Signature above original message on reply #991

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rcubetrac opened this Issue Mar 7, 2007 · 44 comments

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Reported by HYS on 7 Mar 2007 12:01 UTC as Trac ticket #1484272

Now the signature is placed completely below the body of the message. I'd like to have my signature under my answer and above the original message.

Keywords: signature
Migrated-From: http://trac.roundcube.net/ticket/1484272

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Comment by crichardson on 7 Mar 2007 14:50 UTC

as far as I know most mail clients do not handle sigs this way.

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Comment by jpingle on 8 Mar 2007 02:30 UTC

Not to mention that top-posting is generally frowned upon in terms of netiquette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_styles). But to each their own...

I have seen some mailers that insert the signature at the bottom of a reply, even if it's at the top of the message. Generally, these automatically paste the signature in the message before you start typing, and do not tack it on after you hit 'send'. Usually it's larger corporate-types who like to do this. Why, I don't know. Top-posting screws up the natural flow of discussion.

I propose two additional user preferences:

  1. An option, as in Thunderbird, to place your cursor at the top or bottom of a reply.
  2. An option to either insert the signature before you start composing or on send.

If a person chooses to both top-post and insert the signature before sending, what this particular person wants to do could be accomplished. If the signature is not inserted at the start, there is no way for RC to know where the quoted text really begins, and thus no way to know where to automatically place the signature.

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Comment by @till on 1 Sep 2007 14:18 UTC

I don't really want to support that.

The "-- " in a signature, makes any good email client remove what's underneath of it. So when you put your signature before the quoted text. You lose it later on in discussion. For me that makes no sense to support.

A signature is supposed to be underneath of it.

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Milestone changed by @till on 1 Sep 2007 20:33 UTC

=> later

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Comment by @alecpl on 15 Jun 2008 11:54 UTC

-1 from me

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Comment by minusonebit on 4 Jul 2008 20:56 UTC

I too would like to see this implemented (I submitted #1484737 which is apparently a duplicate of this one). I already made my arguments there which I wont rehash here.

There seems to be alot of folks very much against the inclusion of any such options. Too bad Round Cube doesn't support something like plugins or addons as they do in FireFox or Thunderbird. Then this issue would be a moot point.

So, one vote in favor of this from me. Again.

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Comment by smultron on 26 Aug 2008 10:08 UTC

I vote for this too; I'd like to see this option. Perhaps it could be implemented with a warning:

Place reply and signature below quoted text (recommended)
or
Place reply and signature above quoted text (not-recommended)

At least then there'd be an option for those non-netiquette users, but still shows it's not 'proper'.

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Comment by PeterK2003 on 5 Dec 2008 16:54 UTC

do people actually put there reply at the bottom? I have never seen this and honestly think it is a little weird...i want to see the most recent message first and then if i need more info i'll scroll down to see it.

Just my opinion but i would like to see this option implemented.

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Comment by ldeviator on 5 Dec 2008 19:15 UTC

some people really are die hard "bottom posters".. I'm not one of them

but, for me, I top post the reply but have my signature at the bottom... here at my company everyone does that also so I was happy to see Roundcube agrees :)

but, I hacked in to RoundCube a little and added some room at the top of messages to facilitate this.

I think if something like this would be implemented, one should check out Composition and Addressing in Thunderbird. For quoting a message they have:

[checkbox] Automatically quote the original message when replying Then:
start my reply above the quote
OR
start my reply below the quote
OR
select the quote

and place my signature
blow the quote (recommended)
OR
below my reply (above the quote)

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Comment by ldeviator on 15 Dec 2008 17:56 UTC

link to changes in javascript for top signatures (signatures after new post, above original reply)

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Comment by minusonebit on 28 Dec 2008 02:09 UTC

People that don't know the difference between Usenet and e-mail do. This whole mindset of e-mail being a "conversation" is what led to the creation of g-mail, the world's worst e-mail service. heh, and if you notice, g-mail even puts the most recent message at the top of the thread - or it tries to, I should say. Usually it starts a new thread like an annoying board troll. E-mail is not a "conversation". Think of it like sending electronic postcards back and forth. You may save all your postcards, but do you read all the previous ones before the one that came in the mail today? Maybe if you have a few screws loose, but most people would read the most recent postcard, then refer to the older ones as, when and if needed.

