ep27 專注於改變世界【創業界金城武】.mp3-字幕.srt

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SoundOn

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你說股市房市

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其實後面有一堆政府的錢在那Support

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這一段會剪進去

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會剪進去

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我陳某人敢說敢當

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對啊, 你都要穿著改變世界的T-shirt

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是改變世界

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難道還怕對不對

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政府, 那個嘛

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我說我覺得政府能做超好的

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科技創新娛樂

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各種新奇有趣都在寶博朋友說

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Hey, 你聽寶博朋友說了嗎

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Hello, 歡迎來到寶博朋友說

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我是葛如鈞寶博士

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狄更斯曾經說過

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機會不會上門來找

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只有人去找機會

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歌德也曾經說過識時務者為俊傑

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沒錯

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我們今天邀請到的就是跟俊傑

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一樣發過片的俊傑

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抓住各種機會的高手

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人生創業界的金城武

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創投界的甘道夫

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聽說他現在為了區塊鏈決定改名

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叫block

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為什麼

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因為他姓陳(chen)

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所以接起來叫做blockchen

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好

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我們歡迎接著很冷的節目

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來賓TK陳泰谷

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修煉愛情的悲歡

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感到甘道夫唱的人

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沒有, 你剛說俊傑

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對就林俊傑JJ對不對

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Hello, 我是TK, 我是TK

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這個TK應該算是

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台灣新創界或者創投界的podcaster

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節目的第一把交椅

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這不是你這個節目應該是這個

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我們節目的範圍很窄

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只有牛跟區塊鏈是我們聽得懂

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對

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牛聽得懂區塊鏈

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那,TK其實也是

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我們SoundOn這個頻道上面的常駐podcaster

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對原來受訪者是這麼, 感受這麼痛苦的一件事情

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我終於體會到我跟所有我曾訪問過的來賓說聲抱歉

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對不起

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對啊

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就是完全不知道怎樣會問到什麼的

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你看我今天非常正裝

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為了你又抓頭髮

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還穿西裝外套

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對不對

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就非常的慎重

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TK我們算認識蠻久了

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應該就是台灣創業圈1.0的時候

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我們就...

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不敢不敢

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我絕對不是1.0

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不過我們應該認識超過10年了

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10年了

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對

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因為你算比我早做podcaster

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我好像不小心落後你了

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呵呵

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然後這一條

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但我比你, 我比你勤勞

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我剛剛偷看了一下

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你現在只有26集

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我現在應該也是26集

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你有

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對啊...我現在...晚...晚起步

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但是現在準備要超車的狀態

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你現在是第27集

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我覺得只要超過20集都是很專業很厲害的podcaster

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你是在講自己嗎

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對

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好了, 那個, 我相信因為寶博朋友說的聽眾

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來自各方

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都是非常厲害的各方人士

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但是他們可能都不知道陳泰谷是誰

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這句就不用接了

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TK, 大家可能不知道它的神妙之處了

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就是說曾經可以說是連續創業家

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然後現在又滲透到創投界

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而且他最近又滲透到另外一個

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一般人凡人難以參透的場域

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叫做rap界

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曾經在2019年的數位時代

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的超大型活動裡面

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作為登場的開幕嘉賓

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跟這個海角七號裡面的巨型演員

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一起上台rap的一段

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你說一下這個好不好

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就是

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為什麼誤入歧途到rap界嗎

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沒啦

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其實我很早就接觸饒舌音樂

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我其實有個youtube channel

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就除了podcaster那個youtube channel

