The rationale behind the changes in each release is given in this file, along with comments from players to back it up.
Exactly the same as BI-3.5 but for release-20230225.
Includes bug fix for IC footprint (thanks milkman!)
Exactly the same as BI-3.5 but for release-20230225.
The new release includes a change to the way speeds of ground units are measured, and so there is now an override for the Ranger to make it match BI-3.5 (speed 164, up from 160 in the release).
Play notification for spectators when any player uses the GPS support power.
Previously there was a bug that caused the game to crash if the Tech Center was killed or sold while the GPS was active.
Feedback:
- Gacius - 2022-04-17: overall BL 3.3 is good aproach
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: 3.3 changes are all fine I think.
- BeTe - 2022-04-17: 3.3. definitely. It's something community is discussing for a long time... It's actually not big difference and should make game more interesting, more "active".
Differences since BI 3.2:
Importing the fix from Orb which includes being able to aim the first blast from flame towers.
Feedback:
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: Defenses getting the targeting buff is good
- i like men - 2022-02-07: I believe we should also give pill box another nerf, most likely just reducing fire rate
Feedback:
- tux - 2022-04-01: hate the def nerf in bi 3.3 :(
- BeTe - 2022-04-01: I don't even notice difference.
- Kaution - 2022-04-17: Defenses needed a nerf so I'm for the slight nerf on it.
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: a slight nerf overall is fine I think since people want less powerful defenses
- Unano - 2022-04-17: vanilla. static defences in theory pays in other ways - for example being static. but tbh the nerf has felt fine so meh
Feedback:
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: My initial thoughts on defense nerfs felt that ft got nerfed more than pillboxes. But I don't see how that's possible. So I assume it was just bias
- Widow - 2022-04-17: i deffinitly think that is possible. often the second volley is what kills, if that one comes later, then perhaps medics kick in, or the army that got hit first move further away, thats why we need testing
Taken from PBA.
Feedback:
- Gacius - 2022-04-17: it was said before that prone time from 4 to 2 seconds feels good
- Kaution - 2022-04-17: Prone time, feels better and more rewarding to retreat
- Pun - 2022-04-17: Prone time reduction has seen pretty much universal praise. It's just a good change
After the initial 3 minutes charge then it can be used for 1 minute and then takes 3 minutes to recharge (i.e. the same as BI 3.2). The global timer for charging has been replaced by a global timer showing when the GPS is in use. This change allows Allied players to build a tech center in secret, although use of the GPS will still be global.
Most of the work for this, including creating the audio files, was done by Pinkthoth.
Feedback:
- Kaution - 2022-04-17: Satellite changes is refreshing and the adjust timers feels more right.
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: The GPS single click is an improvement. I have no feedback on the time change.
- Unano - 2022-05-14: I like it from what I've seen, but I don't play allies much
- Gacius - 2022-05-14: it's actually good. not OP for being free maphack. and yet low cooldown makes it fresh. also activating it isnt that complicated, two clicks and done, gps for 30 seconds
- Blackened - 2022-05-14: Ava isn't as sluggish as it used to be. But still very very slow
- Widow - 2022-05-14: I think it works as intended which is great, it really makes late game more interesting and way less stale IMO, and because of its faster initial charge time it gives tier 3 an effect way faster which is cool. i also feels like alot of the people who where initially skeptic has turned after playing with it regularly. The other thing is also since B 3.3 the gps timer is hidden from opponent since it makes less sense now, that gps isnt this OP thing you absolutly must kill before the timer is done. that also makes tech rushing as alies way more viable. since you dont have this gps timer poping up telling Tier 1.5 spam opponent to come kill you asap
Against:
- .won - 2022-05-22: I’m not a huge fan of it. Yah it’s good for a v a but not good for a v s
Shock Troopers further reduced to $300 (from $400 release/$350 v20211230), reload delay 60 (from 70), damage vs heavy 50 (from 60)
Trying to rework the faction specials and reduce spamming of static defences.
