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<date>1918-05-23</date>
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<day.start>1918-05-23</day.start>
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<inline font-style="italic">Small Arms- Factory5019</inline>
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<para>House of Representatives. </para>
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<inline font-style="italic">Thursday23, May</inline>
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<para>
<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Speaker</inline>(the Hon-. Elliot Johnson) took the chair at 2.30 p.m., and read prayers. </para>
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<title>WHEAT POOL TRANSACTIONS</title>
<page.no>5019</page.no>
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<electorate>WAKEFIELD, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<para>- Will the Honorary Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Greene)</inline> be good enough to consult the Minister who controls the Wheat Pool as to the possibility of obtaining for publication acomplete summary of all the transactions of the Pool in the wheat-growing States similar to the account of. the doings of the South Australian Pool, which appears in this morning&#39;s newspapers ? </para>
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<page.no>5019</page.no>
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<electorate>RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">MASSY-GREENE, Walter</name>
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<para>- I shall endeavour to get the information asked for. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
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<title>SMALL ARMS FACTORY</title>
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<para>Payments to Employees</para>
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<para>- Will the Department of Defence pay to the employees- of the Small Arms Factory the money due and promised to them, in the shape of a war bonus, and will the men. who came to Melbourne on a deputation be refunded their expenses&#39;, which were promised to them some two months ago ? </para>
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<page.no>5019</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1P</name.id>
<electorate>GIPPSLAND, VICTORIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">WISE, George</name>
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<para>- I shall submit the matter to the Minister for Defence. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5019</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<title>SHIPBUILDING CONTRACTS</title>
<page.no>5019</page.no>
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<page.no>5019</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KTT</name.id>
<electorate>PARKES, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">SMITH, Arthur</name>
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<para>- Will the- Acting Prime Minister lay on the table a paper stating, or make a. statement concerning, the contracts which have actually been entered into for the building of ships in Australia? </para>
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<talk.start>
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<page.no>5019</page.no>
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<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate>BALACLAVA, VICTORIA</electorate>
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<para>- My colleague who has charge of shipbuilding&#39; has now in course of preparation a full statement, which, I think, will be sufficiently advanced&#39; tomorrow to be given to the House then. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
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<title>CENSORSHIP</title>
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<page.no>5019</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KWL</name.id>
<electorate>YARRA, VICTORIA</electorate>
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<para>- Another War Precautions Regulation - Statutory Rule No. 132 - has just been issued. It deals with the censorship, and reads as follows : - </para>
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<para>Regulation 28a is. amended as follows : - </para>
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<para>By inserting the words &#34; Regulation 27a or &#34; before the words &#34; Regulation 28 &#34; in the last line, of sub-regulation (1). </para>
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<para>By inserting after sub-regulation (1) the following new sub- regulation : - &#34; (1a,) An order under this regulation addressed to- the editor, the printer, and publisher of <inline font-style="italic">a</inline> newspaper or- periodical shallbe deemed to have been served on the editor, the printer, and the publisher of the newspaper or periodical if served on any. one of them..&#34; </para>
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<para class="block">Is this one of the ways in which the Government is loosening the censorship? Is not the censorship being tightened by this alteration ? The Prime Minister stated at the Governor-General&#39;s Conference that the arrangements decided on at the Press Conference concerning the censorship would begiven effect, and that if they did not go far enough he would meet us in other ways. Is this regulation an honouring of the compact? It is dated the 15th May, and the GovernorGeneral&#39;s Conference finished about the 19th April. </para>
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<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
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<para>- The regulation seems not. to affect the matter which the honorable member has in mind, namely, what censorship regulations under the War Precautions Actshould stand. This regulation is merely an alteration of practice in regard to proofofservice. It merely says that instead of it being necessary to serve a notice on three persons connected with a printing office, service on any one of them will be effective. </para>
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<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<para>- Will the honorable gentleman see that the regulation is loosened a little? </para>
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<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
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<para>- My honorable friend knows that at his request the loosening of the War Precautions Regulations generally is under the consideration of the Acting Attorney-General and myself. He had a considerable length of time in which to frame his list of suggestions, but I have not had half an hour since that list was received to give attention to it. However, the Acting Attorney-General is looking into the matter, and we shall let the House know as soon as possible the result of our investigation. </para>
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<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<title>SHIPS PURCHASED IN AMERICA</title>
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<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<para>- Will the Minister in charge of shipbuilding furnish a return as to the ships which have been purchased in- America, their classification, and the amount paid for each ? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KYD</name.id>
<electorate>GREY, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<role>Honorary Minister</role>
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<name role="metadata">POYNTON, Alexander</name>
<name role="display">Mr POYNTON</name>
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<para>- I shall endeavour to do so. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<title>WAR AIMS OF GOVERNMENT</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KNH</name.id>
<electorate>MELBOURNE PORTS, VICTORIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">MATHEWS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr MATHEWS</name>
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<para>- Yesterday, in reply to a question, the Acting Prime Minister said that he considered the retention of certain islands in the Pacific vital to the </para>
</talk.start>
<para class="block">Bafety of Australia. Evidently the retention of this territory is one of the war aims of the Government. Will the honorable gentleman give the House and the people a statement of the full war aims of his Government, so that we may know where we stand? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
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<para>- The views of the Government in this matter remain unchanged. They have been expressed on several occasions by the Prime Minister. Should the House desire their restatement before the close of our sittings, I shall give it; but the honorable gentleman cannot plead ignorance of our views on this or any other point connected with the war. </para>
</talk.start>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebateinfo>
<title>VISIT OF AUSTRALIAN JOURNALISTS TO BRITAIN</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate>COOK, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
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<para>- Will the Acting Prime Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Watt)</inline> make a statement to the House concerning the information given in the press on Monday last, to the effect that twelve Australian journalists were being invited by the British. Government to visit Britain; and can he say whether any intimation has been received from the British Government in connexion with the matter? </para>
</talk.start>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
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<para>- A question to the same effect is being asked, on notice, in the Senate to-day; but, for the information of this House, I may say that a cablegram has been received during this week, intimating the deBire of the British Government that twelve owners or editors of newspapers should visit Britain at the request of the recently established British Ministry of Information. The Government are now considering the best means of giving effect to that request. It is, apparently, the wish of the British Government that the visit should be made at an early date. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<title>REPATRIATION SCHEME</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZC</name.id>
<electorate>ILLAWARRA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">LAMOND, Hector</name>