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裡面曾經訪問過林金毛

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我不知道大家知不知道

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不用講那麼多啦

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我想把我饒舌專業那一面拿出來

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沒有

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對

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其實也拿不太出來

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我只是想讓你rap一下

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yoyoyo, 今天很高興來到

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這個彩紅菱嘛

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所以你是跟海角七號的

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馬拉桑, 馬念先, 馬哥, 馬哥

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你是跟他一起合作了

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一曲創業rap

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跟他做了一首就是創業家versus

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創業家的另一半

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因為創業家就這樣嘛

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你另一半如果不支持

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其實很痛苦

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另一半有時候不懂創業在幹嘛

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你真的不rap兩句嗎

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隨便兩句歌詞你會記得嗎

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還是你都對嘴

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你根本就對嘴吧

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老實講, 那一場數位時代在花博公園的

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那一場開場秀

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你是不是對嘴

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我跟你講

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我在這邊正式的跟大家澄清

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拍胸部保證那一場真的是對嘴

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呵呵

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真的是對

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我其實有看出來

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其實我看出來, 也應該完全不上

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現場

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我堅持不上現場

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對

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堅持的這演出原則

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那馬拉桑呢？你要幫他爆料嗎？

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他

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沒有其實不是說唱對

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這應該說背景音樂是有放

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然後我們跟著

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不小心沒有去人聲

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因為一開始要放卡拉

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卡拉就是有去掉人聲

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去掉人聲, 對

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其實是有準備這個音擋這樣子

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但是不是放錯了

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沒有, 因為他想做到效果是後面MV

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跟著一起

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後面有mv

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然後又放卡拉版

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但是因為mv沒有卡拉版

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對

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所以一直對不起來

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最後現場就說算了

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就直接放音樂

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你現在總共幾首rap

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Oh, 哇塞, 你手指頭借我一下

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哇, 很多啊, 你確定嗎?

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我是正常的手指數量

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沒有, 四首

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好像有一首跟區塊鏈有關

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第2首是...就

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幣圈vs鏈圈

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對

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那你怕個屁

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我剛一進來我就先講了一句

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What's up, What's up

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然後他馬上就嗆我說

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今天沒有要講區塊鏈吧

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然後我就馬上回他說

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對啊

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就為了你

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我們今天都不講區塊鏈好不好

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然後結果他自己其實rap有

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講區塊鏈, 你這樣是...

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所以你那一首是講, 幣圈versus鏈圈

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對對對

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其實也是一開始在研究區塊鏈的

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時候發現

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你知道大家有時候會有點分兩派

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的感覺嗎

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這一派就是說我技術為主

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我就是要做公鏈技術為主

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然後不要再炒幣什麼的

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而另外一派就是說你有事嗎

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你沒有商業模式

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你沒有賺錢

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你整天研究技術幹嘛這樣

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所以就把很搞笑的衝突把它變成

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一首rap

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變成一首rap

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對好了

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我其實又忍不住會想要問什麼

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你有沒有比特幣什麼

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但我覺得來賓也累了

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聽眾也累了

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今天都來了一個這麼有趣的角色

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就來問一下

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有沒有比特幣

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有沒有以太幣

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你到底是這些rap之後是要出

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專輯嗎？還是...

