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Relationship between Courses and EducationalOccupationalPrograms #2483

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philbarker opened this issue Mar 11, 2020 · 7 comments
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Relationship between Courses and EducationalOccupationalPrograms #2483

philbarker opened this issue Mar 11, 2020 · 7 comments
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philbarker commented Mar 11, 2020

A EducationalOccupationalProgram is defined as something that "would define a discrete set of opportunities (e.g., job, courses) that together constitute a program"

Credential Engine would like to provide information on Programs that lead to qualifications/educational occupational credentials, including information about a Program's constuent Courses.

A simple approach would be to extend the domain of hasPart to EducationalOccupationalPrograms. Perhaps a more thorough approach would be distinguish between optionalCourses and requiredCourses, as in HE at least there is often a core set of courses that must be taken, and a variety of options to either offer a broader base or more specialized finish to a Program.

Any thoughts? @vholland ?

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vholland commented Mar 11, 2020

If hasPart satisfies Credential Engine's use case, I think we should go with that and tackle more complicated use cases as they arise.

Every conversation I have had about modeling required vs optional courses has become overly complicated as every university (let alone different university systems or countries) seems to have a different way to track this.

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WeaverStever commented Mar 12, 2020

Some example broad Types for programCredentials that might suit this purpose

  • Enrichment
  • Certificate
  • VendorCertificate
  • Licensure
  • AssociateDegree
  • AssociateDegreeForTransfer
  • BachelorDegree
  • MastersDegree
  • PhDDegree
  • ProfessionalDegree

Then the constituent courses could be added to each of the relevant Types under an external ontology such as the CIP or other.
https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cipcode/Default.aspx?y=56

The list of constituent courses could be further be broken down by type of Elective and Required.

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siuc-nate commented Mar 24, 2020

After a brief discussion with @philbarker on this today, it seems like a "hasCourse" property would be more appropriate, as:

  • It would avoid any complications with hasPart (either now or down the road)
  • It keeps the scope and usage of the property tight
  • It harmonizes with the existing "hasCourseInstance" property (e.g. EducationalOccupationalProgram.hasCourse > Course.hasCourseInstance > CourseInstance)

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philbarker commented May 4, 2020

PR #2559 adds hasCourse property with caveats about not implying it is mandatory, or even that it is availble to all
hasCourse: A course or class that is one of the learning opportunities that constitute an educational/occupational program. No information is implied about whether the course is mandatory or optional; no guarantee is implied about whether the course will be available to everyone on the program.
@WeaverStever not sure how your suggestions relate to what we intend; I think they are covered by educationalCredentialAwarded with various values of credentialCategory on EOCred referred to. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

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philbarker commented Jul 23, 2020

@danbri I'm happy to redraft PR #2559 in turtle if there was no other reason for not accepting it than attention being elsewhere.

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philbarker commented Aug 5, 2020

@danbri I think the bot closed this prematurely as there was a solution submitted but not committed. PR #2679 is the same solution now in ttl.

danbri pushed a commit that referenced this issue Aug 12, 2020
* adding hasCourse for parts of an Ed/Occ Program, issue #2483

* get naming of file to match issue

* rewrite as ttl
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