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Scramble Checkers / Require scramblers to sign score cards #214
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I've discussed this with people in the past, and considered it to be too cumbersome (makes it harder to fined willing scramblers, may not catch all errors – in particular, scrambling the wrong attempt). But all these cases of people unfairly losing their records make it clear that we need to force some international standard. We currently don't have a way to handle these mistakes, but they are basically 100% preventable if you put resources into it. We should be doing things right. If that means taking more time and doing fewer events, perhaps so be it. Until Delegates can prove that that they can eliminate this issue through other organizational means, I think it's reasonable to require a scramble checker, or strong requirements like having the scramblers sign off on score cards (assuming the latter is sufficient). Could someone collect a list of notable cases to lend weight to adding stronger requirements? |
I don't see how this is any different than how judges have to sign each attempt. I've never encountered anyone who didn't want to judge just because they were afraid that their signatures would hold them accountable for any mistakes. Besides, if someone doesn't want to scramble just because they would be held accountable for each of the attempts they scramble for, should that person really be scrambling? I agree that this doesn't prevent every kind of mistake, but it would help encourage scramblers to check more thoroughly. I actually think this would help prevent scrambling the wrong attempt since the scramblers would most likely look at the score card twice: once before scrambling and once afterwards when signing. |
There is one thing I miss in the whole discussion: If so, this would definitely discourage people to scramble. If not, I am Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014 schrieb Lucas Garron :
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Judges don't get punished for making mistakes, so I don't think scramblers should be either. If the scrambler makes an honest mistake such as not noticing a corner is twisted, I don't think it makes sense to take any action, let alone punish anyone. If the scrambler continuously makes the same mistake such as scrambling with the wrong orientation, this would allow organizers to give a friendly reminder of what the proper orientations are. If the scrambler is careless and keeps putting down miscrambled cubes knowing they're scrambled wrong, then the organizers would know not to trust this scrambler. Requiring a signature would reduce the third kind of scrambler, though. On a different note, one additional thing the signatures would be good for would be preventing incidents where someone cheats by putting an already scrambled cube on their scorecard. |
I sent this email to the Delegates list two days ago:
I'm hoping this can solve several problems without sacrificing fairness. |
Incidents:
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PoliMi Italian Open 2014: two repeated scrambles. |
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The last three examples are all from the last week. Obviously, whatever Delegates/organizers are doing doesn't work. Could we try pushing scramble checkers harder? |
(Also, that comp had many other staff errors.) |
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Guangzhou New Year's Cube Day 2015
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Another Fantastic Michigan Competition 2015 report by Kit Clement:
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Olek Gritsenko's report for Ekb Open 2015:
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Finally some good news, in Michael Young's Delegate report for Nub Open 2015:
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There was at least one other scrambling incident at Frankfurt Cube Days. A competitor received the fifth scramble for his forth attempt and therefore complained about a duplicated scramble during his (actual) fifth attempt. I believe most of these incidents will go unnoticed by the delegate since judge and scrambler are usually capable of resolving these mistakes on their own. |
Report for MathSoc Open 2015 by Akash Rupela:
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Report for Dvina 3.0 2015 by Ilya Tereshko:
(i.e. we need to make sure that scramblers are always using the correct scramble group.) |
There was an extremely bad (and possibly intentional) incident at Phalsbourg Open 2015 In particular, out of the 10 scrambles received by the top two competitors (five each), it appears that 7 were incorrect. Edit (2015-04-18): WDC Announcement |
Report for River Hill Winter 2015 by Felix Lee:
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Delegate report for Murcia 2015 by Luis:
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Williams Winter 2015 delegate report by Tim Reynolds:
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Delegate Report for Guangzhou More Fun Site 2015 by Ming Zheng:
(By the way, I'm no longer reporting every incident in this thread. Just ones that I think are more notable. This means there may be even more than this thread suggests.) |
Atlantic Open 2015 Delegate Report by Micah Stairs:
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Delegate Report - Florida Spring 2015 by James LaChance:
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…t requiring it at the moment. Addresses #214.
…t requiring it at the moment. Addresses #214.
…t requiring it at the moment. Addresses #214.
Another incident with very bad scrambles from the SLS Zawiercie 2015 Report by Piotr Kózka:
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Tuks Winter 2015 Delegate Report by Donovan Hale:
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Cube for Cambodia 2015 (Melbourne) Delegates Report by Dene Beardsley:
More details from Tim McMahon:
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From the Tuks Winter 2015 Delegate Report by Donovan Hale
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Something that hasn't been mentioned here is the use of a scrambler list, which is created before the competition and defines the scramblers for every single round and group. So, as the use of scrambler checkers is not always assuring correctly scrambled cubes, this is another simple and easy to implement alternative. |
This is the first I've heard of scrambler lists, but they sound like a good idea to me.
Can we unofficially gamify this and highlight people who've scrambled often without causing incidents? |
Hm, sounds like a fun idea, but it's difficult to implement. |
This "scrambled without causing incidents" should read "scrambled without causing incidents that were caught", or even "scrambled without causing incidents that were caught during the competition" (as sometimes incidents arise after analyzing video footage at home). Now if you put it this way, it doesn't sound as cool achievement anymore :) |
Rubik's Cube Pune Open 2016 Delegate Report by Nikhil Mande:
I'm convinced that we need to institute mandatory scramble checking (or at least forcing the scrambler to sign off on the score card that they checked the scramble) until we get scramble accountability under control. |
This idea was brought up by Raymond Gaslow (Torch) in this thread on Speedsolving.com.
It's a simple idea that would help prevent misscrambles by giving scramblers an incentive to scramble correctly, as well as an opportunity to double check that they're on the correct scramble.
It would also allow delegates and organizers to know which scrambler scrambled each attempt.
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