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其實沒有

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其實我的觀點蠻簡單的

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我認為你知道現在說這種工具這麼

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普遍嗎

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這種youtube或什麼的

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其實每一個人都會是類似網紅的

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角色

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尤其是創業家

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這是講真的不好

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你看我從剛到現場應該都沒有開

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過玩笑

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你就可以看得出來

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我一直上都很認真

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每一個創業家我覺得之後都會是

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一個類似網紅的角色

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每個CEO

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可是都會被人家酸

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你知道都會被人家酸說是創業網紅

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這4個字是罵人的話

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就是創業網紅

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對啊, 一開始你可能被罵你可會難過

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可是你只要一直努力不懈一直做

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你就習慣了

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我本來想晚一點問

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就是說你會被人家酸說

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你一開始創業

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然後後來又搞創投

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然後現在又跑出來唱rap

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就是不誤正業這樣子

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對

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然後又搞podcast

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就是我覺得我已經這樣被人家可能會

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被人家講了

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你又話更多

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對不對

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沒有了

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我是因為我就是不紅嘛

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呵呵

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做什麼都可以

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賣麺也可以

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没有人care啊, 你是願意太紅了

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所以會, 大家會, 大家會拿放大鏡檢視你

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沒有啦, 好了, 其實我剛剛就跟你對談的

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過程

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我一直注意到一件事

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就是你就一直講好笑的

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然後問你一個問題

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你會突然講的超嚴肅就一大串

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然後我就會超想打斷你是很緊張是不是

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你是不是沒有被podcaster訪問過

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你要進入一種來賓模式

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你知道嗎

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你想在這裡, 我跟你講啊

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就是那個以前幣圈跟鏈圈其實就是這兩種

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這樣

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我們没有問你那麼多OK

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對好吧

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我們還是就回來

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因為很多聽眾到這裡也不知道

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我們今天到底節目要講什麼

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反正今天27集我們就是一個比較

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輕鬆的角度

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因為泰谷大家都叫你什麼甘道夫

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應該也是TK比較多啦

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TK啊

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就是TK, 這個, 你的節目也叫什麼啊

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TK

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TK Talk

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就是TK其實有很多好玩的

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事情可以跟大家分享

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交大畢業

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你是文科還是交大

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沒什麼文科

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它只有外文

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至少在我那個年代好像只有外文吧

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那你到底是算什麼

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你是什麼科管

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我是沒有

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我是資訊科學

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怕了吧, Computer Science

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哇

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對, 你們交大就是最奇怪

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人家都叫做資訊工程

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你們就硬要叫資訊科學

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沒有

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我們兩個都有資訊工程也有資訊科學

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所以叫computer science

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別人的computer science叫資訊工程

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那你們的資工系叫什麼

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computer engineering...我也忘了

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就故意要跟人家不一樣

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對你要多一個系才有辦法騙錢

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對你才能跟教育部拿兩倍的錢

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沒錯

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怎麼撈學生的學費

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所以你們資工系跟資科系完全一樣

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沒有沒有, 資科還是比較focus在理論

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什麼什麼演算法

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就不用寫程式, 畢業都不會寫

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也要寫程式

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但是程式語言演算法應用數學

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這些東西

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那資訊工程比較都像IC Design這些

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東西的

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所以還是有點稍微不一樣了

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資訊工程

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哪有人去做IC Design

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那錯了

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那時候還學那個什麼數位邏輯有沒有

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你知道好多還給老師

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反正交流有點不一樣

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但是現在講是我們不要討論學歷

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的問題, 對好了

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然後他後來就去一個非常非常酷的

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地方

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叫做 Babson College

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對吧

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號稱全美國創業就 Entreprenuership

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這種相關大學科技的全美國排名第一

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對

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計劃本上沒寫

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但我知道你知道為什麼嗎

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因為我也去過

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對你有去過

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你去過超多大學

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起點你也去, Babson你也去

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對, 都去了

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我那個去短期的, Babson

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你那時候是去念了一個有學位嗎, 這個Babson

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不是我說

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因為我是去吃他們學生餐廳的

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沒有聽說什麼百事可樂不是念

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還是什麼

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反正他學校有些很可能的白色

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介紹一下

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因為台灣對學院就沒有那麼...