Having to scroll through previous quoted messages (which can sometimes be pages and pages in length) to get the signature of a message is just goofy, but I realize some people just have to be different, so whatever, I find it very annoying. The idea that I should scroll past all that crap to find the message as well is just plain goofy. Unless that e-mail was from a boss or someone important (i.e. someone who has something I want - i.e. a paying customer), I'd likely delete it rather than read it. Time is too precious to waste it on people who waste it intentionally by being petty.

Replying to PeterK2003:

do people actually put there reply at the bottom? I have never seen this and honestly think it is a little weird...i want to see the most recent message first and then if i need more info i'll scroll down to see it.

Just my opinion but i would like to see this option implemented.

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Comment by jpingle on 28 Dec 2008 19:53 UTC

Replying to PeterK2003:

do people actually put there reply at the bottom? I have never seen this and honestly think it is a little weird...i want to see the most recent message first and then if i need more info i'll scroll down to see it.

Just my opinion but i would like to see this option implemented.

As I like to say...

A: Because it breaks the flow of a message

Q: Do you know why I hate top-posting?

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Comment by adurelli on 27 May 2009 00:57 UTC

I think a better solutio would be adding a "signatre button". Let`s say I want to send a joke to a friend. No need to put my signature on it. Now lets say I want to send a report to a co-worker. I simply click on a button and my signature is inserted on the current cursor position. This way you ca put (or not) your sganture anywhere.

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Owner changed by adurelli on 27 May 2009 00:57 UTC

=> none

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Milestone changed by adurelli on 27 May 2009 00:57 UTC

later => 0.3-stable

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Comment by @alecpl on 29 May 2009 08:43 UTC

Ticket #1485738 marked as duplicate of that issue.

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Comment by Luzifer on 18 Jun 2009 11:27 UTC

Vote for this too.

I would really like to see this option implemented at the earliest date. The signature belongs to the reply and not to the quoted text and therefore it should be added directly after the reply (which is in my case at the TOP of the whole conversation - Never saw anyone I have to work with adding the reply below the quote). (Just my 2 cents)

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Comment by leandropetreca on 14 Jul 2009 13:04 UTC

Vote for this!

In Brazil, everybody put the reply on the top! I think its common in some countries. A checkbox in the settings would resolve this problem

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Comment by mrngoitall on 21 Jul 2009 22:24 UTC

I'd also like to see this put into the next milestone; not everyone agrees with the philosophy of top-posting vs. bottom-posting; trying to enforce it on all Roundcube users only results in people searching for patches to make it accommodate their needs and makes the experience of installing Roundcube much more cumbersome. I agree with the idea of adding a checkbox to resolve this issue.

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Comment by fuscata on 1 Aug 2009 21:42 UTC

I vote for this too.

Some of my users top post, some bottom post. If RC forces either, I will be forced to find a new email client.

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Status changed by @vbenincasa on 11 Sep 2009 05:21 UTC

new => assigned

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Owner changed by @vbenincasa on 11 Sep 2009 05:21 UTC

=> netbit

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Comment by @alecpl on 11 Sep 2009 10:28 UTC

Implementing this we should also add an option to not remove sender signature on reply.

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Comment by JohnDoh on 10 Oct 2009 14:29 UTC

possible patch here http://lists.roundcube.net/mail-archive/dev/2009-10/0000053.html

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Comment by epinter on 15 Oct 2009 12:09 UTC

I made this patch to add an option in identity configuration. The user can enable/disable top-posting for each identity (the default is disabled, the normal behavior of rcmail). There are 2 files, the patch and txt with SQL query to add the field required (in identities table).

http://www.4shared.com/file/141048256/4607ba2c/roundcube_topposting_patch.html

This patch successfully apply with 2602 and 3043 trunk revisions.

