What is the action associated with issuing/creating a Verifiable Presentation?

[msporny]

To create a Verifiable Credential you "Issue a Verifiable Credential".

To create a Verifiable Presentation you "??? a Verifiable Presentation".

What is the verb that the WG would like to use for the creation of the presentation (that is, the Holder bundling one or more VCs into a presentation and then generating a proof on that presentation).

This came out of the discussion from here: https://github.com/w3c-ccg/vc-api/issues/292#issuecomment-1169229371

Potential options include: create, issue, sign, prepare, present, assemble, and prove.

[brentzundel]

I say "present" and wince when the sentence ends with the word "presentation"

[andrewhughes3000]

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[andrewwhitehead]

I've also seen "derive"

[brentzundel]

we could appropriate the word "bikeshed" as a verb for this.
as in, "The holder bikeshedded the presentation to the holder"

[vongohren]

Cant you just use "create", since it is a self evolving thing and not talking about other parties like issuance.

[TallTed]

-1 on the hopefully joking suggestion of "bikeshed" (which I think is not actually applicable here, given that it's shorthand for the law of triviality, i.e., "giving disproportionate weight to trivial issues", unless it's a commentary on this thread, in which case I disagree with that characterization; IMNSHO, care must be taken to choose terminology which does not carry unintended meaning, especially where that unintended meaning may be contradictory to the intended meaning/use of that term).

Maybe "produce" would be acceptable to all?

[David-Chadwick]

generate is another possibility

[TallTed]

-1 for Generate VP. Because VP is composed of existing Claims (cough) from VCs. Generate seems more appropriate verb for Issuer.

[David-Chadwick]

@TallTed Very strange that you should suggest produce and be against generate since the dictionary.com definition of generate is to bring into existence; cause to be; produce :-)

[TallTed]

Yeah, I'm against myself. Neither generate nor produce for Presentation, because they both imply origination to me, rather than assembling or repackaging from existing component parts and wrapping in a new signature...

I think the Holder needs two verbs here -- one for the Assembly (and optional Signing) and another for the Submission. I think I like these verbs.

[logpo]

I've also seen "derive"

This has always made the most sense to me

[iherman]

The issue was discussed in a meeting on 2022-08-31

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4.3. What is the action associated with issuing/creating a Verifiable Presentation? (issue vc-data-model#887)

See github issue vc-data-model#887.

Brent Zundel: what is the action taken to produce a verifiable presentation.

Manu Sporny: there are options....

Dave Longley: how about: you create a presentation and then you present it :).

Manu Sporny: we could use the word "create", "issue", "prepare", "present", "assemble", "prove".
… I don't like issuing a presentation, or signing....

Brent Zundel: -1 to issuing a presentation.

Dave Longley: -1 to issuing a presentation.

Manu Sporny: preparing / assembling ....
… maybe.

Juan Caballero: collate.

Orie Steele: I don't like "prepare", because that's the step before protecting..

Juan Caballero: "consenting a verifiable presentation".

Orie Steele: I think what we're trying to define here is the verb to define the act of "protecting", not "getting ready to protect"..
… For some presentation formats, I like the word "prove", if you're talking about something like a Zero Knowledge Proof... so kinda like proving. also don't like presenting... agree with -1 on issuing, also -1 to signing.
… That's all I can say at present. :).

Oliver Terbu: i agree, but maybe also generating....

Manu Sporny: yeah, I think I'm -0.5 to "proving".

Oliver Terbu: I disagree with proving... because a presentation does not require a proof..
… proof is not implied when presenting..

Manu Sporny: I do like "generate".

Orie Steele: +1 oliver.

Dave Longley: -1 to proving ... it's a great word for when it happens, but it doesn't always happen :).

Ted: compose and then optionally sign, deliver, present, submit.

Juan Caballero: I like generate because the product is unique.

Manu Sporny: generate?.

Dave Longley: create, generate, and compose seem ok to me.

Orie Steele: I would want to be able to tell if the thing produced by the verb is secured or not, I don't think we should use the same word for both of them..
… I think the definition of a verifiable presentation is broken, it's not clear if it's secured or not, I could live with "prepare" or "assemble" for unsecured version, but I don't want to use the same term for the unsecured vs. secured version..

Brent Zundel: thats 5 minutes of bikeshedding.