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Backticks are top-heavy #50

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waldyrious opened this issue Oct 1, 2020 · 8 comments
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Backticks are top-heavy #50

waldyrious opened this issue Oct 1, 2020 · 8 comments

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@waldyrious
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Extracting a comment from #27, because I believe it to be a valid suggestion that could be discussed separately:

I think the only complaint I have is that ` looks slightly "heavier" than ' (seems to be slightly wider at the top?):

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Besides being objectively wider, the fact that it's a diagonal stroke makes it not pixel-aligned, which adds to its heavier appearance. I do like the larger backticks (with a height matching that of ' and "), but I'd prefer if they weren't so top-heavy.

Here's a screenshot showing what I see (VSCode, 13" macbook, JuliaMono 0.017):

@cormullion
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Yes, that's quite an interesting point!

On lower-resolution displays, diagonal glyphs seem to lose some thickness. For you and me, with high-quality displays, it's true that the back quote is slightly heavier. But on Windows, the difference might be less. It's hard to replicate, but I can get this, with some effort, on my Mac:

Screenshot 2020-10-02 at 10 16 05

and the difference in weight has definitely decreased.

If everyone was using Retina Macs, I'd certainly be happy to do this. But if I do, I might get comments from non-Mac users that the back quotes are too thin... ;)

Which means I'm undecided... 🤔

@waldyrious
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I see what you mean, and indeed that's hard to assess. It occurred to me that binarizing your image could provide a more objective measure of which glyph would appear heavier; here are some examples with the threshold set at different levels, close to the midpoint between 0 and 255:

I would say that they still tend towards the backtick being heavier, but of course, this is no scientific evidence of human perception :) just additional data to inform this discussion.

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@waldyrious
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Hey @cormullion, is there anything I can do to help move this forward?

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@cormullion
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I could add a stylistic alternative for a thinner backtick - it wouldl be ss11. Perhaps I'll do it next week, if I get time.

@cormullion
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ss11 is in v0.023, give it a try

@waldyrious
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Looks great @cormullion! Here's what I see:

Base backtick:
Screenshot 2020-10-23 at 13 17 38

ss11 backtick:
Screenshot 2020-10-23 at 13 17 46

It's still more visible than the combining grave, but now it's not as overbearing, and better matches the apparent size of the single quote (yes, it's narrower, but it's also longer due to being slanted, so the "area" seems to be similar).

Thanks for the quick resolution!

@waldyrious
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/cc @pfitzseb

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