Funding common pool resources

[chadwhitacre]

Follow-up to #9. Share thoughts on Governing the Commons, social pressure, taxation in the limit. Discuss whether we need new institution(s) and what those might look like.

Interest here.

[chadwhitacre]

Adjacent suggestion:

i'm not suggesting that. i'm thinking out loud that the open source community that already builds the roads that moves their software also build the mechanisms that create a 'tax'

https://twitter.com/motdotla/status/1749597995107221539

[chadwhitacre]

Let's talk about taxes as a proven way to avoid coordination issues for all other public goods.

We can use existing public money up to a certain level (STF case). However, I believe that we need to introduce dedicated #OpenSourceTax afterward 👇

https://twitter.com/coni2k/status/1750147191929250127

[coni2k]

Excellent, subscribed to the thread! 👍

Let me share a SustainOSS Discourse post that has a few more details, including how an invoice should look with an #OpenSourceTax:
https://discourse.sustainoss.org/t/sustain-together-october-summary/1125/6?u=coni2k

[chadwhitacre]

@coni2k Thanks for jumping in and for sharing the link! :-)

[chadwhitacre]

Under #19 (comment), I learned about a paper that seems relevant to this thread: "The sustainability of open source commons."

[chadwhitacre]

Maybe bring up tea.xyz?

E.g. https://twitter.com/bidah/status/1750637228856889537

(I had a call with the Tea guys.)

[chadwhitacre]

TIL from @JoshuaKGoldberg:

You might be interested in an idea I had over the last couple of years (and haven't had time to pursue): grading companies on their contributions. Have we talked about this?

https://opencontributions.dev/about was a project @blackgirlbytes and I worked on a little bit.

That page has a summary of where we left it: the quantifying would be done as a 2x2 grid of:

• Contribution type: employee time / financial
• Contribution area: community / the company's

Most companies won't do anything unless they're pressured to, and I think having a restaurant-health-code-style agreed-upon grade has a lot of potential for becoming that pressure... if the community can agree on it and take actions to enforce that pressure.

[chadwhitacre]

From @gordonbrander at #20 (comment):

From a narrative perspective, I suspect "sustainability/fair share" frame might encourage zero-sum thinking. "Our slice of the pie". From my perspective, the pie isn't fixed. Rather, we're looking at a broken feedback loop and a resulting ecological desert.

Open source lowers the floor for startups to get to product-market fit, generating money
However, very little of that money makes it back to the funding of open source
Closing the loop means more open source funding means more open source developers surviving means more open source means lower floor means more startups means more funding...
There's probably some upper limit to this positive ecological feedback, defined by the rate at which a market can absorb new products, but I doubt we've reached that yet. Rather, we seem to be limited at the level of fundamental research / new low-cost enablers due to lack of non-speculative funding. Low-cost enablers are what open source is all about. Let's terraform the ecological desert :)

[chadwhitacre]

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2018/09/10/tragedy-of-the-commons-clause/
getsentry/fsl.software#2 (comment)
https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1757494720924639636 etc.
https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1757455253429956782

[mswilson]

Recommend reading https://www.brookings.edu/articles/strengthening-digital-infrastructure-a-policy-agenda-for-free-and-open-source-software/ that outlines a policy agenda to help support FOSS and generally increase the provision of digital public goods. It covers things like taxes and incentives.

[chadwhitacre]

"Paying people to work on open source is good actually" (HN)

[ShaneCurcuru]

Oh hey GH Issues to discuss blog ideas, nice.

Came here to say: some of the issues with "pay the maintainer" and related needs is tax policy and banking laws, along with education thereof - that's a lower level need in a way than the "explain to $BigCos how paying maintainers is a good business decision".

How do we better explain the difficulties individual workers have in actually getting funds? I knew to setup an LLC in my home state before doing consulting; many people don't realize this. It was a number of paperwork, small fees, and learning and tooling hoops to use a business bank account, get quickbooks, know how to write an invoice, etc.

This feels like there should be a whole bunch of different policy and education changes that would enable more individuals to participate as individuals in capitalism for their work, but it's so many different touchpoints it's hard to discuss. Going from a (in the US) W-2 worker to getting a bunch of 1099s is a lot of work and extra knowledge beyond building great software. How do we really signpost and make the journey easier, along with efficiently advocating for policy and educational change?

[chadwhitacre]

Bringing this over from @mswilson at getsentry/fsl.software#2 (comment):

A "Commons" is a specific thing in the literature. It's something where multiple people benefit from resources that are accessible to all.

In the realm of software development (and other cooperative efforts), there is a studied phenomenon called "commons-based peer production." The goods that are produced at the center of commons-based peer production are available for the benefit of many stakeholders.

One problem with attaching a "Common Source Software" label onto goods that are made available under FSL is that the commercial benefits accrue to the sole producer of that good. Those goods aren't even club goods. They don't enrich the public commons of software until 2 years after release.

It's Freeware with accompanying source code, until the time when it is available under a FOSS license.

I worry that if you proceed down the "Commons" path, you will provoke some ire from the open source community anyway, similar to responses to the "Commons Clause"

[chadwhitacre]

Oh hey GH Issues to discuss blog ideas, nice.

😁 🙇

How do we really signpost and make the journey easier, along with efficiently advocating for policy and educational change?

For my part I think we need a new institution that takes most of the bureaucratic burden off of individual developers. I think the answer lies through platforms but I don't think the existing platforms are sufficient.