.zip

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@ZelphirKaltstahl ZelphirKaltstahl commented Oct 15, 2017

Ha, using the cog wheel - that looks good too. It can also be interpreted as "something that works with Emacs on the inside".

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@chenl chenl commented Oct 15, 2017

@shanavas786 suggestions look grate, just make sure that they also work well at small size.

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@shanavas786 shanavas786 commented Oct 15, 2017

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@Wilfred Wilfred commented Oct 15, 2017

Those look brilliant! 👑

I think the more limited colour palette in 2 and 3 will probably work better at small sizes.

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@chenl chenl commented Oct 15, 2017

@shanavas786 perhaps I wasn't expressing myself correctly. When I say also work well at small size, I meant visually (i.e. when shrunk it should still look good).

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@shanavas786 shanavas786 commented Oct 15, 2017

I see. I will try, though my design skills are not good enough.
Feel free to modify those. Any help is appreciated.

Suggestions 2 and 3 of E form GNU Emacs + Rust's cog (simplifying #2)
Also my suggestion, and the original GNU Emacs icon.
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@chenl chenl commented Oct 16, 2017

Although I thing the E + Cog design is very good, and can be a grate logo, at a small scale the gear teeth tend to get washed out.

Here we have:

[Emacs original] [@chenl's suggestion]
[@shanavas786's no.2 (simplified)] [@shanavas786's no.3]

just the icons

just the icons

within a screenshot

screenshot

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@WolfeCub WolfeCub commented Oct 17, 2017

In my opinion the orange colored Emacs logo is the best. The cogs end up being too small to look good in smaller icons whereas the orange really differentiates itself from the regular Emacs logo.

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@nasciiboy nasciiboy commented Oct 17, 2017

3 > orange > 2 > 1

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@ZelphirKaltstahl ZelphirKaltstahl commented Oct 17, 2017

An idea is to give the cog wheel less teeth and bigger ones. Then it might be more recognizable in small sizes.

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@shaleh shaleh commented Oct 26, 2017

Should we merge the current version and then work on improving it?

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@Wilfred Wilfred commented Oct 29, 2017

I agree with @shaleh: let's merge this PR, and we can follow up with improvements.

@Wilfred Wilfred merged commit 9f15bbc into remacs:master Oct 29, 2017
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