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<date>1920-09-03</date>
<parliament.no>8</parliament.no>
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<para>House of Representatives. </para>
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<day.start>1920-09-03</day.start>
<para>Mr: <inline font-weight="bold">Speaker (Hon. Sir Elliot Johnson)</inline> took the chair at 11 a.m., and read prayers: </para>
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<title>NORTHERN TERRITORY</title>
<page.no>4187</page.no>
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<para class="block">Report by <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Day.</inline></para>
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<page.no>4187</page.no>
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<electorate>WAKEFIELD, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">FOSTER, Richard</name>
<name role="display">Mr RICHARD FOSTER</name>
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<para>- Will the Minister for Home and Territories lay on the table of the House the resort on the Northern Territory by <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Surveyor.</inline> Day. It is a very useful report,containing information in regard to railway matters and stocking, and I suggest that this action be taken with a view to having it printed. </para>
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<page.no>4187</page.no>
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<electorate>GREY, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">POYNTON, Alexander</name>
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<para>- Some little time ago thehonorable member for Boothby <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Story)</inline> brought the report under my notice, and I found, on inquiry, that it was out of print. I then gave instructions that this report, and also another: of a useful character, should be printed, and I hope to have copies ready for circulation at an early date. </para>
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<title>SUGAR SHORTAGE IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA</title>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">GABB, Joel</name>
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<para>- The honorable member for Hindmarsh <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Makin)</inline> and I have received telegrams from members of the Labour party in the South Australian Parliament, drawing attention to the shortage of sugar- in that State, and intimating that citizens are being rationed. I desire to ask the Minister for Trade and Customs whether the Government can do anything to alleviate the position? </para>
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<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<name.id>KNF</name.id>
<electorate>RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">MASSY-GREENE, Walter</name>
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<para>- The position in South Australia is practically the same as that throughout the Commonwealth. It has been caused mainly by the lateness of the Queensland season. Sugar, however, is now coming to hand. All the mills, I believe, are now working. </para>
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<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">TUDOR, Frank</name>
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<para>- Including the Mackay mills? </para>
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<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<electorate>RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">MASSY-GREENE, Walter</name>
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<para>- I think so.We anticipate that; provided shipping facilities are equal to the occasion, we shall be able very shortly to relieve the shortage of sugar throughout Australia. </para>
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<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">TUDOR, Frank</name>
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<para>- Is it not a fact that a steamer recently left Mackay 600 tons short of its usual cargo? </para>
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<page.no>4188</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KNF</name.id>
<electorate>RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>LP; NAT from 1917</party>
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<para>- I cannot say from memory whether or not that is so. There are so many of these matters that it is difficult to carry all of them in one's mind. I think, however, I can assure the House that at an early date the acute shortage of sugar will be over. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<subdebate.1>
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<title>NEW SEASON'S WHEAT: GUARANTEE</title>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<talker>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L4X</name.id>
<electorate>HUME, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
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<name role="metadata">MOLONEY, Parker</name>
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<para>- In the absence of the Prime Minister, I desire to ask the Honorary Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Rodgers)</inline> if it is intended that the whole of the proposed guarantee of 5s. per bushel in respect of next season's wheat shall be paid on delivery, or only part of it, and, jf so, what will be the proportion so paid? </para>
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<talker>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZT</name.id>
<electorate>WANNON, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party>LP; NAT from 1917</party>
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">RODGERS, Arthur</name>
<name role="display">Mr RODGERS</name>
