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[2011-07-24 21:40:04] stultus where is subin/?
[2011-07-24 21:40:08] rajiv_nair: what do you think what kind of api we want?..
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[2011-07-24 21:40:36] rajiv_nair: I was talking with ashik and we both thought restful API's similar to the Facebook or twitter will be great
[2011-07-24 21:40:42] every please share your thoughts
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[2011-07-24 21:41:47] =-= Topic for #diaspune is ``Ruby on Rails Workshop on Saturday | http://www.meetup.com/Diaspora/Pune/288201/''
[2011-07-24 21:41:47] =-= Topic for #diaspune was set by j4v4m4n on Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:23:41 PM
[2011-07-24 21:42:45] ping.. did i miss anything?
[2011-07-24 21:43:20] vasudev, no
[2011-07-24 21:43:36] so what do you guys have to say about restful api's?
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[2011-07-24 21:45:20] * vasudev wonders if every one is still arround
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[2011-07-24 21:46:47] * j4v4m4n_mobile doesn/lt know what is a restful api, is it normal http get, put etc?
[2011-07-24 21:47:08] j4v4m4n_mobile: yes just by doing http get post put delete
[2011-07-24 21:47:18] we can do what we exactly want
[2011-07-24 21:47:32] response can be in json or in xml but most time i prefer json
[2011-07-24 21:48:02] response means the data which is sent back by diaspora
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[2011-07-24 21:48:33] we may not need data all the time but for some operations like getting profile information getting feeds from your followers
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[2011-07-24 21:48:43] woot ilyaZ joined us
[2011-07-24 21:48:44] hey everyone sorry for the lateness
[2011-07-24 21:48:46] ilyaZ: hello
[2011-07-24 21:48:51] ilyaZ, hellozz :)
[2011-07-24 21:48:56] ilyaZ, hey
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[2011-07-24 21:49:12] rajiv_nair: ping
[2011-07-24 21:49:20] (timezones just trolled me)
[2011-07-24 21:49:22] ilyaz heya
[2011-07-24 21:49:27] hey j4v4m4n_mobile
[2011-07-24 21:49:38] hey vasudev stultus abdulkarim
[2011-07-24 21:50:26] sorry did I miss anything?
[2011-07-24 21:51:17] ilyaZ: nothing much I was just explaining restful api stuff which is provided by facebook and twitter
[2011-07-24 21:51:37] ilyaZ: i think diaspora should also have similar api's but I'm waiting for others suggestions
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[2011-07-24 21:52:40] vasudev, in some ways the rails makes it super easy to have the same api be the same as your controller actions
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[2011-07-24 21:53:50] ilyaZ: novice in rails but yeah i remember a friend mentioning its easy to provide api's using rails
[2011-07-24 21:54:30] we were at first talking about doing that, but we talked to sarah and she had a good point (that by not making it just the same routes, the api can scale differently than the app)
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[2011-07-24 21:55:18] also that way we can version the api
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[2011-07-24 21:56:01] ilyaZ: so you are not using rails method to provide api's?
[2011-07-24 21:56:28] because we need them to be at different actions
[2011-07-24 21:56:53] right now "api/v0" is where the api methods should go
[2011-07-24 21:56:57] ilyaZ: oh
[2011-07-24 21:57:24] ilyaZ: api's are available already?
[2011-07-24 21:58:15] not really, as praveen mentioned earlier we're agile about it
[2011-07-24 21:58:26] i.e. we build apis as they are needed
[2011-07-24 21:58:46] ilyaZ: oh okay..
[2011-07-24 21:59:02] ilyaZ: how about API's for authentication.. is it OAuth based?
[2011-07-24 21:59:45] first step for android app is authentication so I think that is the first API's which we need right?
[2011-07-24 21:59:53] * vasudev wonders why no one is talking!!
[2011-07-24 22:00:10] rajiv_nair: j4v4m4n_mobile ping
[2011-07-24 22:01:08] we have OAuth built in, we do a distributed authentication thing for cubbi.es (automatically does oauth preregistration)
[2011-07-24 22:02:51] ilyaZ: so what is the procedure for authenticating apps with diaspora?