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就是個學院

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所以它其實很小

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不是university就是college

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然後裡面完全focus

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就是說我要怎麼讓創業Entrepreneurship

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這些東西可以發揚光大這樣

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所以他每個進來的學生都是想創業

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那創業環境很盛行

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然後說以前鋼條百事可樂

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還有Toyota

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他的Family家族成員對也是來念

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然後還有一個傑出校友叫做TK

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所以這幾個是

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應該不是這一個TK

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還有另外一個叫Takeshi Kaneshiro

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就是金城武了

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那邊很酷啦

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就是讓去那邊

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然後去學說怎麼用創業角度去

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學到各種不同的領域

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所以是一個master degree

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master degree 對, 碩士

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大家自己去研究一下

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蠻有趣的

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Babson College 算是全美國非常

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知名的

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我自己印象中覺得有點二代大學的感覺

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所有二代大學就是很多的家族

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就是非常巨型企業的家族的二代

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他們為了確保自己的孩子懂得

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經營企業

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卻要能夠同時理解創新

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所以他們就會把他送到Babson College去

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然後裡面的老師都是很瞭解企業的管理

381
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但是你經歷了這些過程

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你是大學直接過去嗎

383
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直接去念嗎

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還是你有先工作過

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然後在訓練

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我先服那該死的義務役, 義務役

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然後最後就去工作

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因為念畢業到工作大概幾年經驗

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工作完就去念了

390
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然後你曾經在SweetShot

391
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也曾經在Quest Venture 擔任partner

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總之真的很長

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你自己講一下

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然後你的線

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什麼很長, 什麼很長

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經歷很長

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這樣可以嗎

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好

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你講一下

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因為你現在現任我知道

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達營管理顧問公司, 最近非常紅

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網路上還有篇文章是你們的一個

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partner, 對, 林桂光

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對

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然後再介紹你們的公司

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稍微說明一下你整個經驗好了

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好不好

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應該說從大學時候其實我就知道

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我想創業

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但是只是說我覺得我自認資質

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不夠

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所以才去念個Babson

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後來念完之後就覺得說真的是

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一個學位

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其實真沒什麼太大幫助了

416
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這對創業來講還是要做才是有

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意義的

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做了之後的第1天就發現跟你學

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東西都非常不一樣

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但是你知道創業後來, 創業一定有

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失敗嘛

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不可能

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人生也就一定會成功

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我又不是蕭上農對不對

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怎麼可能怎麼一直成功對不對

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00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,510
愛料理的創辦人

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對, 愛料理的創辦人

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對不對

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所以, 就是收起來之後就去上班嘛

430
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但那時候因為創過業的經驗

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所以就很自然而然就會選擇像

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譬如說加速器或者是一些類似

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創投這樣的角色

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所以那時候就幫鴻海他們想就三創

435
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其實他們想run一個智能硬件

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大陸用智能硬件就是軟硬整合的

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一個孵化器

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然後協助他們規劃的東西

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後來輾轉又轉到創投

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00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,030
現在其實說老實話

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00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,320
其實現在又回去創業了

442
00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:41,520
所以其實是創業創投創業創投

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這樣跑

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可是你這個角色很特別

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你在一間VC裡面擔任駐點創業

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家

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其實就是你創了一個業被他們

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投資還是怎麼樣

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沒有

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其實是一開始就先在那邊當駐點

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創業家

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什麼叫做駐點創業家

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問得好

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對啊

455
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哪有這種東西

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你租一個辦公桌的創業家

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00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:03,490
大家有沒有看過寄生上流

458
00:14:03,490 --> 00:14:07,410
對, 駐點創業家就是parasite

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00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:10,660
其實應該說我的經驗剛好有創業過

460
00:14:10,660 --> 00:14:13,080
然後也曾經有段時間當過創投

461
00:14:13,090 --> 00:14:14,340
那時候就矽谷創投

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所以答應的老闆

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就是說

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你既然有創業創投經驗

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然後那時候離開創投離開矽谷

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00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,700
然後有一段時間就沒事幹這樣子