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<para>- A Board to control the coming harvest has not yet been constituted, so that there is at present no authority to sell or handle wheat, or to deal with the financial side of the matter. As soon as the necessary body has been constituted the question of the dividends to be paid will be decided. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>BRITISH CONFERENCE LINES</title>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
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<para>Penalizing Shippers by Commonwealth Vessels. </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JTC</name.id>
<electorate>FREMANTLE, WESTERN AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">BURCHELL, Reginald</name>
<name role="display">Mr BURCHELL</name>
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<para>- I desire to ask the Prime Minister - </para>
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<para>Has the attention of the right honorable gentleman been -drawn to the fact that the Victorian Agency-General has been penalized by the British Conference Lines, commonly known as the British Shipping Combine, for shipping by vessels of the Commonwealth Government line of steamers. </para>
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<para>If so, will he inform the House of the circumstances connected therewith. </para>
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<talker>
<page.no>4188</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>DQC</name.id>
<electorate>BENDIGO, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Prime Minister</role>
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<name role="metadata">HUGHES, William Morris</name>
<name role="display">Mr HUGHES</name>
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<para>- The honorable member was good enough to give me notice of his intention to ask this question, and I desire to furnish the following reply: - </para>
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<para>Yes. I have received some cable communications from the manager of the lines in reference to it. </para>
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<item label="2.">
<para>It appears that the Conference Lines some time ago decided to grant deferred rebates of freight on shipments by vessels of their lines, provided the shippers did not ship by vessels not controlled by the Conference. The shipping agents employed by the Victorian Agency-General forwarded certain shipments on account of the Victorian Government by Conference steamers during the half-year ended 30th June, 1919, and when in due course they claimed the rebates on those shipments, in common with shipments made by them for other principals, it was necessary for them to slightly amend the customary certificate required by the Conference, as they were unable to declare that they had not effected shipment by lines outside the Conference, owing to the fact that they had also shipped by vessels of the Commonwealth Government Line. The Conference Lines intimated that they could not accept declarations which contained any amendment of the printed form. The Conference Lines eventually paid the rebates on the other cargoes, but excluded the Victorian Govern-, ment items. The Victorian Agent-General thereupon addressed a circular-letter on 211th April, 1920, to the Conference Lines concerned, inquiring whether it was their considered policy to penalize the Government of Victoria solely on account of its action in supporting the Commonwealth Government Line. The only reply received was from Messrs. Birt, Potter, and Hughes, who stated that they could not recognise any claim by the Victorian Government for rebates, as the conditions under which such rebates were granted had not been complied with. In order that the Victorian Government shall nut be penalized through its action in shipping by the Australian vessels, the Commonwealth Government Line has agreed to refund the amount represented by the rebates which the Conference Lines have declined to pay. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>SUGAR BEET</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<name.id>KI9</name.id>
<electorate>BARKER, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">LIVINGSTON, John</name>
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<para>- Will the Minister for Trade and Customs invite the Cabinet to consider the advisableness of encouraging the cultivation of beet sugar in Australia by giving a bonus on its production ? It has been abundantly proved that sugar beet can be grown without irrigation in the southern parts of Australia, and I am satisfied that by offering a bonus the Government would encourage the cultivation of sugar beet on a large scale, and thus make Australia independent of outside supplies of sugar. </para>
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<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KNF</name.id>
<electorate>RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>LP; NAT from 1917</party>
<role>Minister for Trade and Customs</role>
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<name role="metadata">MASSY-GREENE, Walter</name>
<name role="display">Mr GREENE</name>
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<para>- I shall be glad to give the matter consideration. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>TAXATION OF LEASEHOLDS</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JUB</name.id>
<electorate>BRISBANE. QLD</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">CAMERON, Donald Charles</name>
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<para>asked the Treasurer, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<para>Is it a fact that there is an anomaly in the Income Tax Assessment Act 1915 to 1918 connected with section 14 (d), relating to the consideration which passes on the assignment or transfer of a lease, and that the Commissionci of Taxation will not allow the unexpired portion of the consideration paid by a lessee to be deducted by the legal personal representative of such lessee on the transfer of the lease to a subsequent purchaser? 2.. Is it also a fact that the Commissioner of Taxation will not allow a deduction annually for depreciation of the lease under section 20 (i) to be made by such legal personal representative! </para>