<name role="display">Mr HECTOR LAMOND</name>
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<para>- Will the Government consider the advisableness of arranging for the Minister for Repatriation to explain in this House thescheme with which he is associated? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
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<party>NAT</party>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
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<para>- I do not know of any constitutional means by which the honorable member&#39;s suggestion could be given effect to, but I will consult my colleague, the Minister for Repatriation, andsee whether a&#39;dditional matter may not be placed before the House, framed by himself as author of the scheme and chief administrator of it. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<title>LEGISLATION DURING PRIME MINISTER&#39;S ABSENCE</title>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KHE</name.id>
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<name role="metadata">HIGGS, William</name>
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<para>- Is there any understanding, expressed or implied, between the Acting Prime Minister and his colleagues on the one hand, and the Prime Minister and the Minister for the Navy on the other hand, that no legislation will be effected in regard to industrial matters or the Tariff during the absence of our representatives at the Imperial Conference ? </para>
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<talker>
<page.no>5020</page.no>
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<name.id>KXG</name.id>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
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<para>- No such understanding exists. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<title>WHEAT SILOS</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KYA</name.id>
<electorate>CALARE, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">PIGOTT, Henry</name>
<name role="display">Mr PIGOTT</name>
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<para>- Can the Acting Prime Minister say when the wheat silos which are in course of erection will be completed, and whether they will be in readiness for the use of farmers during the coming harvest? </para>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
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<party>NAT</party>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
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<para>- I am not able to give the honorable member the information he requires. If he will place his question on the notice-paper, I will see that my colleague who is charged with the duty of co-operating with the State Governments in regard to this matter will have the information available next week. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<title>RE-REGISTRATION OF UNIONS</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZA</name.id>
<electorate>EAST SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">WEST, John Edward</name>
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<para>- Has the Acting Prime Minister any further information with regard to the matter of the re-registration of unions, concerning which he was asked a question by me yesterday ? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
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<para>- I have no further information to give to the honorable member. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<subdebate.1>
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<title>GOVERNOR-GENERAL&#39; S CONFERENCE</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<talk.start>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">FOSTER, Richard</name>
<name role="display">Mr RICHARD FOSTER</name>
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<para>- Is the fulfilment of the conditions embodied in the resolution adopted at the Conference convened by the Governor-General optional, or is it enjoined on all parties to that Conference that they shall be carried out ? Further, are the concessions to be made by the Federal Government to be carried out irrespective of whether or not the conditions all round are fulfilled honorably by the parties to the Conference? </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
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<para>- If the honorable member will read the report of the deliberations of the Conference, he will see that therewas no bargain struck between the parties represented there. I was not a member ofthe Conference, but, as I read the report, I gather that the procedure adopted was as follows : - Objections were lodged by those who may be regarded as representatives of the Official Labour party at the Conference to certain practices and regulations which they claimed to be hindrances to recruiting. The representatives of the Government, headed by the Prime Minister, considered those representations and gave their answers, showing what the Government were prepared to do. There was a great desire on the part of the Government to conclude the Conference with an amiable contract, but that was not secured. In the mean time, Ministers, in the utmost good faith, are going on with their part of the bargain, and they propose to appeal to those who are responsible for the movement which is represented by honorable members opposite to fulfil in the same good spirit their undertakings or obligations, moral or otherwise. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
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<title>DISTRESS IN NEWCASTLE DISTRICT</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KX9</name.id>
<electorate>NEWCASTLE, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<para>- In view of the sudden distress that has been brought about in the district of Newcastle owing to the cutting off of vessels and the consequent slackness of work in the coal mines and on the water side, will the Government take into consideration the advisability of giving some sort of relief to those who have been thrown out of work by commencing essential Commonwealth public works, as has been done on similar occasions ? </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<para>- I think that noticemight be given of the question, but at this stage I may say that I know nothing of the distress mentioned by the honorable member. At the present time, the Minister in charge of shipbuilding is dealing with a proposition regarding the coaf trade ; and, if his scheme is accomplished, it will mean a more regular distribution of work in given collieries. I hope that this may be achieved as a result of the conferences that are to follow shortly. </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<para>- There will still be a shortage of employment on the water frontage amongst those who are not working in the collieries. </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<para>- If the honorable member will supply me with the particulars, I will consult with the Minister for Works and Railways, and see how far that unemployment may be relieved. </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<title>WOOL CLIP</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<para>- Has any arrangement been made to purch.nse the ensuing wool clip? </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<para>- No arrangement has been made so far. </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<title>AUSTRALIAN WOOD FOR AEROPLANES</title>
<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<para>- I wish to ask a question of the Assistant Minister for Defence. </para>
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<page.no>5021</page.no>
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<name role="display">Mr Richard Foster</name>
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<para>- About the Tariff? </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- Order ! It is not only desirable, but very essential, that I should hear questions which are submitted without notice; but it is impossible for me to hear some owing to audible conversations and interchanges across the chamber. There is also growing up among honorable members generally a habit of interjecting a reply as soon as an honorable member rises to ask a question of a Minister. I ask honorable members to cease this practice, and allow proceedings to be conducted in a manner which is more in accord with the dignity of the House and the rules which govern its procedure. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- Owing to the proved suitability of Australian timber, will the Minister representing the Minister for Defence see that an endeavour is made to use Australian woods in the manufacture of aeroplanes? </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- I will submit the matter to the Minister for Defence. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<title>SOLDIERS&#39; CABLEGRAMS</title>
<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>Delayed Delivery</para>
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<talk.start>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- In the absence of the Postmaster-General, I wish to ask the Assistant Minister for Defence whether it is not possible to do something to prevent the very unsatisfactory delay in the delivery of soldiers&#39; cables? I have one case where a cablegram left london on 22nd March, and arrived at Nanango, Queensland, in my electorate, on the 11th May, and a letter confirming despatch of the cable reached its destination the same day. I have had several cases of this kind brought under my notice, in one of which it took nearly three months to transmit a cable to the Commonwealth Bank, London, authorizing payment of &#163;30 to a wounded soldier. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- On a recent occasion I answered a similar question, to the effect that the Defence Department has no control over the sending of cables. That rests with the cable companies, who explain that the delays are due to pressure of business. I shall, however, undertake to see what can be done in the way of expediting cablegrams to and from soldiers. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<title>ANNEXATION OF FIJI</title>