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Milestone changed by epinter on 15 Oct 2009 12:09 UTC

0.3.1 => later

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Milestone changed by epinter on 15 Oct 2009 12:10 UTC

later => 0.3.1

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Comment by cityhunter on 25 Oct 2009 01:17 UTC

good and work in trunk-3056

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Comment by epinter on 29 Oct 2009 17:49 UTC

Another patch, this don't need any database change, it's a per-user configuration.

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Comment by epinter on 29 Oct 2009 17:58 UTC

Forgot to mention, the patch was made for 024130b ... Maybe needs some minor adjust to newer versions...

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Comment by @alecpl on 2 Nov 2009 08:31 UTC

Implemented in 50f56d2.

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Status changed by @alecpl on 2 Nov 2009 08:31 UTC

assigned => closed

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Comment by rogernem on 9 Feb 2010 17:37 UTC

Can you please help me with my app.js version?
(http://trac.roundcube.net/attachment/ticket/1484272/top_posting_per_user_r3078.patch)
Thanks

See attached file:
app.js (91.3 KB) - added by rogernem 14 seconds ago.
MVISION skin version

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Status changed by rogernem on 9 Feb 2010 17:37 UTC

closed => reopened

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Comment by @alecpl on 9 Feb 2010 18:07 UTC

This is not a support forum. Ask for help on mailing list.

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Status changed by @alecpl on 9 Feb 2010 18:07 UTC

reopened => closed

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Comment by rogernem on 9 Feb 2010 18:21 UTC

It seems at least. What are all these messages and comments above them?
Whats the link so someone can help me?

You should try this patch in this version. Does not work.
Thats why I posted the other file here.

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Comment by @till on 10 Feb 2010 00:19 UTC

Replying to rogernem:

It seems at least. What are all these messages and comments above them?
Whats the link so someone can help me?

You should try this patch in this version. Does not work.
Thats why I posted the other file here.

Hey Roger,

unless your problem is related to this bug, please don't comment on this ticket.

Instead I propose you either open a new issue which details your problem or you email the dev@ mailing list for assistance and describe how we may be able to help.

Generally, this issue has been fixed in trunk. If you have issues with a custom template, I think you may either need to update your template or contact the template author so they update.

HTH,
Till

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Comment by philipt75 on 21 May 2010 16:15 UTC

An option for placing sig above text is needed. Every email client has that option. Roundcube has a nice clean design, I like it over horde or squirrelmail, but falls short on this, I think it looks bad on an email with out a signature, you hit reply to a new email and you write your piece and there is no name, company, address etc, client has to scroll down to find, madness. Especially with ebay replies, all those ebay emails have TONS of text and to scroll through all that crap to get to our signature, crazy.

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Comment by jhaagmans on 21 Jun 2010 10:23 UTC

I'm happy to see the option has been added to Roundcube. However, Firefox still puts the signature at the bottom. The only difference is that it puts it right under the quote, instead of leaving two blank lines like when top posting is disabled. This has been tested on Windows (3.6.3) and on Linux (latest version). In IE it works fine, but I don't use IE.

Does anyone else see this behaviour and can it be changed? Top posting is something I've been waiting for for a very long time. Not having it was one of the downsides of using Roundcube.

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Status changed by jhaagmans on 21 Jun 2010 10:23 UTC

closed => reopened

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Comment by Napsty on 21 Jun 2010 10:27 UTC

Which version of Roundcube do you use? 0.4 Beta? There was a bug in it.
I use trunk-r3656/svn and there it was fixed.

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Comment by @alecpl on 21 Jun 2010 10:35 UTC

Also works for me. Use svn-trunk and check config options. Add more info if you'll need to reopen.

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Status changed by @alecpl on 21 Jun 2010 10:35 UTC

reopened => closed

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