F8 Community Governance Oversight Meeting 3 - Thursday 22nd September 2022 - 1400 UTC #109
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Agenda - F8 Community Governance Oversight Meeting #4
Scheduled date/time of meeting : 1400 UTC, Thursday, 22nd Sept 2022
Present:
Information
Proposed Agenda
Matters arising/action points
New documentation process - has been discussed in Discord, so checking - are there any objections? - no objections
Adding something to F9 IOG survey (Phil) - is this in progress? Any updates? - not happening
We should have received final F7 payment last week - did we? - and we agreed to pilot Phil’s community redistribution model for the “deliverables” portion of that - updates? how do we initiate that? - have side meeting to discuss further - Phil K
Vani was supposed to share the Parameters reporting google form in Discord - didn’t, sorry - it’s here https://forms.gle/EtxhcmnJUv7nP1KB9 and is on agenda
We said 2 meetings ago that we would follow up with Harris after F7 parameter changes meeting. Haven’t yet. It’s on agenda.
In last meeting there was some confusion over payment for writing future CGO proposal. List of outstanding items said “payment for writing F9 proposal” and ofc there isn’t an F9 proposal, but I believe it should have said “payment for writing F10 proposal”. Correct?Are we planning to submit something for F10 if there’s a suitable challenge? If yes, we can keep it on agenda and in budget plan.
Yes - allocate to F10 CGO proposal and discuss async
CGO Treasury
Andre & Miroslav - after what has been paid, what is left?.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v8EySgaWqoYlOVxHAjKKufj24x8CPn-no33EUPZP8sw/edit?usp=sharing
Last meeting we said we’ll receive 6860 $ on Mon; will pay all TH slides and project management, and pay Treasury management in full. Yes received and paid
Items left to pay for CGO 8 should therefore be: (Reports, Retros, Surveys) = “Deliverables”; Prep of F10 proposal (agreed); closing report.
F7 proposal final payment - deliverables, close out report and project management are still to be paid? (Treasury management?) - No objections - Treasury $1000 - PM $2000 - Remainder to use Phil K system
Town Hall Slides
Allison - Updates on Town Hall Slides
#87
NB Suggestion last meeting was to use CGO TH slides and newsletter to help inform people about CCv4 election, as soon as we know details.
Next slides - advertise dRep white paper!
CGO Project Board Review
Board:
https://github.com/orgs/Catalyst-Auditing/projects/3/views/1
F8 CGO Scope & Deliverables
5.1 Challenge Setting
What is the scope of F8 Challenge Setting oversight ?
Issue :
#88
George’s Meeting w Kriss on Fri postponed. Any updates? Tomorrow
We planned to decide details of this deliverable after George’s meeting with Kriss. Still sticking to that?
What has the community understanding and debate been?
Intent (what people thought the intent was) vs what was achieved- this is for an F10 CGo proposal really tho, cos we won’t know until after end of this proposal’s work
Recent after town hall - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt0Efbtngnc
1:07 - Talks about categorisation
1:23 - Kriss talks about issues with challenge settings & initial thoughts for next steps
5.2 Catalyst Circle Oversight
What is the scope of F8 Catalyst Circle Oversight ?
Issue :
#89
Issue raised in a recent CCv3 meeting- if Circle are paid via a parameter change, they will need to log what they do. Felix has approached CGO for any input we might have on how this could be done. Is this in scope for CGO’s oversight of Circle? If yes, do we have capacity?
capacity issues - so probably not
is it something CGO should do?
we could look at what they propose, rather than trying to steer it
CC Admin as was (Gov Services Guild) - we don’t want to step on their toes
if they need help to have oversight, we could advise them with the knowledge we have.
Looking at whether they are followinmg their plan or not. We (CGO) should oversee; CC Admin should design and plan. If we have oversight, we canot be the ones who design the process. (Thorsten)
We should be looking at “how do we make decisions (Phil) Decision making models.
Voltaire principles, and is what they are doing in line with it? and “Circle - what are you trying to do?”
Issue that Circle decides how to verify its own process…
we shouldn’t get invoved (Matthias) - Working group is OK but they’re not legitimate as Circle - doing oversight for them gives them legitimacy
Shoulkd our Circle oversight for F8 include writing up the isues that we think have been problematic re legitimacy
How will we maintain oversight of the election process and results - what data will we collect?
Who will gather oversight info on how the election was designed and structured? (Vani has some, via Circle oversight)
What is the overlap between Circle oversight and “parameter changes”?
5.3 d-Reps
Kenric/Thorsten/Stephen, quick update?
Set a stage of educating to understand dReps and open up more discussion for further details and experiments
Ask IOG to notify dReps -
Thorsten to book Gimbalabs playground session
Take to Africa Town Hall and/or ETH as well - Thorsten / Stephen
submit an Oversight challenge for F11?
F10 - dRep Oversight proposal - aimed at accountability
F10 - dRep White Paper continuation - in CGO F10 or seperate proposal
5.4 Governance parameters
What is the scope of F8 Governance parameters ?
Issue : #90
Parameter changes register - can we launch it? Via this form? Yes https://forms.gle/EtxhcmnJUv7nP1KB9 And shall we share the spreadsheet (view only) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BixYPVfyWSYIRhNK2qaRDwebZk-oCpkxfitE_U2TBL0/edit?usp=sharing until such time as we have a platform? Show this later - following week
Quick update from Andre/Phil on the platform they are developing
Next steps - can we agree which of these we will do, prioritise, and say who will do them?
Selecting which parameters to focus on?
Researching any details of the selected parameters that we still do not know?
Following up with Harris after the F7 meeting on details of IOG’s current process?
Defining broad categories of parameters?
Suggesting a process that IOG or anyone else should follow to launch a parameter change?
Suggesting how to determine what is sufficient community consultation?
decision-making tree (is decision urgent, etc) using info from Jeremy’s Miro https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVOsELu0U=/ - to categorize parameters
CGO Proposal Reporting
F7 CGO Proposal Reporting - can we take this standing item off the agenda now F7 is complete?
#91
Yes - Stephen W
F8 CGO Proposal Reporting
#92
F10 proposal?
If we are doing one, who will work on it? Convene a side meeting once we know voting results and what challenges there are?
Summary of CGO meeting for Catalyst Weekly Newsletter
Danny’s away for a couple of weeks so there will not be a newsletter.
So Kriss Bard is not stepping up ? ;)
AOB?
Divert part of budget - either F7 or F8 - for continued meetings after end of F8?
Keep it on a project basis (Kenric)
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