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REQUEST: Time to support DVB-S2X ? #1063

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lars18th opened this issue Feb 22, 2023 · 20 comments
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REQUEST: Time to support DVB-S2X ? #1063

lars18th opened this issue Feb 22, 2023 · 20 comments

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@lars18th
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lars18th commented Feb 22, 2023 •
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Hi @catalinii ,

After reading the issue #978 I feel it's time to add support for DVB-S2X. I've started checking the 19.2E 11008.50V DVB-S2X QPSK 22000 11/20 transponder. My first try is with this URL:
http://192.168.1.133:8080/?freq=11008&src=1&pol=v&msys=dvbs2x&mtype=qpsk&sr=22000&pids=0,1,16,17,18

However it doesn't work. The target is a Edision OS nino pro with a DVB-S2X tuner running the last version of minisatip.

Acording to the documentation:
https://dvb.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/A179_Service-discovery-and-delivery-protocols-for-a-DVB-Home-Broadcast-system_Feb-2021.pdf
the URL is valid (check page 37).

At time I don't recommend to support something complex impossible to test it (for example bonding support tunning multiple frequencies at the same time). However, as we have some transponders to test it I suggest to try to add some basic tunning support.

You agree?

Note: Another transponder for testing is: 13E 11200V DVB-S2X 16APSK 34290 32/45.
@catalinii
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I think it is perfectly fine to support dvb-s2x. I just do not have the hardware for it.

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lars18th commented Feb 22, 2023 •
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I think it is perfectly fine to support dvb-s2x. I just do not have the hardware for it.

Opps, sorry! In my case I've one Edision OS Nino pro (second hand) with a compatible DVB-S2X tuner. I feel it's the cheaper option to have a compatible S2X tuner in a Linux box. Anyway, if you will start some implementation for it, I can check it.

Regards.

Note: Perhaps the best is to try to start adding support for this tunning mode in the satipc module. I'll try to find one SAT>IP server compatible for initial tests. In any case, for the SAT>IP client side perhaps the code could start parsing the new msys mode and the optional parameters. What you think?

@catalinii
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I can try to work on it, but I think I will need remote access to the box.Otherwise it will be a lot of back and forth with a long development time.

@Yuri666
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Yuri666 commented Feb 22, 2023

Seems also needs support in dvb drivers, but isn't:
https://github.com/Duckbox-Developers/buildsystem-ddt/blob/master/patches/armbox/vuplus_common/3_14_dvbs2x.patch

@lars18th
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Hi @Yuri666 ,

Seems also needs support in dvb drivers, but isn't: https://github.com/Duckbox-Developers/buildsystem-ddt/blob/master/patches/armbox/vuplus_common/3_14_dvbs2x.patch

So first we need to found almost one Linux box with valid drivers capable of tuning one of the available DVB-S2X transponders. You have some idea?

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Yuri666 commented Feb 22, 2023

Ok, I have x86 linux box with dvb-s2x card and dish to 13E :)

@lars18th
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Ok, I have x86 linux box with dvb-s2x card and dish to 13E :)

Therefore, please could you try to tune 13E 11200V DVB-S2X 16APSK 34290 32/45 with some linux tool and share with us the results?

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Yuri666 commented Feb 22, 2023

I don't see in my dvb card frontend driver code fec=32/45, why needs try to tune? It won't work
static struct tas2101_modfec tas2101_modfec_modes[] = { { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_AUTO }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_1_2 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_2_3 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_3_4 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_4_5 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_5_6 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_6_7 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_7_8 }, { SYS_DVBS, QPSK, FEC_8_9 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_1_2 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_3_5 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_2_3 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_3_4 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_4_5 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_5_6 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_8_9 }, { SYS_DVBS2, QPSK, FEC_9_10 }, { SYS_DVBS2, PSK_8, FEC_3_5 }, { SYS_DVBS2, PSK_8, FEC_2_3 }, { SYS_DVBS2, PSK_8, FEC_3_4 }, { SYS_DVBS2, PSK_8, FEC_5_6 }, { SYS_DVBS2, PSK_8, FEC_8_9 }, { SYS_DVBS2, PSK_8, FEC_9_10 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_16, FEC_2_3 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_16, FEC_3_4 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_16, FEC_4_5 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_16, FEC_5_6 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_16, FEC_8_9 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_16, FEC_9_10 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_32, FEC_3_4 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_32, FEC_4_5 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_32, FEC_5_6 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_32, FEC_8_9 }, { SYS_DVBS2, APSK_32, FEC_9_10 }, };

