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Make hints consistent #179

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horwitz opened this issue Nov 23, 2019 · 7 comments · Fixed by #190
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Make hints consistent #179

horwitz opened this issue Nov 23, 2019 · 7 comments · Fixed by #190
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horwitz commented Nov 23, 2019

Half of the 10 hints area already simply the entity's polity—this issue suggests making all 10 of the same form, specifically:

Country               | Capital     | Capital hint (OLD)      | Capital hint (NEW)
----------------------+-------------+-------------------------+---------------------
Guadeloupe            | Basse-Terre | Not a sovereign country | Overseas department
Saint Kitts and Nevis | Basseterre  | Sovereign country       | Sovereign country
Cayman Islands        | George Town | Two-word country name   | Overseas territory
Guyana                | Georgetown  | One-word country name   | Sovereign country
Jamaica               | Kingston    | Caribbean               | Sovereign country
Norfolk Island        | Kingston    | Oceania                 | External territory
England               | London      | Constituent country     | Constituent country
United Kingdom        | London      | Sovereign country       | Sovereign country
Aruba                 | Oranjestad  | Constituent country     | Constituent country
Sint Eustatius        | Oranjestad  | Special municipality    | Special municipality

(The table above only covers the English version, of course.)

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axelboc commented Nov 23, 2019

It did cross my mind when I reviewed the French translation. Makes sense to me 👍

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axelboc commented Dec 15, 2019

@aplaice raises some very good points. I agree that "Sovereign Country"/"Not a sovereign country" reveals less information than the exact polity. I wish there were a simpler term we could use instead of "Not a sovereign country", but there doesn't seem to be...

Another option I thought of after reading @aplaice's comment was to have hints of the form: Two cards share this capital, thus inviting the user to name both. The problem is that Basse-Terre and Basseterre, as well as George Town and Georgetown aren't spelt the same, and naming both cards would not help knowing which capital belongs to which... So it would only really work for Kingston, London and Oranjestad.

All in all, I suggest only replacing the hints for Georgetown/George Town and Kingston with "Sovereign Country"/"Not a sovereign country" as @aplaice suggested in #190.

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horwitz commented Dec 15, 2019

What about London, England, going from "Constituent country" to "Not a sovereign country" (and London, United Kingdom, staying as "Sovereign country")?

Currently:
London, England = "Constituent country"
London, United Kingdom = "Sovereign country"

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aplaice commented Dec 16, 2019

What about London, England, going from "Constituent country" to "Not a sovereign country" (and London, United Kingdom, staying as "Sovereign country")?

Yes, that totally works, at least in the English and Norwegian versions of the deck! (In my comment on the pull request, I had mistakenly written that London formed a triad (England/UK/British Indian Ocean Territory), but that's only the case in the French and German versions of the decks, not the main/English one. Sorry for the terrible brain-fart!)

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horwitz commented Dec 16, 2019

Excellent—I've updated #190 to have the capital hints changed for 5 "country"s (including England).

Any reason the FR and DE decks have a different capital for BIOT than the EN and NB decks?

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aplaice commented Dec 16, 2019

It's because the German Wikipedia article for the BIOT lists London as its capital:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britisches_Territorium_im_Indischen_Ozean

(while the English one lists "Camp Justice" as the capital, and in general we try not to deviate from the respective languages' Wikipedia articles, even when the different languages don't actually agree with each other...)

As for the French deck, I'm not actually sure — the French Wikipedia article lists the BIOT as having no capital:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territoire_britannique_de_l%27oc%C3%A9an_Indien

It might make sense to simply remove the capital for the BIOT in French. (In which case the French capital hint for England could also be "Pas une nation souveraine".)

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axelboc commented Dec 17, 2019

I'm on board with removing the capital for BIOT in French. This means the hint can go as well, since it's only used on the country/capital templates. I'll open a separate issue, though.

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