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<item label="3.">
<para>Will the Treasurer instruct that an inquiry be made into this matter in order to preserve the equitable intention connected with computing the taxable income on transmission of a lease, and take steps, if necessary, to amend sections 14 <inline font-style="italic">(d)</inline> and 20 (i) of the Act, so that it may fully express such intention? </para>
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<speech>
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<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
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<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - </para>
</talk.start>
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<item label="1.">
<para>There is no anomaly. The Commissioner does allow a deduction in respect of the unexpired value of a lease. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>See answer to No. 1. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>In view of the answers to questions 1 and 2, it will be seen that the action suggested is unnecessary. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>PARLIAMENTARY ALLOWANCE</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KYV</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr. Blakeley</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">RILEY, Edward</name>
<name role="display">Mr RILEY</name>
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<para>asked the Treasurer, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Will he supply the names of honorable members of the House of Representatives and the Senate who have forfeited the increased allowance under the provisions of the Parliamentary Allowances Act, together with the amount forfeited by each member? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>FT; ANTI-SOC from 1906; LP from 1910; NAT from 1917</party>
<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
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<para>- I would suggest to the honorable member that he consultthe President and <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Speaker</inline> in regard to the question submitted. Allowances to members are paid by the officers of Parliament. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>K99</name.id>
<electorate>LANG, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">JOHNSON, Elliot</name>
<name role="display">Mr SPEAKER (Hon Sir Elliot Johnson</name>
</talker>
<para>- The. suggestion of the right honorable the Treasurer does not appeal to me. I do not think it is any part of the duties of the Speaker to disclose information which may be in his possession concerning the private affairs, financial or otherwise, of honorable members. Such matters, so far as they may be known to him, are regarded as confidential. If information is desired it should be sought elsewhere ; and the Treasurer is, in my judgment, the proper authority to whom any inquiries on the subject should be addressed. </para>
</talk.start>
<interjection>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">TUDOR, Frank</name>
<name role="display">Mr Tudor</name>
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<para>- Do you think, sir, that the Treasurer should answer the question? </para>
</talk.start>
</interjection>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<para>- The information, if given at all, should be supplied by the Treasurer. It is for the right honorable gentleman himself to say whether it should be given. </para>
</talk.start>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
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<para>- I should like to say, with your permission, <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Speaker,</inline> that the intimations issued every month to honorable members in regard to the payment of their allowances are signed by officers of this House, who are under your control. </para>
</talk.start>
</continue>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
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<para>- That is so ; but the information is always treated by me as confidential. </para>
</talk.start>
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</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>WAR GRATUITY BONDS</title>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KRD</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr. Brennan</electorate>
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<role />
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<name role="metadata">MCGRATH, David</name>
<name role="display">Mr McGRATH</name>
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<para>asked the Treasurer, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>In view of the fact that certain firms are undertaking to cash war gratuity bonds, conditional upon the applicant purchasinggoods to a certain value, does the Minister exercise, or propose to exercise, any supervision over these transactions, with a view to seeing that such returned soldiers are not victimized by excessive prices? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4189</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>FT; ANTI-SOC from 1906; LP from 1910; NAT from 1917</party>
<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
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<para>- Consent to the acceptance of war gratuity bonds by trading firms is issued on condition that goods supplied as part consideration for the bond are charged at prices not exceeding those ordinarily charged for cash sales. Where it is found that this condition is not complied with, consent to the transfer is refused. If any complaint is made regarding excessive prices, the matter is investigated by the Treasury. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>COCKATOO ISLAND DOCKYARD</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Importation of Forcings</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KYV</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr. J. H. Catts</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">RILEY, Edward</name>