Maps and balance history: https://github.com/erratic-c-programmer/PBA
Feedback:
- Duke Bones - 2021-12-29: The only problem I have with the Power is it kinda screws WF first up. Any lp is crippling
- Kaution - 2021-12-29: Makes a bo less viable imo which makes it less diverse and shouldn't be the case imho
- Gacius - 2021-12-29: I love [the changes]. Now every faction has identity, unit variety has been increased for all factions and Allies in late game feels awesome with MGG's, MRJ, Tanya and rest of the arsenal. Shockies and Flamers now will be seen even moree often and will be part of every soviet army
- .won - 2021-12-29: wf first is dead if we do these changes and removing camo Pills removes anyways to deal with arty, and your buffing t2
Camo Pillbox to England only (England can't build normal Pillbox), $700 (from $750), -30 power (from -20 power), reload speed 45 (from 30)
Flame Tower $700 (from $600), -30 power (from -20 power), reload delay 75 (from 65), burst delay 25 (from 20)
Parabombs to France only, requires Radar Dome (rather than Airfield), 4 minute charge time (from 5 minute)
- ZxGanon - 2022-01-01 we made france bombs take only 4 minutes to charge and its on dome tech. feels much better
Flamethrower to Ukraine only, requires Radar Dome (rather than Flame Tower), $250 (from $300), health 5000 (from 4000), vision 5 cells (from 4 cells), projectile speed 250 (from 170)
Feedback:
- .won - 2021-12-29: I think shockies should go back to t3 with a buff. they are kinda a trap unit in t2
- Unano - 2021-12-29: yea in general shockies suck. i guess there's prob a good way to use them, but its really hard
- Pun - 2021-12-29: RA already has a ton of trap units, i don't thing it's a problem
- Kaution - 2021-12-29: i watched ganons stream. shockies were just shooting HT, tickling it
- ZxGanon - 2021-12-29: I liked building up shockies in my army. they didnt feel broken and I also dont wanna see ppl succeeding with shockie only spam. just adding a few in the mix can be really nice and devastating
- ZxGanon - 2021-12-31: shockies might be too expensive or their heavy damage is too low. its either of those right now they just take up the slot of rocket soldiers
GPS global timer removed, global notification when launched, charge time 3 minutes (previously 4 minutes in BI 3.1), reveals for 30 seconds (previously 1 minute in BI 3.1)
- ZxGanon - 2021-01-29: the gps rework was overdue anyway since the current version is just boken. the 3 min 30 sec change is btw a specific decision. 1 minute was way too long and basically foces opposiing players to sit a around and do nothing while its active. while also 4 minute charge up time felt too long
Feedback:
- Unano - 2021-12-31: That gps is so cool
Feedback:
- Duke Bones - 2022-01-04: Besides the other changes, the prone change I love. You can actually retreat from engagements without losing 1/3 of your Infabtry
Based on BI 3.2, but without changes to Migs or GPS.
Phase Transport uncloaks on load as well as unload.
- TTTPPP - 2021-09-16: It would be another (small) nerf to the PT, but would hopefully make then less annoying
- SarahSicaria - 2021-09-16: I think its ok
- upps - 2021-09-16: I think thats fair, reduce the cloak time by a bit and im up for that.
- i like men - 2021-09-16: I'm okay with either. I do not think it will have an impact in 1vs1 but can see it being a good change for teamgames
- Spies disguised as Tanya now have the skull icon.
Remove mechanic and most of the husk changes (husks are still restored to 15% though). There were various views on this, but the main issue was that it allowed stealing an allied husk to gain double tech in team games.
- .won - 2021-08-16: Is there a way to stop the time out of a husk on cap starting? I tried to cap a husk and the timer just went to 0 so I couldn't
- SarahSicaria - 2021-08-24: 16 seconds would make it near impossible to capture any husk. thats way too long. even 8 seconds is a lot
- DVoid - 2021-10-01: but surely dealing with mechanics means destroying enemy mcv husks etc to prevent the enemy using a mechanic to bring it back. simple.
This avoid flame towers missing with their first shot.
Allies on T3 were previously incentivised to turtle for 8 minutes and then they got an almost game-breakingingly good support power. This aims to reduce the benefit of turtling, while still providing the option to deploy GPS to prepare for an attack.
