[Units] New Units from UMC/Mainline Campaigns to Core Discussions

[knyghtmare]

Opening this here since I have noticed several new units being added to core from mainline and UMC campaigns (like there's no tomorrow).
Why? To discuss what other possible candidates can be.

Starting off:

1. Monster Crab (UtBS)
2. Flesh Golem (UtBS)
3. Dawarf (UtBS) (Note: actually maybe no...this is a secret unit and should say a secret)
4. Cave Wyrmlet (SoF)
5. Cave Wyrm (SoF)
6. Red Wyrm (SoF)
7. Red Wyrmlet (SoF)
8. Symphalian (WoF) - that blade feather bird thing
9. Dolphin (WoF) (looks too low-effort)
10. Eyestalk (TSG)
11. Tauroch (UtBS)
12. Dustbok (UtBS)
13. Young Gryphon / Gryphlet (TSoG)
14. Elder Gryphon (AWoF)
15. Cockatrice (HttT formerly, now IftU)
16. Bone Bird (SotA) with Stats from Ultimate Recruits add-on
17. Giant Worm (TSoG)
18. Cerberous Worm (TSoG)
19. Giant Centipedes (orange) (RftA)
20. Giant Centipede (that electric one) (RftA)
21. Giant Centipede (the red one) (RftA)
22. quintain (battle Training) (Bitterly rejected)
23. Bunny Rabbit
24. Owl and Great Owl (Archaic Resources)

Might be more, but we leave that to the rest of the community to present here.

[Elvish-Hunter]

I remember that someone suggested renaming the Young Gryphon to Gryphlet, so there's this aspect to consider.
We might also add back the Cockatrice: it was in core until the 1.2 series, then it was removed along with two scenarios from HttT. It already had new sprites (made by Jetrel, IIRC), so it only lacks a portrait. It might also need a rework of the petrification ability.

[knyghtmare]

I remember that someone suggested renaming the Young Gryphon to Gryphlet, so there's this aspect to consider.
We might also add back the Cockatrice: it was in core until the 1.2 series, then it was removed along with two scenarios from HttT. It already had new sprites (made by Jetrel, IIRC), so it only lacks a portrait. It might also need a rework of the petrification ability.

Added as number 8 and also edited number 6 with the name/ID change option

[CelticMinstrel]

Yes, I think having a core unit that actually uses petrification would be good.

I have no real objections to any of the named ones. Eyestalk is the only slightly questionable one of the bunch, but whatever.

Tauroch and Dustbok could be moved separately, or along with the entire Quenoth.

I will note that, generally speaking, I think units representing specific characters should not be moved to core. There are none listed in the opening post though.

[Hejnewar]

along with the entire Quenoth
I will quickly mention that Im currently preparting to get Quenoth rework up soon (might take a while depending on my work shedule)

Also I will propose Bone Bird (SotA) with UR stats.

Oh btw, when something is ported and it already is in UR just taking stats form UR should be fine to have the unit balanced.

[CelticMinstrel]

Bone bird is a L1 chocobone, I guess? I agree that would be good to move to core.

(What is UR?)

[knyghtmare]

I was looking for the Bone Bird but could not find it...and then I see this

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Also I will propose Bone Bird (SotA) with UR stats.

Okay, seems like a good fit

There seems to be no animations for it...

[CelticMinstrel]

How does the Ultimate Recruits bone bird differ from the SotA one? Just numbers?

[CelticMinstrel]

I guess WoF has a dolphin and the stymphalian. Not sure about the sprites though.

The Wyrm is also used in WoF so that might be a good reason to move it to core.

[knyghtmare]

https://units.wesnoth.org/1.16/Ultimate_Recruits/en_US/Bone%20Bird%20UR.html

The SotA makes it only a "dummy unit" with no attacks and the UR one adds stats

[knyghtmare]

I guess WoF has a dolphin and the stymphalian. Not sure about the sprites though.
The Wyrm is also used in WoF so that might be a good reason to move it to core.

SoF also has a red "ranged" variant which is a IPF version of the green one. That is also something to consider.

[Elvish-Hunter]

How about worms? I have a Giant Worm and Cerberus Worm sprite (made by battlestar) in TSoG; once again, they lack a portrait and might need balancing.

[knyghtmare]

How about worms? I have a Giant Worm and Cerberus Worm sprite (made by battlestar) in TSoG; once again, they lack a portrait and might need balancing.

remembers that scenario of worm zerg swarm attack in RftA