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<para>asked the Minister for the Navy, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Is it the intention of the Government to import forging for Commonwealth shipbuilding at Cockatoo Dock? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Is the Broken Hill Proprietary Company able to supply steel of the requisite size and qualityfor such forgings? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Has a 5-ton hammer been recently erected at Cockatoo Island? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Is there a 7-ton hammer at Mort's Dock, Sydney? </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>Are competent forgers available in Australia capable of doing any forgings for any ships it is proposed to build at Cockatoo Island? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KTU</name.id>
<electorate>DENISON, TASMANIA</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for the Navy</role>
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<name role="metadata">SMITH, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr LAIRD SMITH</name>
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<para>- Inquiries are being made, and the necessary information will be furnished as soon as pos- </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>PROPRIETARY COMPANIES</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KWL</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr. Brennan</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">TUDOR, Frank</name>
<name role="display">Mr TUDOR</name>
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<para>asked the Attorney-General, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline> 1.May naturalized British subjects, whose country of origin was one of the countries with, which we have recently been at war, under any circumstances acquire shares in proprietary companies? 2.If so, what are the preliminary conditions? </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KFK</name.id>
<electorate>DARLING DOWNS, QUEENSLAND</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Works and Railways</role>
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<name role="metadata">GROOM, Littleton</name>
<name role="display">Mr GROOM</name>
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<para>- The answer to the honorable member's questions is as follows : - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Yes; if the consent of the Attorney-General isobtained upon application made in the form of a statutory declaration. </para>
</quote>
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</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>WOOL SCOURING</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>DQC</name.id>
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<name role="metadata">HUGHES, William Morris</name>
<name role="display">Mr HUGHES</name>
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<para>- On the 25th August the honorable member for Parkes <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Marr)</inline> asked me a question in regard to making wool available for scouring. I then furnished him with certain information, and promised to make inquiries with a view to seeing what could be done in the direction desired by him. I am now in a position to inform the honorable member that the Central Wool Committee received a cablegram from the. British Government some months ago in the following terms : - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Scoured wool generally is selling in proportion to greasy even worse than when we last telegraphed you on this subject, not only because prices are so much lower in proportion, but because frequent withdrawals occur for want of buying demands for scoured qualities. We impress on your attention that under conditions of peace the continuance of scouring in Australia on anything similar to its present scale is very bad business, and it would be much more economical to stop your operations, paying up the necessary compensation. </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">In response to a recent cablegram to the British authorities, the Central Wool Committee have just received the following reply:- </para>
<quote>
<para>With reference to your telegram No. 1318, regret to say supplies of scoured wool in stock are already disproportionately large and are least saleable portion of our stock. We most decidedly discourage further scouring of old clip wool for the scoured product will be of lower schedule value than the greasy wool. </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">I do not agree with that view. The policy of this Government, and I hope of the Parliament, is to do everything possible to encourage local industry. I am calling a conference of representatives of all sections of the industry at a very early date, in order that we may consider what should be done. </para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>LONDON DOCKS</title>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Reported Congestion of Foodstuffs</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4190</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<name role="metadata">HUGHES, William Morris</name>
<name role="display">Mr HUGHES</name>
