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Currently, the status quo, military occupation, and embrace pluralism conditions are fairly messy.
I will make a quick chart of how i think this should work:
big hungary stays
killed hungary and occupied
killed hungary and released
Invite only hungary
status quo
military occupation
shouldn't allow
Invite all kingdom/ethnicity
status quo
military occupation
embrace pluralism
Or the fates of hungary:
status quo
embrace pluralism
military occupation
🇦🇹 🎌 🇭🇺
🇦🇹 ⚔️ 🇭🇺 and released
🇦🇹 ⚔️ 🇭🇺 and not released
The status of the other kingdoms should not affect the path choice, as status quo austria has that 15-cost focus that cores other puppets if Austria offered secret deal.
For another potential ausgleich scenario where austria allows hungary to demand from illyria (but no secret deal), in my opinion, if austria fights on illyria's side against hungary than staying neutral, austria violates its promise and should still go military occupation. I wonder what the original intent is, and need explanation in this case most likely.
Describe the change you would like
Notice: these changes should be discussed before they are ever implemented. A review on ausgleich scenarios should be required.
Only allow hungary (slovakia/transylvania) release if the ausgleich invited all kingdoms or all ethnicities. Otherwise attack on hungary is really a show of military (no reason for any "reform" as said in option text, and no reason to release slovakia/transylvania) and should always count toward military occupation (currently only betrayal to secret deal is counted)
Allow going Status Quo as long as big old hungary is there (remove checks on state ownership). Current setup prevents going status quo as it doesn't allow you to hold puppet land, such as bohemia, you get from defeating revolt puppets from secret deal.
Does not allow going Status Quo when Austria holds land it doesn't have claim/core while hungary has. This way prevents Austria from going Status Quo within that time window for the fate of illyria
Require hungary to not exist for military occupation (remove checks on state ownership) as that's what the news event says
Maybe add a flag for hungary's internal events, only allow going status quo when big hungary has no internal demonstrations/have demonstrations all quelled without austria kick-in
Additional context or comments
In the news for military occupation, it indicates that hungary is no longer there when austria does military occupation focus. So that's a good reference.
If this plan is implemented, it may potentially fix #10366
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During the Austro-Hungarian Ausgleich of 1937, the Austrian delegates promised their Hungarian counterpart that the historic Kingdom of Croatia - added to the newly created Kingdom of Illyria a decade ago - would be returned to the Transleithian half of the Empire. The Hungarians soon demanded that Vienna fulfill their end of the bargain, but the Imperial Government unexpectedly refused. The angered Hungarians attempted to retake Croatia-Slavonia by force, but were rebuffed by the Illyrian troops. Now Austria has entered the conflict in favor of the Illyrians, vowing to end Hungary’s delusions of mastery over the Empire.
Is this supposed to go status quo, pluralism, or military occupation afterwards?
With issue 10366 fixed, I don't really see the point in implementing this honestly. The chain works fine as is and while the requirements are a bit messy, they are clear and relatively straightforward. Since the rework gets rid of the chain entirely, it's not worth the effort in my opinion.
As for the war over Illyria, it really can go any way depending on how Austria deals with Hungary at the end.
My main concern is that the current setup in 0.14.2 prevents austria from going status quo after doing the secret deal: it goes military occupation and cannot core those lands with the status quo focus.
Quick questions
HOI4 version: 1.9.3
Kaiserreich version: 0.14.2
Reasoning
Currently, the status quo, military occupation, and embrace pluralism conditions are fairly messy.
I will make a quick chart of how i think this should work:
Or the fates of hungary:
The status of the other kingdoms should not affect the path choice, as status quo austria has that 15-cost focus that cores other puppets if Austria offered secret deal.
For another potential ausgleich scenario where austria allows hungary to demand from illyria (but no secret deal), in my opinion, if austria fights on illyria's side against hungary than staying neutral, austria violates its promise and should still go military occupation. I wonder what the original intent is, and need explanation in this case most likely.
Describe the change you would like
Notice: these changes should be discussed before they are ever implemented. A review on ausgleich scenarios should be required.
Additional context or comments
In the news for military occupation, it indicates that hungary is no longer there when austria does military occupation focus. So that's a good reference.
If this plan is implemented, it may potentially fix #10366
The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: