Konkani (Devanagari) 'knn' language code must be changed to "kok"

[chasingdragonflies]

Devanagari script is the official standard writing script for konkani in Goa.

Devanagari writing script is prevalent in Goa as well as in Maharashtra. (Marathi, Hindi, and Konkani (goan) are all using the Devanagari script.) So whether it is Maharashtrian konkani or Goan konkani, the official writing script is the same - devanagari.

Devanagari is also the standard script used to teach konkani in schools of Goa, where the language is official.

In goa, where konkani is spoken locally, Devanagari and Roman scripts are prevalent.

Currently in Pontoon, the "GOM" language code is being used for the Roman script and "KNN" is used for devanagari.

"KNN" at first glance seems to look like an abbreiviation for "Kannada" language which is spoken by people right next to the goan borders in Karnataka.

Already the Unicode CLDR has used devanagari script for konkani.

Even a unicode report advices to use 'kok' code for standard konkani instead of the 'knn' code.
https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/

The language "Konkani (Devanagari)" on MCV should be given the correct language code 'kok' as both, the script as well as the code, are the official standards for the Konkani language.

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To be clear, I am NOT requesting to create a new language on MCV for konkani in kannada script. I don't even know how to read it in that script.

[ftyers]

Thanks for the request, we'll look into it, in the meantime could you share this request with other members of the Konkani community, for example @alvynabranches. You can find others in the GitHub issues and comments.

[chasingdragonflies]

@anniedhempe

[alvynabranches]

This notation will be better to identify the languages.

[chasingdragonflies]

@thak123

[chasingdragonflies]

Hi. @alvynabranches @anniedhempe @thak123

After carefully going through the r12a pages and the character data page for knn, which also has codes for kannada knn-knda and latin knn-latn writing scripts (orthographies), I have understood that knn is actually just the konkani "individual language".

But I still don't know why "Goan Konkani" (gom) is kept separated. It shouldn't be the case as it is the same language. Maybe because the code gom was mistakenly derived from "goan marathi" (Note: Konkani is not a dialect of marathi). I couldn't find proper information on the "gom" code and why it is kept separated from the knn code under the macro-language kok. Since knn-deva, which means "konkani in devanagari script", is actually in use in Goa, and it is the standard too, how could knn and gom be separated if they are representing the same individual konkani language?

I have checked with ISO too. It just says knn is an "individual language".

But glottolog has given knn code to "konkan marathi" classification. If I'm not mistaken, Konkan Marathi is actually just the dialects of "maharashtrian konkani". And those versions of konkani are heavily influenced by marathi to the extent that they are now in the grey area of being both dialects of marathi as well as dialects of konkani. (Refer venn diagram). Idk if I am correct to think that konkani speakers in maharashtra are decreasing.

When I had opened this issue, I thought knn was a code for 'maharashtrian konkani' (as said on wikipedia), hence why i wanted the code to change.

@ftyers Correct me if I am wrong, but I think MCV has found a way to include multiple orthographies (deva, latn, knda) in the same dataset. So as long as knn does not mean "maharashtrian Konkani", as long as it means the "individual language", I think its fine to put the other written forms under the same umbrella.

Please share your thoughts on this if any. I will close this issue for now.

[chasingdragonflies]

Related to:
Original Language Request #3266
Multi-orthography for Konkani #4454

[chasingdragonflies]

Reopened because I need your response..