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<para>- On Wednesday last the honorable member for Hindmarsh <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Makin)</inline> asked me for a reply to a question which he had placed on the notice-paper on the 22nd July, in regard to the reported congestion at the London docks of foodstuffs exported from Australia. I was under the impression that I had already furnished the honorable member with the following reply, which' I had prepared on receipt of a cable from the High Commissioners' Office, on 4th August : - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>I am now in a position to inform the honorable member that a cable has just been received from the High Commissioners' Office, in response to my inquiry, from which it appears that the reported congestion relates only to meat. The cable states that there is at present, difficulty in finding space for frozen meat cargoes; that the <inline font-style="italic">Naldera</inline> has gone into dry dock, with a. portion of mutton cargo; that the. <inline font-style="italic">Port Albany,</inline> which carried, approximately,. 42,000 quarters of beef, is unloading, but. that space has only been found so far for 12,000- quarters; that the British Ministry of Food states that there is nothing alarming in the meat storage position, and has promised to furnish a statement regarding the matter. The cable adds that there is plenty of room at the dock-sheds for canned and other goods." </para>
<para>The High Commissioners' Office subsequently cabled that the Ministry of Food had reported that all necessary arrangements for the speedy discharge of meat were being made, and that space had been provided for 19,000 quarters of the <inline font-style="italic">Port Albany</inline> beef. </para>
</quote>
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<debate>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>TAXATION COMMISSION</title>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
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<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
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<para>. - <inline font-style="italic">(By leave.)</inline> - I wish to announce to the House that the Government have appointed a Royal Commission to inquire into the whole question of taxation. It is intended that the Commission shall inquire into and report upon the incidence of Commonwealth taxation and any amendments which are necessary or desirable with a view to placing the system of taxation upon a sound and equitable basis, having regard generally to the public interests, and particularly to - (1) The equitable distribution of the burden of taxation; (2) the harmonization of Commonwealth and State taxation; (3) the giving to primary producers of special consideration as regards the assessment of income tax, particularly in relation to losses resulting from adverse weather conditions; and (4) the simplification of the duties of taxpayers in relation to returns and in relation to objections and appeals.' </para>
</talk.start>
<interjection>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<party />
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<name role="metadata">RYAN, Thomas</name>
<name role="display">Mr Ryan</name>
</talker>
<para>- That is a sop to prevent further action by the primary producers. </para>
</talk.start>
</interjection>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
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<para>- The honorable member always suggests something sinister in connexion with anything proposed by the Government. The chairman of the Commission will be William Warren Kerr, C.B.E., and the other members, John Joseph Garvan, John Jolly, John Gibson Farleigh, William Thomas Missingham, John Thompson, and Stephen Mills, C.M.G. It will be seen that the Commission is being made as widely representative of all interests as possible. We hope that it will search this question thoroughly with the greatest possible advantage to the taxpayersas a whole. </para>
</talk.start>
</continue>
<interjection>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<electorate />
<party />
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<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="display">Mr Ryan</name>
</talker>
<para>- When is it to report ? </para>
</talk.start>
</interjection>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>FT; ANTI-SOC from 1906; LP from 1910; NAT from 1917</party>
<role>Treasurer</role>
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
</talker>
<para>- I very much regret that we have not been able, as we desired, to secure a representative upon the Commission of organized labour in </para>
</talk.start>
</continue>
<para class="block">Australia. Those representing organized labour were approached, but they refused to take any part in this inquiry. </para>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>CONCILIATION AND ARBITRATION BILL</title>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<type>bill</type>
</debateinfo>
<para>
<inline font-style="italic">In Committee</inline>(Consideration resumed from 2nd September, <inline font-style="italic">vide</inline> page 4187) : </para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>4191</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>K88</name.id>
<electorate>Gwydir</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CUNNINGHAM, Lucien</name>
<name role="display">Mr CUNNINGHAM</name>
</talker>
<para>. - I move - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para class="block">That the following new clause be added: - </para>
<para class="block">The following section is inserted in the principal Act: - " Independent Industrial Inspectors shall be appointed whose duty it shall be to see that the terms of awards are completely and satisfactorily carried out." </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">My object in submitting this proposal is that awards of the Arbitration Court, having all the force of law, are not now properly carried out, because there are no inspectors appointed to see that their terms are observed by employers. This is not a new proposal, because under certain State Arbitration Acts provision is made for the appointment of industrial inspectors, whose duty it is to visit factories and other places in which persons are employed under arbitration awards and see that the terms of the awards are properly observed. It is in the interests of industrial peace that this should be done. If industrial inspectors are appointed, as I desire, their work will do away with a good deal of friction that exists to-day in various industries arising from the fact that the employees have to police the awards themselves. Representatives of labour organizations are thus brought into conflict with employers, and so far from an award of the Arbitration Court being of advantage to them, it is often a source of hardship, because they are penalized for desiring to have the award carried out. </para>