Created by Pinkthoth.
- dang_shot - 2021-11-02: i think the gps tested in BI was good and a good compromise, but i understand punshos logic
- ZxGanon - 2021-11-02: I vote for the new and improved gps satelite. pretty good. makes allies interesting to play
- Bain - 2021-11-02: Yeah I like the idea of limiting the time for gps, but I still feel soviet late game is stronger then allies just due to the IC
- i like men - 2021-11-16: overall I think [8 min permanent GPS] has a at least in my opinion poor impact on the game as it makes it stall out when the gps gets up and essentially functions as a permanent maphack. I think I dislike the effect it has on the gameplay, so I like the idea of a more dynamic one. I also think it's we will get to see more gps usage with this change because it's pretty rare we get to see a gps survive long enough now
- moods - 2021-11-16 And ill chime in on gps.. the feature is kool too not have permenant... but the timer relly shud be low. Like every 2 mins it reveals for 30 secs or sumthing. Not this 4 minute shit. Cuz thats a huge nerf compared too 8 perma. And since chrono not working properly and IC is still super OP allies need that perma gps too have some leverage lategame
Against:
- DVoid - 2021-10-01: i dont think the gps should be changed either. the enemy can try to destroy the tech centre if they dont like being watched. i use soviets so my opinion on this is unbiased and not for my benefit in fact the opposite.
- Pun - 2021-11-02: I don't think it's a great solution tbh, I'd rather just remove gps from the game
By increasing the price we were pushing MTs closer to HTs. Reverting the small change to try to keep them distinct.
Add skull icon to make it slightly easier to snipe Tanya.
Created by Darkademic
- upps - 2021-01-12: Tanya is fine in general... A detection help like a hero symbol for everyone ingame in vision range would be helpful too.
- Blackened - 2021-09-07: idk if its been talked about but a commando icon would go a long way with nerfing tanya without actually nerfing her.
- Longely - 2021-09-07: yeah that is a great idea
- dang_shot - 2021-09-09: tanya is still strong i think. i have several games with nerfed tanya winning game for me
- Unano - 2021-09-22: Skull idea sounds interesting but i dont think it goes far enough personally. The problem isnt spotting tanya, its the fact that a t1.5 - early t2 blob cant get near her to even try to kill her before she kills so much. And the fact she can be churned out so easily to go again
Against:
- happy - 2021-09-09: thats one of the two parts that made tanya good, does this blob have tanya in? and can i get a snipe off before she kills me. which was easily achieved before adding an icon to her. but now as soon as you have vision yes tanyas there run ez
- Kaution - 2021-11-16: I dislike the skull.icon. She gets sniped so easy back yaks or bh now
Add second exit for slight improvement to left/right balance.
Iron Curtain - Fix hit box and selection box.
Initial release.
- Mechanics now take 16 seconds to capture husks and cost 400 (down from 500),
- Husks are restored with 15% health (down from 25%)
Mechanics were being built after husks appeared and were hardly ever used for repairing damaged tanks on the battlefield. The low risk for restoring husks could cause Allies to snowball. Conversely they were a risky unit to keep in a blob. More data supporting this change is given based on RAGL Season 10 data: https://forum.openra.net/viewtopic.php?p=313241#p313241
Slight nerf as MTs were performing slightly better than HTs.
Feedback:
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: I also don't know if the demo change is actually a good change but :person_shrugging:. Either way. I'm just not a huge fan of the hp decrease. Speed change was fine.
- Therapist - 2022-08-23: yes reduce the redius of demos. They can trade by blowing up 3 times it's initial blast radius away from itself. and kill off infantry. It's kind of ludicrous to be honest
Sniping Tanya had a very small impact because she could be rebuilt very quickly.
Feedback:
- happy - 2021-09-07 from what ive played so far she already seems nerfed enough
- .won - 2021-09-07 although i do agree with happy i think tanya is in a pretty good spot. especially in the BI
The aim is to make it easier to sweep a minefield.
The MGG generally acted as a reverse GPS - allowing the opponent to track a blob through the fog of war.
