Content - Track funded proposals milestones #66
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This is a part of a bigger plan to track proposal. Something to explore once we are funded. Thank you for your input. |
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FrancoAra's idea/proposal is a separate initiative to perform a separate function. Endorsed by IOG as such (in the linked TH segment). It is not and should not be linked with another proposal intended for a different (limited) purpose. The "Track funded proposals milestones" should continue as an initiative on its own, not prematurely subsumed under the landing page initiative. The comment that, "This is part of a bigger plan to track proposal. Something to explore once we are funded" is misleading (maybe seen as presumptuous at best - empire-building at worst). Implying, by way of GitHub comment, that the FrancoAra proposal is already fait accompli subsumed into a be-all, do-all functionality under the landing page team (essentially one person's management). That is certainly mission creep. No, for now this is a separate proposal. Unrelated to the Landing Page f4 or Community website f5 proposals. It is incorrect to suggest otherwise. If, over time, the community wants to put all information under the control of a very limited group, so be it. But for now, allow each idea, initiative to seek its own identity, personality. In theory, diversity of ideas and opinions will deliver a better solution than ideas generated by a very small group. On its own, that landing site proposal has problems which should not encumber FrancoAra's idea. Some examples may illustrate those problems. The recent comment refers to a "bigger plan" and "if we are funded." Whose "Bigger Plan"? If the "Bigger Plan" and "We" refers to a Project Catalyst landing page, the original idea was great! That "landing page" (now a website) was commissioned with the limited imprimatur to provide information relating to "on-boarding" newcomers. The proposal describes the site as cardanocataly.st Community Page A central place for new and existing community members of Project Catalyst to find information, make connections, obtain guides." That's all. Keep it as that limited scope. Holding general information about Catalyst is one thing. Aggressively concentrating project proposal information becomes a bit like google or facebook with respect to data. Already there are many potential issues with an external group owning access to community information. For example. Ownership of the domain cardanocataly.st is hidden. Domain Name: cardanocataly.st Registrar: ST Registry Name Server: junade.ns.cloudflare.com If the f4 and f5 proposals are not funded, what will happen to access to the website? Already there are multiple links to this website, within the official Cardano information resources. Mis-informaation can be injected by "never-cardano" elements, which we know exist. The f4 proposal was submitted by 4 persons, requesting $10,000. The f5 landing page proposal is submitted by 3 persons. With the Lead developers having left the team, f5 is a team of two technical, one managerial. Is that team already (or does it plan to become) a corporate entity? If so, in what jurisdiction? The proposal envisions:'employing a librarian for 3 months," "engaging a team of design consultants" and paying bounties. What happens at the end of 3 months? Surely there will be a follow on proposal, but not mentioned. If that proposal is not funded what happens to the admin passwords for the site? Will the site be abandoned? What happens to the domain name ownership? Or is the community locked into supporting the site forever? The f4 proposal requested $8,000 for bounties and $2000 for work already done by 4 community members (work done initially as volunteers). f5 proposal is asking to fund a manager ($2,000), a librarian ($6,000) and to "engage" a team of design consultants ($3,000). Plus pay bounties ($10,000). For a total of $21,000. If both proposals are funded are the bounties doubled? The proposal mentions translators for several languages, is there a cost? Are "we" (the team requesting funds for the landing page) an entity? Who will "employ" the librarian? Who will actually distribute (pay) bounties? At what rate? For what purpose? Salaries and bounties will paid from what jurisdiction? (One team member is domiciled in Russia, one in Estonia and the third in Poland.) A steering committee is mentioned. Seemingly the three persons making the proposal. Are others invited to join the steering committee? These and other issues are illustrative of reasons why it may not be wise for the community to put all its eggs in one basket. |
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Thank you Len for your comments. The premise of your argument is based on a flawed understanding. "Already there are many potential issues with an external group owning access to community information." I totally agree. However this is not what is happening in regards with this community site. The information is freely available for people and the community to do with as they wish - the information is free and open and available. This site is an informational community site and it is the way we think the information can best be compiled and presented to the community. There is nothing stopping anyone from accessing and presenting information in whatever way they wish. Look to https://projectcatalyst.org/ as an example. There is many points you bring up and instead of addressing them in words we will address them in deeds. I also look forward to seeing how others in the community choose to present it. |
In the last Town hall there was the question "Is there a website to track the milestones of funded proposals?" and Dor commented that this would be a perfect community contribution ( https://youtu.be/Pjg_u7Oeel0?t=5546 ) and that IdeaScale would gladly feed the data. I was thinking of doing a separate website, but maybe this place is already the perfect place to setup a "funded projects tracker". I would like to help (I am a developer myself) if you guys like the idea.
I think there are several massive advantages to this feature, it would bring massive amounts of transparency, checks to the funded projects, and the internal and external communities could get excited about what is going on in Cardano Catalyst.
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