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Person name structure in JMnedict #30

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JMdictProject opened this issue May 20, 2021 · 8 comments
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Person name structure in JMnedict #30

JMdictProject opened this issue May 20, 2021 · 8 comments

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@JMdictProject
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I would like to propose the following structure for person names in the names dictionary:

(a) for entries consisting of the surname alone, having the general surname as the first sense, and specific people of that name following in separate senses, For example:
バッハ
[surname] Bach
[person] Bach, Johann Sebastian (1685-1750), German composer
[person] Bach, Carl Philipp Emanuel (1714-88), German composer
[...]

Our current ブルックナー entry, which has "[surname] Bruckner (19th-century Austrian composer)" would become:
ブルックナー
[surname] Bruckner
[person] Bruckner, Anton (1824-96), Austrian composer

(b) for entries consisting of both given and family names, we would use the Japanese transliterations with and without nakaguro and the basic name, date, etc. information, e.g.
ヨハンゼバスティアンバッハ; ヨハン・ゼバスティアン・バッハ
[person] Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750), German composer

At some stage, it would be good to get cross-references sorted out in the names dictionary, but one step at a time.

@Marcusjmdict
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I missed this thread but since a couple of years back, and as I suggested recently in the イチロー entry here https://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/entr.py?svc=jmdict&sid=&e=2147607, my preference is for

ヨハンゼバスティアンバッハ; ヨハン・ゼバスティアン・バッハ
[person] Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750; German composer)
(the semi-colon needs to be escaped with a \ of course)

and

バッハ
[surname] Bach
[person] Bach, Johann Sebastian (1685-1750; German composer)

@JMdictProject
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I'm comfortable with that. Let's do it that way.

@birtles
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birtles commented Nov 4, 2021

It would be good to standardise the date formats too. Currently we have:

yyyy.m(.d):

  • Taro Kono (1963.1.10-; Japanese politician)
  • Oota Hikari (1965.5.13-)
  • Edano Yukio (1964.5-)

m.d.yyyy:

  • Kei Komuro (10.5.1991-; lawyer who married Princess Mako)
  • Mako Komuro (10.31.1991-; former imperial princess)

@Marcusjmdict
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Marcusjmdict commented Nov 4, 2021

That's my bad, the Komuros being nonstandard. I'll fix them. yyyy.m.d is our standard.

@JMdictProject
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I fixed a few more.

@birtles
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birtles commented Nov 10, 2021

That's my bad, the Komuros being nonstandard. I'll fix them. yyyy.m.d is our standard.

@Marcusjmdict it looks like we now have Mako Komuro (1991.31.10-; former imperial princess) , i.e. yyyy.d.m.

(Also, I notice we're inconsistent about whether we use mm vs m. e.g. we have Yūki Tsunoda (2000.05.11-; racing driver) with the zero-padded 05 but most other places we don't zero-pad, e.g. Keiko Komuro (1972.8.18-). I think we generally don't zero pad but I notice a few other exceptions like Vincent van Gogh (1853.03.30-1890.07.29) where we do.)

@JMdictProject
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Thanks. I fixed the 旧姫 entry. I don't think the zero-padding is needed. There are about 20 entries with it but it's hardly worth the effort fixing them.

@birtles
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birtles commented Nov 10, 2021

Thanks. I fixed the 旧姫 entry. I don't think the zero-padding is needed. There are about 20 entries with it but it's hardly worth the effort fixing them.

Thank you! (I submitted an update for Kei too.)
Yes, I agree about the zero padding not being worth the trouble.

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