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Hi @Yuri666 ,

Why not try with fec=auto? The info is from here: https://en.kingofsat.net/pos-13E.php However, I feel is wrong as https://www.lyngsat.com/Hotbird-13B-13C-13E.html indicates: 11200 V | DVB-S2 16APSK 34285 3/4. Therefore try with fec=34 and fec=auto.

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lars18th commented Feb 23, 2023 •
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Great news!

Using current version of the minisatip running in a Edision OS nino pro, this request it's sufficient to tune the 13E DVB-S2X testing transponder: ?freq=11200&pol=v&msys=dvbs2&mtype=auto&sr=34290&pids=0,1,16,18,512,4112,7166.

In this request the msys is incorrect, but the driver seems to select the correct one, because the dvb-fe-tool -a 0 -f 0 -g -m -v shows:

Device DVB-S2X (External) (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) capabilities:
     CAN_2G_MODULATION
     CAN_FEC_1_2
     CAN_FEC_2_3
     CAN_FEC_3_4
     CAN_FEC_4_5
     CAN_FEC_5_6
     CAN_FEC_6_7
     CAN_FEC_7_8
     CAN_FEC_8_9
     CAN_FEC_AUTO
     CAN_INVERSION_AUTO
     CAN_MULTISTREAM
     CAN_QPSK
     CAN_RECOVER
DVB API Version 5.10, Current v5 delivery system: DVBS2
Supported delivery systems:
    [DVBS2]
     DVBS
Frequency range for the current standard:
From:             950 MHz
To:              2,15 GHz
Step:            1,00 MHz
Tolerance:       5,00 MHz
Symbol rate ranges for the current standard:
From:                 0Bauds
To:              60,0 MBauds
Got parameters for DVBS2:
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 0
INNER_FEC = 3/4
MODULATION = APSK/16
PILOT = OFF
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 0
INNER_FEC = 3/4
MODULATION = APSK/16
PILOT = OFF
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2
Got parameters for DVBS2:
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 0
INNER_FEC = 3/4
MODULATION = APSK/16
PILOT = OFF
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2

And here the modulation is correct "APSK/16".

From this we can assume that:

  • Without changes using auto parameters the minisatip can tune and serve DVB-S2X transponders. That's because S2X is only and extension of the 2G_MODULATION. However, the driver requires support the "auto-selection" of the missing values.
  • In case that the tunning action requires specific values for some parameters, then in case it will be necessary to adapt the minisatip to accept the enhanced requests.

Regards.

@Yuri666
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Yuri666 commented Feb 23, 2023 •
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Of course i'm tryed fec=auto, fec=3/4, mod=16apsk, mod=auto but without any luck (and any lock). My tbs6504 very sensitive to stream parameters - for example it can't lock dvb-s2 transponder if in parameters set dvb-s. I will try tbs6590 soon. it more tolerant to parameters. But I doubt to success anyway.
I think dvb-s2x set top boxes have modified dvb drivers.

@lars18th
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Hi @Yuri666 ,

I think dvb-s2x set top boxes have modified dvb drivers.

I don't know, however, now I'm waching the Eutelsat demo channel (just 576p H.264 loop program with 1.5Mbps) from my minisatip central server that uses the Edision STB running another minisatip slave instance. So, at time I feel it isn't necessary to implement new enhancements. Almost until the drivers will be more mature and more transponders will be available.

For reference only: If someone wants to test DVB-S2X tunning (with minisatip) try 13E position with this request:
?freq=11200&pol=v&msys=dvbs2&mtype=auto&sr=34290&pids=0,1,16,18,512,4112,7166 or
?freq=11200&pol=v&msys=dvbs2&mtype=dvbs2&sr=34290&pids=0,1,16,18,512,4112,7166

Regards.

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Yuri666 commented Feb 23, 2023

mtype=auto
Device TurboSight TBS 6504 DVB-S/S2/S2X/T/T2/C/C2/ISDB-T (/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0) capabilities:
CAN_2G_MODULATION
CAN_FEC_1_2
CAN_FEC_2_3
CAN_FEC_3_4
CAN_FEC_5_6
CAN_FEC_7_8
CAN_FEC_AUTO
CAN_GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
CAN_HIERARCHY_AUTO
CAN_INVERSION_AUTO
CAN_MULTISTREAM
CAN_MUTE_TS
CAN_QAM_16
CAN_QAM_32
CAN_QAM_64
CAN_QAM_128
CAN_QAM_256
CAN_QAM_AUTO
CAN_QPSK
CAN_TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
DVB API Version 5.11, Current v5 delivery system: DVBS2
Supported delivery systems:
DVBS
[DVBS2]
DSS
Frequency range for the current standard:
From: 950 MHz
To: 2,15 GHz
Symbol rate ranges for the current standard:
From: 1,00 MBauds
To: 45,0 MBauds
Got parameters for DVBS2:
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 34290000
INNER_FEC = AUTO
MODULATION = QAM/AUTO
PILOT = AUTO
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 34290000
INNER_FEC = AUTO
MODULATION = QAM/AUTO
PILOT = AUTO
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2

mtype=16apsk
Device TurboSight TBS 6504 DVB-S/S2/S2X/T/T2/C/C2/ISDB-T (/dev/dvb/adapter2/frontend0) capabilities:
CAN_2G_MODULATION
CAN_FEC_1_2
CAN_FEC_2_3
CAN_FEC_3_4
CAN_FEC_5_6
CAN_FEC_7_8
CAN_FEC_AUTO
CAN_GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO
CAN_HIERARCHY_AUTO
CAN_INVERSION_AUTO
CAN_MULTISTREAM
CAN_MUTE_TS
CAN_QAM_16
CAN_QAM_32
CAN_QAM_64
CAN_QAM_128
CAN_QAM_256
CAN_QAM_AUTO
CAN_QPSK
CAN_TRANSMISSION_MODE_AUTO
DVB API Version 5.11, Current v5 delivery system: DVBS2
Supported delivery systems:
DVBS
[DVBS2]
DSS
Frequency range for the current standard:
From: 950 MHz
To: 2,15 GHz
Symbol rate ranges for the current standard:
From: 1,00 MBauds
To: 45,0 MBauds
Got parameters for DVBS2:
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 34290000
INNER_FEC = AUTO
MODULATION = APSK/16
PILOT = AUTO
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2
FREQUENCY = 1450000
INVERSION = AUTO
SYMBOL_RATE = 34290000
INNER_FEC = AUTO
MODULATION = APSK/16
PILOT = AUTO
ROLLOFF = AUTO
POLARIZATION = OFF
STREAM_ID = 4294967295
DELIVERY_SYSTEM = DVBS2

no lock

@lars18th
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Hi @Yuri666 ,

Try with "mtype=16apsk" and

SYMBOL_RATE = 0
INNER_FEC = 3/4
PILOT = OFF

These three values are different in my case.

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Yuri666 commented Feb 23, 2023

symbol_rate = 0 is impossible, dvb card can't autodetect symbolrate.
Other options do not affect

@lars18th
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symbol_rate = 0 is impossible, dvb card can't autodetect symbolrate. Other options do not affect

Therefore I can't help you. 😢

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Jalle19 commented Mar 22, 2023

Is there anything actionable that can be done to this ticket? Or does DVB-S2X work now? I don't have any such feeds available myself so I'm unable to test.

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Yuri666 commented Mar 22, 2023

As far as I understand, there is no support DVB-S2X in linux drivers now

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9000h commented Mar 22, 2023

dddvb at least for supported cards from Digital Devices should have it

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sundtek commented Apr 25, 2023

just FYI Sundtek Dual S2 supports DVB-S2X. I think some here own such a unit?
SkyTV 8 (single tuners) since 2019 support S2X too.

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