[2011-07-24 22:03:09] hmm.. I think the first step to do something easy/ not distributed
[2011-07-24 22:03:31] (i.e. a user would have to do something to register the client application on their own pod)
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[2011-07-24 22:03:46] ilyaZ: we are directly getting access token for cubbi.es so this is what you meant by preregistration
[2011-07-24 22:03:50] sorry, my mobile got switched off :(
[2011-07-24 22:04:13] j4v4m4n no issues :) reached home?
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[2011-07-24 22:04:43] grippi: heya
[2011-07-24 22:04:56] vasudev: yup
[2011-07-24 22:04:57] Ciao
[2011-07-24 22:04:57] grippi: heya
[2011-07-24 22:04:57] so when you usually do oauth, you go to dev.twitter.com and get application id & secret
[2011-07-24 22:05:08] ilyaZ: yeah
[2011-07-24 22:06:14] ilyaZ: but when it comes to diaspora things are different right because we have different pods!
[2011-07-24 22:06:15] so for apps (at least web apps we automate this preregistration by using keypairs)
[2011-07-24 22:06:23] vasudev, yeah
[2011-07-24 22:07:01] ilyaZ: but if we wanted to change access token then?
[2011-07-24 22:07:17] like in twitter its possible to reset tokens is it possible with preregistration ?
[2011-07-24 22:07:32] Yeah
[2011-07-24 22:07:33] vasudev, you can still reset tokens
[2011-07-24 22:07:39] oh okay
[2011-07-24 22:07:57] Pre-registration is pretty removed from the oauth 2 flow
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[2011-07-24 22:08:23] It's just really a check before we perform oauth
[2011-07-24 22:08:46] so when we develop android app I think distributed nature should be given to client side right.. I mean user can select pod from settings before authenticating
[2011-07-24 22:09:02] Yeah, exactly
[2011-07-24 22:09:10] if not selecting he can enter pod url in the app settings that way things will be simpler to implement on server side
[2011-07-24 22:09:27] What we should do is have the user just sign in using their diaspora id
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[2011-07-24 22:09:50] yeah.. we can get pod url from their diaspora id itself
[2011-07-24 22:10:04] username @ pod_url
[2011-07-24 22:10:12] I think the app should just generate a keypair on boot
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[2011-07-24 22:10:36] We don't need to set a server if someone supplies their entire nick/domain
[2011-07-24 22:10:36] and then use diaspora-connect flow
[2011-07-24 22:10:36] Right
[2011-07-24 22:10:39] (Sorry if I'm slow to type, I'm on a phone)
[2011-07-24 22:10:54] ilyaZ: key pair means token key and token secrets?
[2011-07-24 22:11:07] vasudev, nope an RSA key pair
[2011-07-24 22:11:18] one sec
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[2011-07-24 22:11:38] https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora-client this is the ruby lib that cubbi.es uses to authenticate
[2011-07-24 22:11:44] vasudev: It's very similar to how browser extensions have keys
[2011-07-24 22:12:05] At least with chrome extensions...
[2011-07-24 22:13:05] grippi: i never went through code ;) i blindly used your chrome code in Firefox extension
[2011-07-24 22:13:24] An application uses a key-pair to sign an well-defined authorization challenge.
[2011-07-24 22:13:25] A Diaspora pod fetches the application's manifest and the public key for that application.
[2011-07-24 22:13:25] The pod checks the signature for that manifest and the authorization request.
[2011-07-24 22:13:25] The application's registration credentials are returned to the application (assuming everything checks out).
[2011-07-24 22:13:46] grippi: can you share latest code of firefox extension?. there is still some issue with twitter infinite scroll
[2011-07-24 22:14:15] this is instead of going to dev.twitter.com (because an app developer can't regester at every pod)
[2011-07-24 22:14:36] All the code for it is on the FF addons site
[2011-07-24 22:14:36] (+ pods they don't know about)
[2011-07-24 22:14:54] ilyaZ: oh
[2011-07-24 22:15:15] grippi: okay I'll update my repo once I've a Linux laptop
[2011-07-24 22:15:35] ilyaZ: so this flow is bit different compared to normal Oauth right?
[2011-07-24 22:15:38] vasudev: It shouldn't be messing up twitter...