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所以他們就說

468
00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:23,400
既然你下面沒事幹

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然後又有創業創投經驗

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你要不就來

471
00:14:25,250 --> 00:14:27,910
當你早就在答應這邊的職位

472
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:28,430
這樣子

473
00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,670
但是那時候我很清楚

474
00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,140
跟他說

475
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:30,410
sorry

476
00:14:30,420 --> 00:14:31,600
我不想再當創投

477
00:14:31,610 --> 00:14:33,070
因為我才剛結束個創投

478
00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,540
我現在想創業

479
00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:35,900
然後他就問我說那你要創投說

480
00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:36,400
我說sorry

481
00:14:36,410 --> 00:14:37,040
我還不曉得

482
00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:37,680
他說好

483
00:14:37,690 --> 00:14:40,990
不然就先來答應這邊當駐點創業家

484
00:14:40,990 --> 00:14:45,000
所以我就是我理論上不是一個Full-time的員工

485
00:14:45,290 --> 00:14:47,220
我也只說會去創業

486
00:14:47,230 --> 00:14:48,970
或者我有可能加入他們的

487
00:14:48,980 --> 00:14:53,130
所以你就是處在一種是也不是有與

488
00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:54,210
沒有之間

489
00:14:54,220 --> 00:14:57,820
你可能是中華民國第1個駐點創業家這種感覺

490
00:14:57,820 --> 00:14:59,960
沒有聽說, 聽說之前

491
00:14:59,970 --> 00:15:03,410
那個創投工房創業工廠

492
00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:04,150
創業工場嗎

493
00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,100
創投工坊...

494
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:07,530
對

495
00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:09,110
反正就, 他們, 聽說他們也有

496
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,690
那時候也有EIR, 對, 英文名字叫 EIR

497
00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:15,350
Entrepreneur in Residence

498
00:15:15,930 --> 00:15:16,350
對

499
00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,260
就是一種要創不創

500
00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:19,320
但還沒創

501
00:15:19,630 --> 00:15:20,750
可以這麼說對吧

502
00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,530
所以你現在駐點多久了

503
00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:25,870
我已經駐了, 我已經駐了一年

504
00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:28,010
一年3, 4個月了

505
00:15:28,020 --> 00:15:30,180
我今天本來要為了你開一個全新

506
00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:30,720
的系列

507
00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:33,380
叫做什麼創業牛也會什麼

508
00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,420
就是說你當時你在Quest Venture是一個矽谷

509
00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:39,730
創投創投

510
00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:40,760
創投公司

511
00:15:40,990 --> 00:15:44,730
然後你有參與投資這件事嗎

512
00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:46,270
找案子, 然後投案子

513
00:15:46,270 --> 00:15:47,070
我跟你講

514
00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,130
你真的問到重點

515
00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:50,400
那個時候最重要其實是募資

516
00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:54,760
幫它募一個Fund去, 幫這個VC去募錢

517
00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,000
對對, 我們本來想要募一個台灣Fund

518
00:15:57,180 --> 00:15:58,860
然後專門投台灣的團隊

519
00:15:59,150 --> 00:16:01,230
但是這個是很可說起來嗎

520
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,990
其實真的會讓我老淚縱橫

521
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,290
是因為台灣的投資方

522
00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:06,460
台灣的有錢單位

523
00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:08,650
或是你知道這種有錢機構

524
00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:11,840
他們不願意把錢投在台灣的新創團隊

525
00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,890
所以你如果跟他pitch的story

526
00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:17,930
說我可以幫你管這些錢, 這些錢是來投資

527
00:16:17,940 --> 00:16:18,870
台灣團隊

528
00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:21,970
大概99%都會說, sorry我們

529
00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:22,770
沒有興趣

530
00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:25,060
如果說你今天幫我投海外的

531
00:16:25,070 --> 00:16:25,740
我還比較有心

532
00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:27,100
你覺得為什麼

533
00:16:27,310 --> 00:16:30,780
我覺得就是整個大環境其實是的確是

534
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:31,990
可能有時候還沒有到那麼

535
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,380
ready

536
00:16:32,390 --> 00:16:35,140
因為台灣的出場的機構

537
00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:37,380
本來應該說出場的方式本來就還

538
00:16:37,390 --> 00:16:39,800
沒到像歐美這麼的成熟嗎

539
00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:43,720
所以你說很少團隊可以到很順利