<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>Policy of the Government. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- In view of the fact that a statement has appeared in the press to the effect that the Prime Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Hughes)</inline> and the Minister for the Navy <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Cook),</inline> after their arrival at Suva on the 5th May, were making inquiries among the residents as to the feeling there regarding the annexation of Fiji by Australia, I should like to know whether it is part of the war policy of the Government that there should be a kind of Imperial domain, or greater Australia, in the Pacific? Has the matter been considered by the Cabinet, and, if so, does it form part of the business of the delegation to London ? </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- I know nothing of the rumour to which the honorable member refers. The matter of Australia&#39;s relations with Fiji has not been considered by the Government. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>Press Comment</para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- An article appeared in yesterday&#39;s <inline font-style="italic">Argus</inline> commenting very trenchantly on a statement by the Acting Prime Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Watt)</inline> with regard to the taxable income of Australia. I should like to know whether the honorable gentleman proposes to make a statement, either reconciling his remarks with those comments, or correcting his own figures, so as to relieve the public from a great misapprehension as to the percentage of income which has been contributing to the war expenditure? </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- I do not propose to make such a statement. If Ministers generally were to reply to every newspaper comment upon their utterances they would have very little time for anything else. The article I read with my customary haste, and I know that the writer was guessing with regard to certain statements I had made, and, in order to furnish pabulum for the article, had guessed wrongly. I have no occasion to reconcile either of the statements, because they are not mutually conflicting. </para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>Dismissal of Married Men</para>
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<page.no>5022</page.no>
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<para>- Has the Acting Prime Minister considered that the dismissal of temporary employees from the Defence Department, who are married men, and nevertheless eligible for active service abroad, to make room for single men, whether returned soldiers or others, is consistent with his policy of opposition to economic conscription? </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- I know nothing of the practice in the Defence Department to which the honorable member refers. I should like notice of the question, so that I may make inquiries. </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- Has any decision been arrived at with regard to the more equitable allotment of spinning yarn arriving in Australia, and the supply to the various patriotic organizations at cost price of the wool necessary for their work? </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- I hardly think that question comes within my Department, tut I shall endeavour to ascertain the information for the honorable member. </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>Erection of Cottages</para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- Is the Minister for Works and Railways aware that a number of persons think there is an adroit movement to be made presently to move the Seat of Government from Melbourne to Canberra? Does the honorable gentleman know that that idea has been created by the fact that a village of cottages is being built at Canberra, and that people are speculating what these are intended for? Will he explain why these cottages are being erected? </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- There is a question on the notice-paper referring to the matter. </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- About three weeks ago I asked the Assistant Minister for Defence a question relating to Public Service examinations.Seeing that the question involves the honour of a member of this House, as well as the purity of the examination system, will the honorable gentleman, without further delay, supply an answer? </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- Inquiries are being made, and I told the honorable member yesterday that I thought I would be in a position to give a reply to-day. I shall obtain the information as quickly as possible. </para>
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<subdebateinfo>
<title>SOLDIERS&#39; DEPENDANTS</title>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- Is the Acting AttorneyGeneral in a position to inform the House what action his Department is taking to deal with landlords who are raising the rents of dependants of soldiers and also evicting them from houses ? </para>
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<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<para>- This question was raised by the honorable member yesterday, when he cited specific cases, and, as I promised, I am having inquiries made. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>CONDEMNED TEA : ALLEGED RELEASE</title>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<para>- The Leader of the Opposition <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Tudor)</inline> yesterday asked a question in reference to the alleged re.lease of some condemned tea. The facts are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>A consignment of 250 chests of tea from Hong Kong, which arrived in November, 1916, was found upon examination not to comply with the standard prescribed by the Customs regulations, in that it was deficient in aqueous extract. The goods were accordingly seized as forfeited. On 6th December, 1916, a request was made for permission to re-export the tea to Russia. As this particular shipment appeared to be deserving of somewhat more lenient treatment than some of the previousshipments dealt with by the Department, and also in view of the extreme desirability of avoiding economic waste, the ComptrollerGeneral, on 7th March, 1917, decided to permit . the re-shipment of the tea to Russia. At a later stage permission was given for exportation to the United States of America, it having been shown that tea of similar quality had been admitted into that country as being of the standard required. Shipment was effected in February, 1918. The delay in exporting the goods was due to inability to obtain space on vessels. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
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</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>ARTIFICIAL LIMBS FOR SOLDIERS</title>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5023</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<name role="metadata">WISE, George</name>
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<para>- On Wednesday last the honorable member for Melbourne Ports <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Mathews)</inline> asked: - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Are the Ministry aware that the Defence Department are discharging members of the Australian Imperial Force who have lost their limbs at the Front before the men have been fittedwith artificial limbs? That is not the practice in England. There, men are not discharged until they are supplied with artificial limbs. Will the Government undertake to see that no man who requires an artificial limb is discharged from the Australian Imperial Force until he has been fitted with one? </para>
</quote>
<para>The answer to the honorable member&#39;s question is as follows : - </para>
<quote>
<para>In some instances men who have lost a limb nre discharged from the service before they have been fitted with an artificial replacement. </para>
<para class="block">In all cases returned wounded men are discharged not later than six months from date of arrival from overseas, when they are placed on pension &#39;if necessary. All amputation cases are placed on pension. The provision of an artificial limb is made as soon as the amputation stump is ready to receive it and the limb can be provided. It is not proposed to extend the period of six months referred to above, the adopted procedure having been found to work well in practice. Further, I am advised that renewals and repairs are provided by the Repatriation Department, which utilizes the services of private limb makers until such time as the Commonwealth Limb Factory is in a position to supply all requirements with reasonable promptness. </para>
<para>Directly a man is discharged, whether he has been fitted with a limb or not, he is entitledto the benefits of the Repatriation Scheme, which provides sustenance until the applicant has been given reasonable facilities for re-establishment. </para>
</quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>LITHGOW SMALL ARMS FACTORY</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Housing of Employees</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>K4W</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">NICHOLLS, Samuel</name>
<name role="display">Mr NICHOLLS</name>
</talker>
<para>- I ask the Acting Prime Minister whether the Government will submit the matter of housing the employees at the Lithgow Small Arms Factory to the Public &#34;Works Committee before the House adjourns? </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
</talker>
<para>- It is the intention of the Minister for Works to propose such a reference. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>PAPERS</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<type>papers</type>
</debateinfo>
<para>The following papers were presented : - </para>
<quote>
<para>Racing, 1918-19- Cabinet Decisions as. to Regulation of. </para>
</quote>
<para>Ordered to be printed. </para>
<para>The War- </para>
<para>Report onthe Transport of British Prisoners of War to Germany - AugustDecember, 1914. (Paper presented to the British Parliament.) </para>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>LAND RESUMPTION AT LEICHHARDT</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZA</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr. Mahony</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WEST, John Edward</name>
<name role="display">Mr WEST</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister for Home and Territories, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Have any arrangements been made by the Commonwealth with the Government of the State of New South Wales for the resumption of certain lands and buildings known as &#34;Killoween&#34; and &#34;Broughton Hall,&#34; in Leichhardt, Sydney? 2.If so, will the Minister give the House full details of the arrangements made? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KCO</name.id>
<electorate>ANGAS, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Home and Territories</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">GLYNN, Patrick</name>
