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Support discussion of Internet of Things (IoT)-related applications of schema.org #1272
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@danbri let us know when the mailing list is up and running. I plan to contribute highly in this Domain. Thanks. |
Mailing list is up but give us a few days for "running". There's a short "getting started" doc in the works too that might help give things a little direction. |
Joining the larger W3C discussion seems like the best approach. I'd hate for the groups to be building train tracks from opposite coasts and then fail to meet in the middle. |
the Web of Things [1] group seems like an appropriate place to make On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 at 04:07 vholland notifications@github.com wrote:
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Regarding "surfacing discussions", amongst others I've had a very encouraging chat with W3C's Dave Raggett (@draggett) who leads the W3C work (community group + interest group + plans for a working group), and with Phil Archer (@philarcher1, also of W3C) regarding possible mechanisms for W3C REC-track work to normatively cite community-based schemas such as ours. I don't believe there is a 1:1 relationship between "schema.org meets IoT/WoT" and any other group; it is rather that various aspects of schemas and various aspects of IoT will intersect over time, hence the suggestion to use an "sdo-iot-sync" list. |
@shankarnat @chaals @nicolastorzec @scor @mfhepp et al, my suggestion for next steps is that we include a 1-page iot.schema.org in our next release, and its role will be to channel discussions towards mailing list + github. We shouldn't rush into any specific schemas but it would be great to pull together some otherwise scattered conversations about IoT schemas and semantic interoperability. |
@danbri, your proposal and next steps make sense to me. Looking forward to watching this progress. |
I have made some updates.
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ping @chaals @nicolastorzec |
@danbri Emailed our mailing list to start on a TODO list (along with a quick primer on middle-layers and players) |
This sounds like a great idea. guha On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Dan Brickley notifications@github.com
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Add #1286 as a TODO for this issue. It will be useful and is needed for IOT vendors and publishers and subscribers. |
I can't see a free-to-read copy of the article, sadly. But http://plasma.dimes.unical.it/events/I4T2016/PDF/PawlowskiIoTSemantics.pdf seems to be a related presentation. |
@3gpp standards already has 1-5 year view of IoT with use cases and MIoT Massive Internet of Things. (that's how we roll in the ICT industry) This is one of just many practical studies I don't want to overload Schema.org with 3GPP but want to let folks know that Communications side of IoT is covered within it. And I am here along with other Ericsson employees to help build bridges where/if need be. IoT is not about Things or Devices, but rather its about Communications and Data Exchange...where Things and Devices happen to play a Role. Luckily, our efforts here on Schema.org and IoT alignment are fairly easy compared to the humongous efforts needed within ICT and 3GPP to make it all work seamlessly without breaking a sweat for us here. |
SCADA is another similar forerunner to IoT dealing with Data and Interoperability. Currently there are some ISO standards around SCADA communications. We'll want at least 1 person from the SCADA community to help our plans. But I don't know of anyone myself. |
https://twitter.com/godanSec/status/802230005770096642 gives a good glimpse of the real scope of IoT - in this case as applied to agriculture. It is important that we don't take one central stereotype (the smart lightbulb) as proxying for the entire diverse set of IoT scenarios. |
See https://swit.smartsdk.eu/news/ for papers and presentations from a recent semweb-meets-iot workshop. |
Please take a look: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#TheSOSAontology http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#TheSSNontology
(this is part of the work being done in the W3C Spatial Data on the Web group...) |
Hi all, The work they have done so far on data models is based on GSMA harmonized data models work: http://www.gsma.com/connectedliving/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/CLP.26-v1.0.pdf The data models are used in different smart city scenarios. If @danbri or anyonelse is interested in liaising, let me know. |
@chicco785 Thanks for sharing this. Taking a quick (airport gate) scan of the GSMA harmonized data models work document from a Schema.org point of view I have an immediate suggestion that I believe would improve the linking to Schema.org. Following the Schema.org approach each entity type described in the Generic Entity Data Model section (eg. AgriParcel) could benefit from being a subtype of an appropriately named generic type (DataThing?), which contains all the properties (currently captured under the Generic Attributes section). That generic type itself being a subtype of Schema Thing. The resultant inheritance hierarchy looking like this:
As in all serialisations of data supported by Schema.org (Microdata, RDFa, JSON-LD) require the the the Type to be stated (eg. ~Richard. |
Interesting from David Janes @dpjanes: http://www.slideshare.net/dpjanes/alexa-toronto-open-data-civic-tech-toronto-presentation |
Hey, that's me lol.