<para>Under existing conditions, there is a feeling of uncertainty because of the inability of employers and employees to- properly interpret the terms of an award. No employer can be expected to properly interpret the terms of an award unless he has an intimate knowledge of the whole case in connexion with which it was made, and knows what the Court aimed at in making it. Employeessuffer because no provision is made for competent inspectors, who will thoroughly understand the terms of an award and be in a position to give a correct interpretation of them. </para>
<para class="block">In the pastoral industry I have known misunderstandings to arise between employers and employees because of a difference of opinion as to the proper interpretation of an award of the Arbitration Court. The pastoralist appeals to the Pastoralists Union and the employees appeal to the Australian Workers Union to know how an award should be interpreted. The organizations, may give different interpretations, because they will consider the award from different points of view. Independent inspectors are needed who, in such cases, may be appealed to for an impartial decision as to what was the intention of the Court in making the award. </para>
<para>To-day, in the pastoral industry, there is a feeling of dissatisfaction amounting almost to disgust at the way in which many of the employers have failed to observe the terms of awards of the Arbitration Court. Embodied in the award affecting the pastoral industry there" is a provision for good and sufficient accommodation for employees. In New South Wales that is taken to mean provision in accordance with the Shearers' Accommodation Act, passed by the State Parliament. The police administer the provisions of that Act, and, as I have mentioned on previous occasions, that is unsatisfactory to the employees for a number of reasons. It should not be the duty of the police to look after these things. They already have too much to do, and the employees in the pastoral industry suffer as a consequence of the false position in which the police are placed with the employers in the industry. To-day the policing of awards of the Federal Arbitration Court has to be carried out by the organized body of unions at a cost of thousands of pounds. It is in the interests of the community generally that this policing of awards should be carried out effectively, and as the awards represent the will of the people as expressed through the Arbitration Court, the community, as a whole, should bear the cost of seeing that they are properly interpreted and observed bv the employers in order that the employees may receive the full benefit which the Arbitration Court intended that they should receive. At present, because of the lack of independent inspectors to see that the terms of awards are properly observed, the employers reap a decided advantage which it was never intended they should be given. Where only five or six men are employed in some remote place, they can secure no redress from their employer as they are not strong enough to go to law with him if the employer put a wrong interpretation on the award. The employees in many of these cases are practically nomads - they may be here to-day and 200 miles away to-morrow, or as soon as employment ceases at the particular place where a dispute may occur. Where small bodies of men are employed at places distant from centres of population they suffer because no one is appointed to police awards of the Arbitration Court. I hope that the Minister in charge of the Bill will accept the proposal I submit, because I am confident that the appointment of independent inspectors would prevent friction and would bring about better understanding between employer and employee. </para>
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<para>. - I cannot see my way to accept the proposed new clause which introduces an innovation into this legislation by seekilj; to build up an army of inspectors throughout the Commonwealth. There is no necessity for such a staff. SectiOn 41 of the Act provides - ' </para>
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<para>The President and every person authorized in writing by the President or Registrar may at any time during working hours enter any building, mine, mine working, ship, vessel, place,- or premises of any kind wherein or in respect to which any industry is carried on or any work is being or has been done or commenced, or any matter or thing is taking or has taken place in relation to which any industrial dispute is pending, or any award has been made or any offence against this Act is suspected, and may, to the extent and for the purposes named in the authority, inspect and view any work, material, machinery, appliances, or article therein. </para>
<para class="block">An amendment which the Committee has already made gives power to inspect also books or documents. Therefore, under existing legislation, any person who wishes to inquire as to the carrying out of an award may get the necessary authority from the President or Registrar, and make an inspection. </para>
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<para>- But he must obtain an authority first. </para>
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<para>- Yes. Why should the honorable member have a right to enter business premises and demand to see the employer's books? </para>
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<para>- I do not wish to do that. I ask for the appointment of inspectors to police the award. </para>
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<para>- But the honorable member said so. There is no necessity for that. </para>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Cunningham.</inline>Why are they appointed under the State laws? </para>
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