<name role="display">Mr GLYNN</name>
</talker>
<para>- The State Government of New South Wales is at present negotiating for the purchase of these two properties, originally estimated to cost &#163;18,000.They will be utilizedby the De fence Department for special medical cases until after the war, consequently the Defence Department has agreed to advance the purchase money to the State, which will be refunded by the State when the properties are no longer required by the Defence Department. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>NAVY DEPARTMENT</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Appointment of Mr. Latham:</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KLM</name.id>
<electorate>MELBOURNE, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MALONEY, William</name>
<name role="display">Dr MALONEY</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister representing the Minister for the Navy, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Is it a fact that whilst <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Latham</inline> was in the employ of the Navy Department he continued to receive remuneration from the practice of his profession? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Did he continue to lecture on the Law of Contracts to law students at a remuneration of &#163;200 per year? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Was it the practice of <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Latham</inline> to accept one-third of the fees received by other barristers under a system whereby a solicitor delivered to a barrister, say <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. A.B.,</inline> a brief marked &#34; <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. A.B.</inline> for <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Latham,</inline> 15 guineas,&#34; and <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. A.B.</inline> would have to appear in the case and hand over one-third of the fee to <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Latham</inline> ? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>If <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Latham</inline> enlisted to fight, why did he not go to the Front? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KYD</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">POYNTON, Alexander</name>
<name role="display">Mr POYNTON</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>No. At considerable financial sacrifice, <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Latham</inline> ceased practice at the Bar when he joined the Navy Department. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Yes. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>No such arrangement is known to the Department. </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>He was withheld from going to the Front because the Navy Department urgently asked for his services for war work. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>BADGE&#39;S FOR SEAMEN</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KHE</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">HIGGS, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr HIGGS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Assistant Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Whether the Commonwealth Government have issued special badges to be worn by disabled merchant seamen? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Have any badges been issued to seamen disabled as the result of the Commonwealth steam-ships <inline font-style="italic">Australdale</inline> and <inline font-style="italic">Australbush?</inline></para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1P</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WISE, George</name>
<name role="display">Mr WISE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>No. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>No. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>COAL MINING INDUSTRY</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<type>miscellaneous</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>Payments to Mr. C. A. Willis</title>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5024</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZC</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">LAMOND, Hector</name>
<name role="display">Mr HECTOR LAMOND</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the </para>
</talk.start>
<para>Acting Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>What was the total amount paid by the Commonwealth during 1917 to <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. C.</inline> A. Willis, secretary of the Coal Employees Federation? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>For what services were the payments made? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>&#163;192 3s.6d. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Fees and travelling expenses as assessor in connexion with compulsory conferences on coal mining industry. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>QUEENSLAND CYCLONE</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KHE</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">HIGGS, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr HIGGS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Acting Prime </para>
</talk.start>
<para>Minister,upon <inline font-style="italic">notice -</inline></para>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Is it a fact that the people of theMalay States have subscribed a sum of one hundred and twenty-eight thousand pounds (&#163;128,000) for the relief of those who suffered by the recent floods and cyclone in Central and Northern Queensland? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so, is this money to be placed to the credit of the Commonwealth Government for distribution ? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Will the Acting Prime Minister be good enough to arrange that those residents of Rockhampton District, who have suffered, and are still suffering, through the devastation caused by recent floods; get their fair share of the relief fund? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>No. The High Commissioner in London advises that the British Minister at Bangkok states there is no foundation for the report, the alleged fund having been apparentlyconfused by a section of the press with an amount collected for the relief of the sufferers from floods in Siam. 2 and 3. See answer to No. 1. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>SUPPLICATION FOR SOLDIERS AND SAILORS</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para class="block">Prayer in Parliament. </para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZC</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">LAMOND, Hector</name>
<name role="display">Mr HECTOR LAMOND</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Acting Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Whether he will consider the advisableness of adding to the prayer used at the opening of the sittings of the House a supplication for the soldiers and sailors engaged in the war? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
</talker>
<para>- The suggestion will receive consideration. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>WOMEN&#39;S VOLUNTEER CORPS</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Assistant Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Is it a fact that members of the Women&#39;s Volunteer Corps, Sydney, have been asked to accept duty at the new Concentration Camp being constructed at Canberra? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so, what duties are women required for at such Camp? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>If he is not fully informed <inline font-style="italic">re</inline> above, will he make inquiries and inform the House of the result? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1P</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WISE, George</name>
<name role="display">Mr WISE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - 1 and 2. The Department has no information on this subject. </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="3.">
<para>Inquiries are being made into the matter. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>INTERNMENT OF ENEMY ALIENS</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Assistant Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>How many internees are to be provided for at the new Internment Camp at Canberra? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What is the estimated cost of such Camp? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1P</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WISE, George</name>
<name role="display">Mr WISE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The information for which the honorable member asks is confidential, but will be supplied to the honorable member privately. </para>
</talk.start>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Acting Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
</continue>
<quote>
<para>Will he make a full statement regarding Germans or other aliens being brought to this country for internment? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KXG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">WATT, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr WATT</name>
</talker>
<para>- No statement can be made for publication at this juncture. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>WHEAT POOLS</title>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Assistant </para>
</talk.start>
<para>Minister for Trade and Customs, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>How many bushels of wheat were pooled in the 1915-16, 1916-17, and 1917-18 pools respectively? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What amount has been paid per bushel for the years mentioned up to 30th April, 1918? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5025</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KNF</name.id>
<electorate>RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>LP; NAT from 1917</party>
<role>Honorary Minister</role>
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MASSY-GREENE, Walter</name>
<name role="display">Mr MASSY-GREENE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<para class="block">
<graphic href="085331191805230_6_0.jpg" />
</para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>5026</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>CORNSACKS</title>
<page.no>5026</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>5026</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Assistant </para>