They now come from a single badger (down from 3), with health 40000 (up from 30000) and 10 bombs (up from 5) Each bomb has range 6c0 (up from 3c0), fall speed 50 (up from 40), spread 1000 (up from 768), damage vs none 40 (up from 30) and vs wood 60 (up from 30)
- Pun - 2021-09-13 as for parabombs, I just though it would be better if there was a clear way to dodge them, this change also nerfs map edge performance. The slow bombs weren't cutting it
Feedback:
- Pun - 2021-11-03: we've seen really good parabombs in goat vs kav
- ZxGanon - 2021-11-03: parabombs in kav vs goat looked fine
- dang_shot - 2021-11-03: i like the change a lot
- Duke Bones - 2021-11-03: I don’t mind the new parabo[mb]s but a wider area would be nice even if it’s not as wide as before. Most people don’t line their buildings up in such a neat row and the wider spread could hit more. I’d be fine if it were the same damage but spread out a little wider
- Pinkthoth - 2021-04-17: Parabombs is a free dmg support power that no other faction has, I think the 1 badger change is great.
Against:
- Unano - 2021-11-03: my opinion of the update is its far too easy to dodge
- Blackened - 2022-04-17: It's the parabombs from previous iterations I don't like. They got overnerfed
Against:
- Moods - 2021-09-24: Migs already take more babysitting then any unit. Your nerfing health which means you gotta be even more perfect with a unit that already requires perfection for 2000 a pop lol.. its jus gunna result in even less ppl making them... its already an exlusive unit only a few ppl use
Small buff to the dog attack, although it's expected they'll still mainly be used for vision.
Often missiles explode before reaching their target. By increasing the max range then players will have to be more careful not to fly near to SAM sites.
- memers.club - 2021-07-21: The SAM site is crap compared to all other options IMO
- .won - 2021-07-21: I also think currently the SAM is a bit shit, defs the worst of all AA options
- poop - 2021-07-21: i always thought sam sites fukin sucked
Against:
- Pun - 2021-07-21: SAM currently is ridiculously good, it just can't handle MiGs. Like the only reason you dont build them is because flaks are mobile and sams are not
Previously it was possible to hide a SAM site or missile silo behind the IC. The new footprint prevents this and also matches the Chronosphere.
For:
- goat - 2021-09-22: just here to say that i think the ic change is really good
- i like men - 2021-09-22: I thought the IC nerf was the best change actually hehe. Was not aware some were opposed to it
Against:
- SarahSicaria - 2021-09-21: Not sure why this is being nerfed, the IC is in a perfect spot imo. If the IC really must be nerfed, increasing the recharge time would be better, not decreasing the effect duration
- Major Kusanagi Motoko - 2021-09-21 +1. this suggestion makes more sense. The effect duration is already moderately short, while the cooldown of 2 mins is rather quick.
- Orb - 2021-10-11 The footprints are really important for nostalgia reasons. Like we had a pretty long discussion about changing the adv powerplant footprint in TD. I think you need a strong reason to change the footprint and the stated reasons I don't think justify it enough. I've never had an issue with people "hiding" things behind the IC
- Therapist - 2022-08-25: I think sarah is right about the ic. Lasts 500 ticks, slightly longer recharge time.
Modified production queue timings (except vehicles): 100, 86, 75, 67, 60, 55, 50 (rather than 100, 85, 75, 65, 60, 55, 50)
Included from RATL/S10 balance.
Included from RATL/S10 balance.
Included from RATL/S10 balance.
This is to fix a bug introduced in the release.
Some of the changes from BAIN 2.0 were included in the release. See https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/pull/18236/files
Slightly smaller buff than BAIN 2.0.
This was the same as RATL balance, but without the changes to barracks, WF and production queues.
This was BAIN 2.0 but with some changes.
All production queue timings to 100, 83, 71, 63, 56, 50 (rather than 100, 85, 75, 65, 60, 55, 50 and 100, 75, 60, 50 for WF)
Feedback: https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/files/4740507/BAIN_FEEDBACK.pdf
This means the MRJ doesn't rush to the front of a blob.