[2011-07-24 22:15:44] vasudev: Kk
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[2011-07-24 22:15:59] vasudev, after the pre-registration its regular oauth 2 from there
[2011-07-24 22:16:50] so instead of getting key and secret from pod we use key pair instead to sign the authorization challenge and rest of the flow remains same right?
[2011-07-24 22:17:13] and this should happen only once when the app is to be authorized with a pod right?
[2011-07-24 22:17:59] one sec
[2011-07-24 22:18:25] okay
[2011-07-24 22:18:36] * vasudev is getting confused with preregistration stuff
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[2011-07-24 22:19:27] so pre-registration is equivalent to going to dev.twitter.com
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[2011-07-24 22:20:30] * napster sorry for being late!
[2011-07-24 22:20:37] napster, np
[2011-07-24 22:21:07] What is the plan? Just an android client like one for facebook?
[2011-07-24 22:21:13] so when app sends the authorization challenge signed with keypair what is returned to it?
[2011-07-24 22:21:30] vasudev, I need to go check out of the hotel, I'll be back in 15 mins
[2011-07-24 22:21:39] ilyaZ: sure np
[2011-07-24 22:21:45] brb
[2011-07-24 22:21:56] * vasudev want to have a look normal oauth flow again :)
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[2011-07-24 22:22:07] napster: yes
[2011-07-24 22:22:15] napster, yes
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[2011-07-24 22:22:31] napster: vasudev was discussing authentication flow for the app
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[2011-07-24 22:22:48] napster, any other idea in your mind?
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[2011-07-24 22:23:25] back
[2011-07-24 22:23:42] j4v4m4n: I had another idea, since everyone keeps their android phone up and online all over the time, what about setting up pods of their own on their mobiles?
[2011-07-24 22:24:16] the data goes nowhere but stays back on their devices...
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[2011-07-24 22:26:14] napster: that will have more challenges, but that can be a separate project
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[2011-07-24 22:27:59] j4v4m4n: more challenges : yes
[2011-07-24 22:28:29] napster, that sounds like FreedomBox :)
[2011-07-24 22:30:10] abdulkarim: I guess this idea will serve the entire idea behind Diaspora...
[2011-07-24 22:31:02] abdulkarim: freedomebox : yes, a sort of
[2011-07-24 22:31:27] napster: lets try that in parallel to our regular android app
[2011-07-24 22:31:33] j4v4m4n: ok
[2011-07-24 22:32:02] napster: you understand it would take us to reimplment the whole diaspora :( , right?
[2011-07-24 22:32:35] j4v4m4n: need to think more...
[2011-07-24 22:33:11] not sure
[2011-07-24 22:33:39] napster: what were in your mind?
[2011-07-24 22:33:57] napster: get ruby on rails on android?
[2011-07-24 22:34:11] j4v4m4n: http://andrewgertig.com/2010/07/android-and-ruby-on-rails/
[2011-07-24 22:34:44] this is not completly related thing
[2011-07-24 22:34:51] oh, shit
[2011-07-24 22:35:03] My bouncer didn't log...
[2011-07-24 22:35:08] but, I guess, to do it we might need ROR on android
[2011-07-24 22:37:13] now why do we need to run it on a android phone?
[2011-07-24 22:37:36] when there are pods and a diaspora client for mobile phones I think that is more than sufficient right?
[2011-07-24 22:37:43] why to complicate things
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[2011-07-24 22:37:45] vasudev: post the log on the wiki
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[2011-07-24 22:38:01] grippi in multiple instances :)
[2011-07-24 22:38:09] j4v4m4n: please link me
[2011-07-24 22:38:32] Is my chat client going crazy right now?
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[2011-07-24 22:38:48] vasudev: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Android-app-project
[2011-07-24 22:39:18] j4v4m4n: i will be around may be 15-20 mins more then i'll leave as I've got office tomorrow :(
[2011-07-24 22:39:46] vasudev: if you can post the log, may be napster can take it from here
[2011-07-24 22:40:08] j4v4m4n: yeah i'm doing that now
[2011-07-24 22:40:15] vasudev: thanks
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[2011-07-24 22:40:34] j4v4m4n: no issues
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[2011-07-24 22:40:53] grippi: we saw you entering room multiple times :) but now only one instance is there
[2011-07-24 22:41:03] K phew
[2011-07-24 22:41:35] grippi: iPhone or Android ?
