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Tiro Bangla has interchanged two ligatures হ্ণ হ্ন #30
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Thank you for posting this issue. It is interesting to me that various fonts from different foundries are switching these forms: that suggests either that they are all using the same reference, or that there has been a history of variation in the use of these forms. I will investigate further. |
Agreed. It could also be an oversight since ণ and ন look so similar and sound similar as well. And for those who use bengali script for bengali language these differences don't matter (just as the differences between স, ষ and শ are only a formality), but for those who use bengali script for sanskrit language these small details can make a difference... Nowadays very few people use bengali for sanskrit -- so not unusual that this happens... |
Thank you. That is a helpful additional insight. On the subject, I am very interested in learning more about Sanskrit in Bengali script. Our Bengali fonts use a set of conjunct ligatures that are based on attested Bengali language conjuncts plus a smallish set that our newspaper clients have requested over the years for transcribing foreign loan words. I have a well-documented set of Sanskrit conjuncts, which are implemented in our Tiro Devanagari Sanskrit font, but I have no idea how most of these might have been written in Bengali script: at present, the Tiro Bangla font will display many of them with an explicit virama mark, which doesn’t seem very elegant. I am thinking that in the manuscript tradition there must be examples of conjunct ligatures in Sanskrit words that are not attested in Bengali language, and hence not found in typefaces. I would very much like to start documenting such forms, with the ultimate goal of extending the Tiro Bangla ligature set, or making a dedicated Tiro Bangla Sanskrit font if there turn out to be significant differences in preferred style or forms. |
That would be laudable! Could you please attach here a list of the conjuncts that Tiro Bangla currently has? I could try to help you with the documentation by posting the other conjuncts that haven't been included yet from sanskrit literature in bengali script... |
[I will open a separate issue re. Bengali conjuncts.] |
I agree there needs to be further research on this. |
True... will need to research more ... Is it due to editorial preferences? A book published in 2021 has it the other way: And so does Mahabharata published in 1862: https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Mah%C4%81bh%C4%81rata/VSxLAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 And in "A Bengali Grammar" by Dr. Yates and Dr. Wenger (1885) there is this table on page 11: |
Can you mention the year in which this copy of the book was reprinted? In this copy of the book from 1864 In an other edition from 1863, there is hṇa, but no example for hna |
I conducted an informal poll of Bangla readers on Twitter: While there is evidence of some difference of opinion and hence reading preference, the majority of respondents (61.5%) identified this shape As the illustrations in this thread indicate, disagreement about this is not something new. At this time, I am not taking any action on this issue, in terms of the shaping of these conjuncts, or the shape of the default glyphs used for either. However, I have designed variant outlines for the /bHNna/ ligature glyph (and also for the /bKSsNna/ glyph), with shapes that are more obviously –Nna. I will enable these as Stylistic Set (ss03) variants in the next update to the fonts, and if someone wanted to they could fork the fonts to make these the default forms. |
Now testable with |
In bengali, হ্ + ণ = U+09B9 U+09CD U+09A3 should be
![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/16919364/180649769-72ee35a3-4427-46bb-b639-5fce86f84642.png)
![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/16919364/180649785-946bb90f-daf1-4f6c-91c9-cfa22fe57c89.png)
and হ্ + ন = U+09B9 U+09CD U+09A8 should be
but the font now shows the opposite.
Adobe Bengali, Galada and Atma fonts have got it right but others have got them wrong.
![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/16919364/180649816-f747e53f-0db1-495c-9dd4-e0dce08943c8.png)
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