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Interesting from David Janes @dpjanes <https://github.com/dpjanes>:
http://www.slideshare.net/dpjanes/alexa-toronto-open-
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If you just want to see the "schema.org normalized data", here you go
https://github.com/dpjanes/alexa-opendata/tree/master/dst
Nothing surprising here, but a fun project
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Noting onem2m work, http://www.onem2m.org/technical/developers-corner/tools/onem2m-ontologies |
Placeholder: discussed (c) statements in https://oneiota.org/revisions/2417 at Wishi workshop. |
I've created a quick Google Custom Search engine configured with a bunch of URLs of IoT/WoT sites, repos etc. at https://cse.google.com/cse/publicurl?cx=013484121852858951051:iccg_nifbxi --- I've shared access with Michael Koster (who I'm sat next to at a workshop) and others, we can easily add more sites. I don't see any easy way of sharing the current list of URLs but will figure something out. What does this mean? Basically you can go to:
... and search for 'cbor', 'thermostat', 'json schema', 'carbon monoxide' or whatever and find work across a range of initiatives, projects, ecosystems. The following (somewhat arbitrary) list of URLs are those in there currently:
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Nice! This should be useful!
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I've created a quick Google Custom Search engine configured with a bunch
of URLs of IoT/WoT sites, repos etc. at https://cse.google.com/cse/
publicurl?cx=013484121852858951051:iccg_nifbxi --- I've shared access
with Michael Koster (who I'm sat next to at a workshop
<https://github.com/t2trg/2017-07-wishi/blob/master/AGENDA.md>) and
others, we can easily add more sites. I don't see any easy way of sharing
the current list of URLs but will figure something out.
What does this mean?
Basically you can go to:
https://cse.google.com/cse/publicurl?cx=013484121852858951051:iccg_nifbxi
... and search for 'cbor', 'thermostat', 'json schema', 'carbon monoxide'
or whatever and find work across a range of initiatives, projects,
ecosystems.
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https://twitter.com/s3works/status/888682104938278912 https://arxiv.org/abs/1707.00112 """A study of existing Ontologies in the IoT-domain |
Hi Dan, you might want to add the following URLs to the search: https://github.com/IPSO-Alliance/* |
Hi all! I'm also working on Semantic IoT concepts. I've also started a Semantic Internet of Things platform on Github. Blogpost with the concept: https://bob.wtf/semantic-internet-of-things-42811e1ca7a7 Looking forward to your feedback :-) |
IoT ontology catalogues would be relevant to build IoT schema.org.
Ontology Catalogue comparison: |
The following paper "4W1H in IoT semantics" might be useful.. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8509571 |
This issue is being tagged as Stale due to inactivity. |
Recently privacy aspects wrt IoT have also been looked into.. some useful links could be: "GDPR-inspired IoT Ontology enabling Semantic Interoperability, Federation of Deployments and Privacy-Preserving Applications" (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.10314.pdf) Abstract
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Just found out about Google's Digital Buildings repo/work. Definitely significant overlap, pretty active. Here's a link to their website's "model" page. |
There have been a variety of conversations around schema.org-meets-IoT and they would benefit from having a home closer to the project as well as an integrated entry point (for which I suggest iot.schema.org).
Given 1.) that there is already a large (in fact the largest) W3C Community Group devoted to (the highly related idea of) "Web of Things" ) 2.) this is a topic that relates strongly to parties beyond the W3C environment e.g. IAB/IETF, I have taken the liberty of setting up a simple ad-hoc public mailing list, sdo-iot-sync@googlegroups.com, rather than our usual practice of initiating a new W3C Community Group. I suggest that we accompany this with a simple entry point at iot.schema.org and will proceed in that direction unless anyone flags a concern. More focussed and tightly-scoped collaborative activities might happen in dedicated (e.g. community) groups at W3C or elsewhere, but for now there is no simple place for discussion of "schema.org meets the Internet of Things". I'd like to fix that ASAP.
IoT-related applications are incredibly diverse and are highly inter-related with other application themes such as health-lifesci, e-commerce, geospatial, datasets, sensors etc. Many existing schema.org schemas are also highly relevant to IoT applications. To make the most of this potential, and to provide a place where IoT-oriented schema proposals, extensions and implementations can be discovered, let's create a simple one page gateway via a "stub" hosted extension, iot.schema.org. It remains to be seen whether actually hosting schemas there, rather than by adding to the core vocabulary or externally, is the right path. Quite likely we may do a little of each. For now I am concerned primarily with surfacing ad-hoc conversations in a way that allows more visibility and wider collaboration amongst those enthused about semantic interoperability for the Internet of Things.
Copying schema.org steering group for info / advice / sanity check: @rvguha @shankarnat @chaals @vholland @scor @mfhepp.
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