</talk.start>
<para>Minister for Trade and Customs, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>What is the estimated quantity ofbags required for Australia in 1918-19? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What is the quantity for each State? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Is it a fact that certain firms having credits in India for the purpose of purchasing bags, or who purchased bags in previous years, are to be allowed certain sums on the bags imported for 1918-19? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>What are the names of the firms in question ? </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>What service are they rendering for such payment ? </para>
</item>
<item label="6.">
<para>What is the amount of such payment? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
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<talk.start>
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<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
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<para>200,000 bales. &#34;2. Victoria, 65,000 bales; New South Wales, 50,000 bales; South Australia, 57,000 bales; Western Australia, 23,000 bales; Queensland, 3.500 bales; Tasmania, 1.500 bales. </para>
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<para>No. 4, 5, and 6. See answer to No. 3. </para>
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<para>asked the Assistant Minister for Trade and Customs, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<para>What charge or allowance is to be made by distributors of bags imported by the Government for 1918-19 and added to the selling price? </para>
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<para>Is it a fact that John Bridge and Company, Sydney, are willing to undertake the distribution in New South Wales for 2d. per dozen ? </para>
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<para>- The answers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
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<para>This matter is at present under consideration. </para>
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<para>Not that I am aware of. The Government&#39;s intention is to distribute the bags as widely as possible through the usual trade channels. </para>
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<para>Mr.TUDOR asked the Minister for Trade and Customs, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<para>Will the Minister please furnish a return giving particulars of complete motor cars and chassis of the following makes imported into Australia since the date of the order prohibiting their importation: - Ford, Maxwell, Buick, Chevelot, Studebaker, and Overland? </para>
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<para>- The information desired cannot be supplied, because no record is kept of the individual makes imported. </para>
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<para>asked the Assistant Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<para>Is it a fact that the <inline font-style="italic">Labor Call</inline> was passed by the censor at 4.45 p.m. on the 15th May, 1918? </para>
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<para>If so, notwithstanding that it is alleged that these papers were posted at the Spencerstreet Bulk Docket Office at 5.15 p.m. that day (15th May, 1918), is it a fact that they were not delivered to the news agents until 17th May, 1918? </para>
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<para>Is it a fact that, although the censor passed the paper on the 15th May, 1918, heagain held it up in the Post Office on the 16th May, 1918, or was the delay due to the fact that the censor had neglected to advise the postal authorities thathe had passed it? </para>
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<para>If so, as such delays mean a considerable loss of subscribers and excessive returns of papers, also the nullifying of important advertisement notices and a monetary loss, will the Minister take such steps to prevent a similar delay in future? </para>
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<para>- Theanswers to the honorable member&#39;s questions are as follow : - </para>
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<para>Yes. </para>
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<para>The censorship authorities are unable to say. </para>
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<para>No. The mail censor, after passing the paper, at once advised the postal authorities, between 4 and 5 p.m. on the 15th May, 1918, that the paper had been passed and could be sent through the post. </para>
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<para>There was no delay by the censorship authorities. </para>
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<para>asked the Acting Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<para>Where is the &#163;4,750,000 to be paid towheatgrowers coming from - is it being imported from oversea? </para>
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<para>If it is not being imported, what institution or authority has created it, if it has been created ? </para>
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<para>Is such money being provided by financial institutions in Australia? </para>
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<para>If so, what are the institutions, and what are the amounts? </para>
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<para>Have such institutions any reserves of Commonwealth Bank notes in their possession; if so, what was the face value of such notes on the last known dates? </para>
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<para>Will the Minister name the institutions referred to, giving the face value of notes held and the dates of such holdings? </para>
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<para>Has it been necessary to ask the institutions referred to in previous paragraphs (3) and (4) to make available the &#163;4,750,000? </para>
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<para>Was a meeting of such institutions held to decide the matter; if so, give the date and place of meeting? </para>
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<para>Did the Commonwealth Government make its request to such institutions verbally or in writing; if so, will it give the text of such verbal request or communication? </para>
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<para>What amount is being paid to such institutions for their services?. </para>
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<para>- Much of the information sought would take a considerable time to compile, and would have little bearing on the problem of wheat finance. The provision of the sum named was arranged by my predecessor as a part of the agreement made between the Commonwealth Treasury and the banks of Australia in relation to the financing of the primary products for the current year, estimated to total &#163;76,000,000. </para>
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<para>Debate resumed from 22nd May <inline font-style="italic">(vide</inline> page4976), on motion by <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Watt</inline> - </para>
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<para>That this Bill be now read a second time. </para>
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<para class="block">Upon which <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Tudor</inline> had moved - </para>
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<para>That after the word &#34; That &#34; the words &#34; this House condemns the action of the Government in enlisting for service abroad youths of eighteen years, who have not obtained the consent of their parents,&#34; be inserted. </para>
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<para>.- I support the amendment moved by the Leader of the Opposition <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Tudor),</inline> with the sentiments expressed by whom I am entirely in accord. The honorable gentleman has taken this course, not with the object of holding up the Government to public ridicule, but to protect the young male population of Australia. After the amendment had been discussed for some time, the Acting Prime Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Watt)</inline> announced that the whole question was to be considered at a meeting of the Cabinet this morning. It is singular that the Government should not have made that announcement until the last moment. Honorable members opposite assert that they are opposed to any system that would enable the child population of Australia to break away from parental control, but they plead that they cannot support this amendment since its adoption would prevent the Government from raising the loan of &#163;80.000,000 to be authorized by the Bill. There is no justification for that plea. The amendment could be carried without interfering in the least with the desire of the Government to pass this War Loan Bill. I am confident that if any honorable member opposite had a boy of eighteen who desired to enlist, he would not allow him to do so at that age, nor would he compel him to enlist against his will. I do not know whether the Government intend to propose any modification of the system under which it is no longer necessary for youths between eighteen and twenty-one years, of age to obtain the consent of their parents to their enlistment; but we shall not be satisfied with anything less than its complete withdrawal. It would be far less harmful to the community to permit men over fifty years to enlist than it is to allowthese lads to go to the Front without their parents&#39; consent. A youth of eighteen or nineteen years of age is. physically unfit to bear the strain of active service. He is not sufficiently developed to be able successfully to undergo the hardships associated with actual warfare. If we have reached a stage when Great Britain and its Allies are dependent upon the child population of Australia to pull them out of the mire, then it is nearly time that some one in authority cried, &#34; Stop the war.&#34; </para>