540
00:16:43,730 --> 00:16:44,280
的IPO

541
00:16:44,290 --> 00:16:46,570
或者是那5倍30倍的價格賣

542
00:16:46,580 --> 00:16:47,000
出去

543
00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:48,900
或者是有下一輪的接手的

544
00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:50,180
這個本來就還沒健全

545
00:16:50,190 --> 00:16:52,110
所以當然投資方會擔心

546
00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:53,500
我講一個我的想法

547
00:16:53,510 --> 00:16:55,260
因為我以前有去募資

548
00:16:55,270 --> 00:16:56,730
當然也有經歷過

549
00:16:56,810 --> 00:16:59,150
那種就有感覺對方好像沒有很

550
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,210
喜歡投台灣公司的感覺

551
00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,540
但我後來也想通了

552
00:17:03,550 --> 00:17:06,260
就是說我一度曾經還蠻不高興的

553
00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:09,020
就覺得說台灣人明明能力很強

554
00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:10,400
有的題目也很不錯

555
00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:12,170
然後成績也蠻好的

556
00:17:12,180 --> 00:17:15,180
其實就是需要一筆錢來讓他轉到

557
00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:16,190
下一個階段

558
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,730
這種有點像用資金去加速

559
00:17:19,390 --> 00:17:22,360
但是就是為什麼不, 很多人就是不

560
00:17:22,370 --> 00:17:24,600
一定喜歡投台灣的團隊這樣

561
00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:25,900
我後來我的解釋是

562
00:17:25,910 --> 00:17:28,020
我覺得台灣整體的資金

563
00:17:28,030 --> 00:17:28,670
風險

564
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:29,680
投資的資金

565
00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:30,670
房市的資金

566
00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,420
股市資金是另外一個資金

567
00:17:32,430 --> 00:17:34,690
就是說願意承擔風險的投資的

568
00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:38,090
資金相對是淺盤的比較沒有那麼

569
00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:38,680
多

570
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:40,130
在沒有那麼多的情況之下

571
00:17:40,140 --> 00:17:42,520
你能接受風險的程度就比較小

572
00:17:42,530 --> 00:17:44,130
那, 這種情況之下

573
00:17:44,140 --> 00:17:46,430
你要投資的團隊應該是存活率

574
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,230
比較高

575
00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,990
然後能夠只有一口氣還可以撐的

576
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,850
比較長的那一種團隊

577
00:17:51,860 --> 00:17:53,460
然後我自己在腦海中做了一個

578
00:17:53,470 --> 00:17:54,290
思想實驗

579
00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:56,210
就是說如果同樣一個題目

580
00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:58,710
你今天是寶博士來做或TK來做

581
00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,350
一模一樣

582
00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,800
產品名稱也一樣

583
00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:01,570
服務一樣

584
00:18:01,580 --> 00:18:02,260
技術一樣

585
00:18:02,270 --> 00:18:03,850
幾乎連程式碼都一模一樣

586
00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:07,300
可是突然在宇宙裡面出現了TK

587
00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:09,200
拿著一樣程式碼一樣的產品

588
00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:10,390
一樣的使用者人數

589
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,000
跟另外一個人是以色列人或者是

590
00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:14,310
矽谷來的

591
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,870
就是往那邊抱著一模一樣的東西

592
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,580
出現

593
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:18,870
然後我問我自己

594
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,770
如果我是VC

595
00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:20,770
我同樣一筆錢

596
00:18:21,050 --> 00:18:23,800
3000萬或者多少我會投給誰

597
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:24,860
我不知道

598
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:27,500
我覺得我好像會投以色列人

599
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:28,860
我好像會投矽谷來的人

600
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:29,220
為什麼

601
00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:31,220
因為他有一天快爆炸的時候

602
00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:34,260
他可能還可以不止從台灣找到延

603
00:18:34,270 --> 00:18:35,060
命錢

604
00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:36,490
他可能可以從矽谷

605
00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:38,820
它可能可以從以色列人的圈子

606
00:18:38,830 --> 00:18:39,180
裡頭

607
00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:40,180
猶太人的圈子

608
00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:42,840
我不知道你覺得解釋你可以接受

