Issue translating author delimiter in associacao-brasileira-de-normas-tecnicas-ipea.csl

[baarthur]

Hey there,

It seems like the Ipea CSL style doesn't translate correctly the author delimiter, since it uses " e " instead of " and " even if I change the language to English (US). However, I couldn't find any " e " connector in the .csl file to edit it.

As you can see by the zotero preview, the style still uses the Portuguese "e" instead of the English "and".

I am not very expert in .csl, could you help me with this one?

Here's the author macro: weirdly enough, there's no " e " connector but still it appears there, maybe it's inherited from the main ABNT style?

<!--A macro 'author' e responsavel por mostrar os nomes dos autores na bibliografia, serao no formato SOBRENOME, INICIAIS PRENOMES, tendo 
      as inicias separadas por ponto. Quando houver mais de tres autores, somente o primeiro sera mostrado e no lugar dos outros
      aparecera a expess o 'et. al.'. Na regra da ABNT essa expressao deve aparecer em fonte normal, mas o IPEA utiliza ela em italico.-->
  <macro name="author">
    <names variable="author">
      <name name-as-sort-order="all" sort-separator=", " initialize-with=". " delimiter="; " delimiter-precedes-last="always">
        <name-part name="family" text-case="uppercase"/>
        <name-part name="given" text-case="uppercase"/>
      </name>
      <et-al font-style="italic"/>
      <label form="short" prefix=" (" suffix=".)" text-case="uppercase"/>
      <substitute>
        <names variable="editor"/>
        <names variable="translator"/>
        <text macro="title"/>
      </substitute>
    </names>
  </macro>

[POBrien333]

The author macro has nothing to do with this.
The style is hardcoded to be in portuguese.
You either switch the language in line 2 to English, like so: default-locale="en-GB"
Or redefine the term in the locale section, but I don't think you want that.

[baarthur]

hey Brien, thanks for the reply. I thought the " e " connector was supposed to be on the author area. But I don't understand why I would need to switch the default language in the .csl, since I define it as en-US in my .tex and other Brazilian citation styles automatically change from " e " to " and "

[bwiernik]

TeX doesn't use CSL styles at all. They are completely different systems.

If you use the citeproc-lua package or write your document with pandoc, you can use CSL styles. But otherwise TeX has nothing to do with CSL, and BibTeX/BibLaTeX styles work very differently than CSL styles.

[baarthur]

Ohh okay, got it! Yeah, I use Quarto, which uses pandoc under the hood and I include .tex files for additional parameters.

[bwiernik]

Pandoc generates its citations before passing the document to TeX, so anything that affects citation formatting will be done on the CSL side not the TeX side.