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<para>One aspect of this question which must not be overlooked is the fact that there is a very serious possibility of these lads not being able to bear the strain of hospital treatment. Should any of them be seriously injured or wounded, there is every reason to believe that many of them would not be sufficiently developed - would not have the heart - to carry them through a severe operation. That, in itself, is another serious objection to the Government&#39;s proposal. No one can object to youths of eighteen or nineteen being allowed to enlist with the consent of their parents ; but when it is proposed that they shall be free, to enlist without such consent the position is altogether different. Many boys of eighteen would be glad to break away from the control of their parents, and to enlist under any condition. At no time in life is a youth more in need of the advice and guidance of his parents than when he is between eighteen and twenty-one years of age, and if our lads be free from all parental restraint in this regard, there is a possibility of their being led into the greatest of temptations. I do not say that will happen in every case, but in many instances it will, and the training which their parents have given them will be thrown to the winds. </para>
<para>After the war had been going on for two years, Germany found it necessary to call up lads of eighteen, and to that action the people of our Empire took very serious exception. It was said that Germany was murdering its young population by putting such boys in the firing line. But while we condemned as brutal this action on their part, we are now proposing to do the same thing. Parents will not be content to allow their boys to be enticed away by any military inducement, and they will seek the first opportunity of giving practical expression to their views. I have heard of cases where mothers are sore afraid that this decision on the part of the Government will lead to their boys of eighteen disregarding parental control. It is, to say the least, remarkable that this, of all Governments, should have come to the conclusion that, while a lad of eighteen is not sufficiently developed to be intrusted with the franchise, he is well enough developed to shoulder a rifle, and to protect those who are far more capable of fighting than he is. If lads are permitted to enlist at the age of eighteen, they will break down in the firing line. They maystand the strain of training and transport, but they cannot stand the strain of actual warfare, because their hearts are not sufficiently developed, and their physique is not good enough. </para>
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<para>- I know boys of eighteen who have hearts good enough. </para>
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<para>- My views on this matter are as likely to be right as those of honorable members opposite, who are painfully anxious to clear Australia of its manhood. </para>
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<para>- A lot of those who are here would be better out of the country. They are not worthy to stay in it. </para>
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<para>- Honorable membersopposite do not say much for the rising generation of Australia when they say that the country would be better without them. That is why they are anxious to see lads of eighteen put into the firing line - led to the slaughter-house unconditionally. </para>
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<para>- I ask the honorable member not to address himself to the House in terms reflecting on other honorable members. It is against the rules of debate to do so, and his sense of what is right and proper will show him that he should not do it. </para>
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<para>- I am sorry for the expression, but honorable members keep interjecting. </para>
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<para>- I have several times called on the House to keep silence, and do not wish to resort to other measures, but if honorable members will not obey the Chair I shall have to put the Standing Orders in force to secure order. </para>
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<para>- If the honorable member interrupts again I shall be under the painful necessity of asking the Acting Prime Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Watt)</inline> to take a certain course of action. It is highly disorderly to interrupt the Speaker. </para>
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<para>- I wish to deal with this matter without bias. I do not say that no one should leave Australia to fight for the British Empire. I have never attempted to prevent any person from enlisting, and, under the voluntary system, I would give encouragement to any one who deemed it his duty to go. But I would not encourage a lad of eighteen to enlist, and I take the gravest exception to the offering of inducements to such lads to leave their homes to go to the war. The position of parents should receive the gravest consideration. Many parents have got their eldest sons at the war, and they do not wish to lose their whole family by sending away the lads of eighteen or nineteen years of age still at home. When all the sons have gone, the happiness of a home vanishes, and the pleasure of the parents in their home life disappears. Recruiting has been very successful during the past two or three weeks, for which we must give credit to the strenuous efforts of the Minister for Recruiting. </para>
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<para>- And of Captain Carmichael. </para>
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<para>- And of <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Mackinnon.</inline></para>
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<para>- Yes. If, however, we continue to offer inducements to youths of eighteen, the number of volunteers will decrease, because parents will be embittered against the recruiting movement. At the present time there is a scarcity of agricultural labour in the. country, and lads who are not capable of shouldering a rifle can take the place of absent agricultural workers. We cannot afford to dispense with the services of all who are accustomed to farm life. Then, again, there are scores of lads of eighteen who are apprentices, their parents having incurred considerable expense in giving them the opportunity to learn a trade. If they are enticed from the factory Or workshop before they have served their articles, the money of the parents will have been spent in vain. Under the present arrangements, however, lads of. eighteen can leave their workshops, and go straight to the recruiting officer. They know that if they do so their fathers can say nothing to them. In many cases when lads of eighteen or twenty have been wounded they have died of a broken heart, crying for their parents. I do not say that all of them would do that, because the average Australian does not cry for anything, but there are lighthearted lads who, finding that they have left the shores of Australia and the parental home, practically die of a broken heart. Many of these lads have never been away from home in their lives before, and the new life which they are called on to lead is wholly strange to them, and they cannot stand the strain of it. Nothing has been said to show that the enlistment of lads between the ages of eighteen and nineteen will serve the interests of the Empire. Indeed, the Empire would be better without them as soldiers. The figures show that during the past two or three weeks the recruits offering have been numerous enough to make it unnecessary to take lads under the age of twenty-one years. The Government might, perhaps, take lads into camp and keep them there until they became twenty-one years of age, if they wished to become soldiers^ but even in a camp a boy is away from parental control, and cannot benefit by the advice of his parents, and it is to lads of eighteen and nineteen years of age that parental control and advice are most valuable. At that period lads are mostly easily led into temptation. A young man of twenty-one or twenty-two is not so easily taken into bad company. It is a deplorable thing that boys should be asked to shoulder a rifle while robust men remain behind. </para>
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<para>- That is the best thing that you have said. </para>
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<para>- There are few men in this House who are not better able than lads of eighteen to shoulder a rifle. One or two of them may have reached the time of senile decay, but most of them are fitter than lads of eighteen. Yet they sit back and offer inducements to lads of eighteen to enlist. The man of fifty or fifty-five, and even the man of sixty, is better able to fight than the lad of eighteen. The older man goes on a platform and says, &#34;I would to God that I were only twenty-one years of age,&#34; but in his heart he is glad that he is over fifty. That has been the attitude of honorable members opposite since the beginning of the war. </para>
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<para>- What is the honorable member&#39;s attitude? </para>
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<para>- Not to go. </para>
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<para>- Quite right, and many honorable members opposite are in the same boat, although they are loud in their talk about the need for recruits. They have given no valid reason for not enlisting, but when a person on this side whose responsibilities are as great as theirs does not go, he is termed a disloyalist. </para>
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<para>- Who has said that? </para>
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<para>- You have said it all through. Honorable members opposite are beginning to recognise that they made a mistake when they called us disloyalists and pro-Germans. </para>
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<para>- They do not do that. </para>
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<para>- They have done it, and they are doing it to-day. At the same time they are asking us to assist recruiting to the fullest possible extent. Honorable members on this side of the House have done considerably more in many instances than honorable members opposite in the matter of recruiting. We have never shirked our responsibility in regard to the war. We are just as anxious to see Great Britain come out of the war victorious, and to see the war brought to a speedy and most effective settlement, as are honorable members opposite. We have done everything possible to advance the interests of Great Britain, but we will not suffer any indignity or injustice to be cast upon the parents of Australian youths, nor, if it can be avoided, will we permit those youths to be offered inducements to break away from their parental control. When this amendment is put to the vote honorable members opposite will say, &#34; We cannot vote for it, because we need the &#163;80,000,000;&#34; but there is nothing in the world to stop them getting the money. There is not one honorable member on the Government side of the House who would consent to his own child enlisting at eighteen years of age. </para>