[2011-07-24 22:43:34] j4v4m4n: What are the expected funtionalioties apart from a normal facebook like client?
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[2011-07-24 22:43:58] back
[2011-07-24 22:44:04] hi ilyaZ :)
[2011-07-24 22:44:16] hey DenSchub
[2011-07-24 22:44:44] vasudev, are you still here?
[2011-07-24 22:44:49] ilyaZ: welcome back
[2011-07-24 22:44:53] ilyaZ: yeah :)
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[2011-07-24 22:46:21] [INFO] will now open at startup.
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[2011-07-24 22:47:20] napster: post and read messages, view and share pictures, share links from browser - normal facebook client functionality
[2011-07-24 22:47:55] ilyaZ: Shravan was supposed to join, but he is down with fever :(
[2011-07-24 22:48:21] yeah, photos are the awesome thing
[2011-07-24 22:48:31] j4v4m4n: chatzilla is not allowing me to open log when its in running mode
vasudev: :( [22:49]
j4v4m4n: no opened it up using notepad now adding it to wiki page
[22:50]
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so I'm [22:52]
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vasudev: lets start with an app that authenticates and gets the
stream onto the phone
ilyaZ: coming back to preregistration stuff.. in twitter case we are
using token secret and key first time to get back access key and
token which is then used to sign the messages which go to twitter
how this happens in case of diaspora?
we use the key pair to sign a challange [22:53]
if the signature verifies
the app gets app id and secret( this is eqivalent to going to
dev.twitter.com)
ilyaZ: how does server verify the signed challenge? do we need to
share the key pair with pod? [22:54]
thouse are just oauth2 cread
**credentials
@all I've updated the logs in the wiki
it goes to app.com/manifest.json
http://www.cubbi.es/manifest.json [22:55]
ilyaZ: does app id conatain name of pod which issued it? [22:56]
that's the key + signed (and encoded) manifest
ilyaZ: from where do we generate this file?
app need to register in the pod?
j4v4m4n, nope (are you asking for collision reasons?) [22:57]
it's diaspora-client
there is a task generate_manifest
ilyaZ: how do another pod verify it? [22:58]
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https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora-client/blob/master/lib/tasks/diaspora-client.rake
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ilyaZ: grippi j4v4m4n its time for me to hit the bed.. I wish I
could continue :(
j4v4m4n: please share the logs I'll catch up with your discussion
tomorrow
vasudev: lets start with an app that authenticate first and then
move on to more features [23:00]
vasudev: thanks, good night
my roomate has a begining
let me find a link
j4v4m4n: i still need some more information.. do we have any mailing
list where we can do offline discussion
diaspora-dev [23:01]
vasudev: google groups
j4v4m4n: sure thanks
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https://github.com/gardner/diaspora-android
ilyaZ: grippi j4v4m4n good night then
vasudev, good night
vasudev, good night :)
stultus: good night
hello? [23:02]
grippi: :)
vasudev, and diaspune mailing list :)
grippi: time for me to leave.. Good night..
https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/blob/master/app/controllers/authorizations_controller.rb#L25
stultus: please mail me the links
is where the verification happens
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ilyaZ: thanks [23:03]
there is a video of us talking about this at campus party
ERC> /names [23:04]
*** Users on #diaspune: grippi stultus ilyaZ shilpi j4v4m4n onthelivelyside
sudiptamondal1 sana manojkmohan DenSchub abdulkarim rajiv_nair @ChanServ
we haven't actually seen it (so hopefully there is nothing embarassing
) once we watch it we'll post it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc2-Lnzm9bI
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ilyaZ: :)
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ilyaZ: since all android folks are gone now, lets continue the
discussion on list [23:05]
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j4v4m4n, kk
ilyaZ: grippi thanks for coming!
grippi: we will continue it on diaspora-dev
j4v4m4n, thanks for throwing out a time, again sorry for being missing
in action with this conference
ERC>