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<para>- Do not say that. </para>
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<para>- There is not one reasonable-minded man who would do so. </para>
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<para>- Not one of us would refuse our consent. </para>
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<para>- If the honorable member would be desirous of consenting to his son&#39;s enlisting at eighteen years of age, at any rate there are 199 men who would not do so, knowing that children cannot stand the physical strain that is placed upon the members of our Forces overseas. </para>
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<para>- I have a nephew who will not be eighteen years of age until August next, and he is trying his best to enlist. </para>
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<para>- My son went away at eighteen years of age. </para>
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<para>- That is all right; but there are not too many parents who would give their consent to their sons enlisting at eighteen years of age. Is there one honorable member opposite who would compel his son to enlist at eighteen years of age? </para>
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<para>- Of course not. </para>
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<para>- Then if honorable members will not compel their sous to enlist at eighteen years of age, why should they offer an inducement to children to enlist at that age? They know very well that these children cannot successfully carry out the work that they would have to perform. If one man&#39;s child has enlisted at eighteen years of age - and unfortunately many have paid the supreme sacrifice - it is not a sufficient guarantee that the child of another parent should enlist at that age. If it is a good proposition to enlist these lads, why did <inline font-weight="bold">Sir William</inline> Irvine make the astounding statement that under no circumstances would he permit a child under the age of twentyone years to go into camp for the purpose of training or enlisting for service overseas. Honorable members know wellthat the people of Australia will not tolerate an iniquitous regulation which will permit children to break away from their homes at the age of eighteen years, and I cannot understand why the Government have even attempted to introduce it. Possibly they had a certain motive for their action, but they must see now that the regulation is not acceptable to the people, and I sincerely hope that they will withdraw it in the very near future. If they do not do so there will be serious trouble. I do not know what form that trouble will take. </para>
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<para>- It is not a threat, is it? </para>
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<para>- No; but there will be serious trouble. If I had a son eighteen years of age, I would not allow him to enlist, no matter what the conditions of the war might be. </para>
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<para>- Would you allow him to enlist at twenty-one years of age? </para>
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<para>- He could please himself then. </para>
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<para>- Would the honorable member use his influence against his son enlisting before he. reached the age of twenty-oneyears ? </para>
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<para>- I would. If he were twenty-one years of age, I would assist him if he desired to do so; but I would prevent him from enlisting before he &#39;reached that age, and I would deem it a most iniquitous law that would permit him to do it, despite my attempt to prevent him. I protest against the introduction of any system that will deprive parents of rights which they have enjoyed since the establishment of a White Australia. Never previously in the history of this country have the people been confronted with such an iniquitous regulation. Parents have always held&#39; it as a sacred right that they can advise their children until they attain the age of twenty-one years. They have always been responsible for the actions of their children who are not twenty-one years of age, but now we find that their responsibility is wiped out of existence, and the moment a child reaches the age of eighteen years he is to become his own master, and do as he likes. No matter what advice his parents may tender to him, he can refuse to obey their will and their wishes. A child of eighteen years of age may take exception to certain advice tendered to him by his parents, and. although at the time he may not have had the slightest intention of enlisting, he can now turn round, and say to the parents, &#34; I do not want your advice. I will enlist, and go off to the military camp, and you will no longer be my bosses.&#34; If this regulation continues in force, there will be disruption from one end of Australia tothe other, and recruiting will not continue to flourish as it is now doing. Possibly the interest displayed by the people of Australia in regard to the war will diminish to some extent. I hope that such will not be the case, but those parents whose sons will enlist without their consent must display hostility towards the rules and regulations laid down by the Defence Department. I hope that the amendment willbe carried. </para>
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<para>. - May I, toy leave, claim the attention of theHouse for a few moments. <inline font-style="italic">(Leave granted.&#39;)</inline></para>
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<para>I am under theunfortunate necessity of having to ask for leave to speak because late last night, in order to avoid a misconception of what would occur to-day, I felt obliged to make a brief statement, and I intimated to the House, with its full concurrence, that as soon as the Cabinet had finished its deliberations on this matter I would make a full statement concerning it to-day. I wish to do this before the debate proceeds further. </para>
<para>Before dealing with the matter which has been more particularly occupying our attention, I wish to wipe away two mutually conflicting arguments that have been used by honorable members opposite, doubtless in the best faith. I refer to them particularly because of the closing utterances of the honorable member for Macquarie <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Nicholls).</inline> On several occasions lately, we have been told that, as a result of the Government&#39;s new procedure - allowing boys between eighteen and twenty-one years of age to enlist without parental sanction or consent - we have been increasing the recruiting figures ; in other words, we have been told that all the new spirit of recruiting has been due to the fact that what one man described as &#34; war babies &#34; are being enlisted. </para>
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<para>- That was Captain Burkett. </para>
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<para>- That was a statement which originated with Captain Burkett, and has found support from honorable members opposite. On the other hand, the honorable member for Macquarie says that we do not require this new system, because the recruiting figures are quite good enough without these youths. Both statements cannot be true. I draw the attention of the honorable member for Macquarie, who has been responsible for the use of the last illustration, to the two statements in order that he may see that he has not solved the problem at all, be cause he collides violently with some of his colleagues opposite who hold the opposite view.&#34; </para>
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<para>I wish to explain very briefly to the House why the Government felt obliged to take the steps which it has taken, and before I sit down I wish to explain to what stage the Government has arrived as a result of its deliberations on the matter. It is perfectly plain from proofs beyond any doubt whatever that reinforcements of a minimum amount per month are needed for our own Armies abroad. The examination by the Chief Justice that was recently undertaken has sent to rest the number of phases of disputed figures that used to confront us at every point, and I think now we meeton common ground. Whether we believe in the war or not, so long as our troops are there and take part in any offensive, in all human probability we can assess the minimum number required for a given month or several months. </para>
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<para>- That is provided you keep to the original number of divisions. </para>
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<para>- Provided our troops are maintained in the same number of brigades and battalions as were formed when the war started. I do not wish to worry honorable members with any analysis of past problems as to whether so many men are required per month or not, but, having determined that there isan irreducible minimum of men required to maintain our divisions at their fighting strength, it is perfectly plain that we have to secure those numbers. Many a time and oft, as honorable members could see if they had an opportunity of perusing some of the correspondence and cables that have passed between Australia and Great Britain, the British war authorities have drawn attention to, as it is their bounden duty to do, and stressed, the urgency of keeping up the numbers necessary to maintain our divisions at their full fighting strength. We know that several battalions have already been &#34; scrapped,&#34; to put it plainly. They have been withdrawn from brigades in order to form reinforcements of other battalions; and we are also informed - and I ask the House to take this as authentic, and, if any honorable member doubts it, to apply to me for information privately - that further withdrawals of battalions are in contemplation. These are the influences that induced the Government,in view of the Recruiting Conference of His Excellency the Governor-General, to consider the necessity for all the activity we could bring to bear in order to secure sufficient recruits. The position to us is serious, and it is our duty to act; and in acting we have apparently come into collision with the views of a large number of people in the community. </para>
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<para>- Including your supporters, which is the important thing! </para>
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<para>- My honorable friend opposite is uneasy at finding himself this time in the company of one of the finest bodies of women in the country. </para>
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<para>- I am a bit uncomfortable about it. </para>
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<para>- I thought so ; but I ask him to bear the association for a little while. But without considering what particular sections are for or against it, it is plain that this decision of the Government has met with resistance, misunderstanding, and opposition in some sections of the people of Australia. Let me be clear beyond any possibility of misconception as to the position, because my honorable friend, the Leader of the Opposition, yesterday received my interjection with considerable surprise. </para>
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<para>- I did. </para>
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<para>- I wish to make it as plain as I can - and the facts are checkable by honorable members - that it has been almost the immemorial practice for Great Britain, in recruiting for the regular Army, to take boys of eighteen without parental consent. Long before this or any recent war, boys of eighteen could enter the British Army, and certain legal rights were given to them as majors, while certain other rights, for purely legal purposes, were retained by the parents. That was the old recruiting system; and all through this war, both before and after conscription, it has been the British practice. Here, in one of the Dominions which is fighting the man power problem in quite its own way - probably a wrong way, but we have to do it - we have followed the lead of the mother of the nation from whose loins we came. When we are accused of endeavouring to destroy parental responsibility and control, I ask honorable members to recollect that probably parental control is stronger in the land from which our kinsmen came than in any part of the world. </para>
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<para>- The Eastern nations teach us in that respect. </para>
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<para>- I may probably be reflecting on parental control in some of the patriarchical nations of the East, and I have no desire to do that. But Britain hangs her head to no other nation in the appreciation of family life and parental control. </para>
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<para>- If we may judge by the tombstones in the cemeteries of Europe the honorable gentleman could be disillusionized on that point. </para>
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<para>- That interjection is rather too recondite for me. At any rate, the English have a way of hiding their grief in a way not observed in other nations. Another view which the Defence Department felt bound to stress for the consideration of the Government was that all through the war there have been young men enlisting under the age of twenty-one, in some cases lying, in a generous spirit of patriotism, about their parents&#39; consent. These young men have gone into camp, and have frequently been taken away by indignant parents after months of training, all the time devoted to them thus being wasted. . This has proved a vast expense, and of no good really to the parents, to the home, or the enlisted soldiers. On one occasion a boy enlisted four times, and remained in camp until almost the maximum time, when he was taken away by his father. On inquiry, there was reasonable ground to believe that the father, who was not as patriotic as his son, had allowed this to be done because the boy&#39;s wages were bigger in camp than they wereoutside, and the father was feeding on them. The boy desired to enlist and go abroad, and yet at the last moment the parent exercised his control, and withdrew him. </para>
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<para>- That illustrates the folly of taking boys. </para>
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<para>- It illustrates the neceesity of dealing with cases of the kind, especially if they show any definite tendency on the part of the parent in the direction I have indicated. This was given to me by the Defence Department as, perhaps, the most conspicuous case. Another instance was that of a family of two sons, one over the age of twenty-one, who had offered for service and been rejected, the other eighteen years and seven months old. This latter youth, who was employed at fair wages, enlisted, but he was withdrawn by the father on the plea that the latter desired to enjoy the benefit of the boy&#39;s earnings, the boy having no power to serve against the decision of his father. Close inquiries were made into the circumstances of the family, and it was found that the father was in steady employment, with no financial difficulties, and the Defence Department regarded the treatment of the son by the father as improper, and hurtful to the true recruiting spirit. </para>
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<para>I have given the facts as to the British practice, and as to the Australian tendency that induced the Government to arrive at its- decision. I speak very plainly when I say that representations against the proposal have come to the Government from men and women in all quarters, who are helpful to the nation&#39;s cause, and anxious to help it. We realize as well as anybody could that we are driven back to the ^voluntary system, and must operate it as our only system. We are doing so in the best spirit; but it cannot thrive unless it has the general concurrence of the people. If in its operation we make an error of judgment, or go further in stressing the needs of the war than the people themselves are prepared to approve, voluntary recruiting will inevitably be prejudiced. As we have said unmistakably to the people at the Recruiting Conference and elsewhere, we propose to operate this system as far as possible, and the Government would be wanting in its sense of responsibility if it did not take into account representations that indicate a strong feeling among the people. </para>
<para>This very week, on Tuesday and today, the Government have considered the matter, having before it all the facts the Defence authorities have at their disposal, and we have come to the conclusion that we ought to modify the system in three distinct respects. I ask honorable members on both sides to notice what these modifications are. First of all, we propose that, instead of allowing young men to enlist without parental consent at eighteen, they shall not be able to do so until they are nineteen. Then, instead of keeping the enlisted soldier out of camp for six months, as originally proposed, until he has attained the age of eighteen and a half, he may, on enlistment, go straight into camp. The ques tion then arises as to how soon such a soldier is likely to reach the firing line, and, in regard to that, we are dependent to a great extent on the records of the Defence Department. As honorable members know, shipping is difficult and slow, and the whole desire of the CommandersinChief of the Army is to get our men into training elsewhere as soon as possible, so that they may learn modern methods. In this way many months sometimes may elapse before men are shipped; but, assuming that two months&#39; training takes place before the men are sent away after recruiting, and assuming, which is a low average, that it bakes them two months to reach their camp at the other end of the world, there are inevitably seven to eight months&#39; training, which under the conditions of modern warfare- </para>
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<para>- Not in France! </para>
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<para>- I am referring to British troops, and I speak from the latest information. I was about to say this means that none of the young men thus enlisted will reach the firing lino until they are twenty years of age. </para>
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<para>The other condition which I desire to explain is that where there are two or more sons in a family, and one of those sons is now serving with the Australian Imperial Force, while the other is under age, between nineteen and twenty-one - we do not propose to accept the remaining son without parental consent. Where the family has made its offering in fair proportion, we retain the condition of consent. If there are three sons, and two are serving, then parental consent will be necessary in the case of the remaining one. </para>
<para>There is another proposal which, perhaps, honorable members may consider as going too far. We make it, however, with the object of showing that the military authority itself, against which so many people in the community seem to be turning, is not to decide some of the issues connected with the matter. Where, subject to these&#39; two other arrangements, a person between the ages of nineteen and twenty-one enlists without parental consent, the parents may lodge with the District Commandant within ten days of the soldier entering camp, an objection, with the grounds thereof. The objection will be sent to the State Recruiting Committee for decision, and if the Committee upholds it on any of the grounds submitted, the man concerned will not be trained without the consent of the parents. </para>
<para>These are the three amendments which, we think, willbring the system into line with the sentiment of the people and aid recruiting. We must get recruits, or fail in our war aims. I was glad to hear from the honorable member for Macquarie <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Nicholls)</inline> that he is not against obtaining recruits, although I admit that his speech would lead one to believe that his attitude has been very negative. True, he has not adopted anything like the militant attitude against the war that some honorable members opposite have attempted, and. his spirit is also that of his leader, <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Tudor.</inline> The latter gentleman has stood on the platform scores of times all through the war, very often with men like myself, and has strongly appealed to that impulse of duty and patriotism which young men should feel. </para>
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<para>- I get credit for that at all times except election times. </para>
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<para>- I am quite sure my honorable friend never heard any other sentiment fall from my lips. </para>
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<para>- No man has done more for recruiting than has the Leader of the Opposition. </para>
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<para>- I think that is right; at any rate, he has done his full share, and any one who questions that statement will receive contradiction from the Government. That is the spirit in which I ask honorable members to accept the propo