609
00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:43,050
嗎

610
00:18:43,050 --> 00:18:45,370
我覺得狗是很通的

611
00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:46,970
我們要講狗屁不通

612
00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:48,440
我說很通很通

613
00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:49,580
但你講這真的是重點

614
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:51,340
這很現實

615
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:53,200
第1個當然就是場真戲

616
00:18:53,210 --> 00:18:56,090
也是我剛剛提到就說你得出場

617
00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:57,800
或者你下一輪的接盤的人

618
00:18:58,020 --> 00:19:00,580
這個東西沒有嘛, 因為淺疊嗎

619
00:19:00,590 --> 00:19:02,490
願意接受風險的資金是淺疊

620
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:05,100
所以的確比較沒有, 影院沒有

621
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:07,480
當然大家就不會去願意去接嗎

622
00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:10,130
你說股市房市其實後面也一堆

623
00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:11,430
政府的錢在那裡support

624
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,580
房市當然政府不讓它掉下來

625
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:15,050
這一段會剪進去

626
00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:19,310
剪進去我陳某人敢說敢當

627
00:19:19,310 --> 00:19:21,450
對啊, 你都要穿著改變是改變世界的t-shirt

628
00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:22,850
難道還怕對不對

629
00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:25,440
政府那個我覺得政府在做超好的

630
00:19:25,450 --> 00:19:27,280
我覺得他們在這整個規劃是最棒的

631
00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:29,210
一個地方都是該社團對自己的

632
00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:29,770
問題

633
00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:32,880
所以你既然已經看通這一切

634
00:19:32,890 --> 00:19:34,370
你現在還要創業

635
00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:36,800
你你要在台灣找資金嗎

636
00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:40,180
還是你就要假裝你是外國團隊

637
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:41,240
呵呵

638
00:19:41,410 --> 00:19:42,990
so I think

639
00:19:42,990 --> 00:19:44,510
台灣資金還是有

640
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,880
只是說我的確有一個領悟是說

641
00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:51,120
我們平常在報章雜誌看到

642
00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:53,180
或者在教科書上面看到這種幕資

643
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:53,960
的方式

644
00:19:53,970 --> 00:19:56,390
有時候不那麼一定適合台灣的

645
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:56,700
市場

646
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:58,680
或是其實有時候亞洲市場某種

647
00:19:58,690 --> 00:19:59,460
程度都是這樣

648
00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:01,730
就說我今天有個好idea

649
00:20:01,850 --> 00:20:03,120
然後我有個好團隊

650
00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:04,370
我就可以拿錢

651
00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:04,730
no

652
00:20:04,740 --> 00:20:05,660
actually不是

653
00:20:05,890 --> 00:20:08,540
然後你還需要很多你知道產品非

654
00:20:08,550 --> 00:20:10,550
團隊的一些因素在

655
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,090
他說你曾經風光獲得美國加速器

656
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:14,850
的投資

657
00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:16,410
風光還加粗體

658
00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:17,370
然後畫底線

659
00:20:17,380 --> 00:20:23,160
呵呵我是哪一次創業有被風光

660
00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:23,740
投資

661
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:27,870
哪一次我一直記得Gumhoo

662
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,130
就是Gumhoo

663
00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:32,700
那時候進一個應該說是矽谷那邊

664
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:34,660
然後找了一些然後就是一些人

665
00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:36,970
然後他們在台灣設立一個就說

666
00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:39,380
其實是在台灣成立的公司

667
00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:43,340
就直接叫美國加速器

668
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:47,080
你乾脆公司創業公司叫做美國

669
00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:47,580
什麼這樣

670
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:49,460
我直接去英屬什麼什麼這樣子

671
00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:51,280
很多公司都是這樣的

672
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,000
生活一個駐點一年三個月的駐點

673
00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:56,350
創業家, Darwin

674
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,010
對

675
00:20:57,020 --> 00:20:58,050
非常有名

676
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,130
現在Darwin有投資任何區塊鏈的

677
00:21:01,140 --> 00:21:01,870
公司嗎

678
00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:04,590
你不知道你會知道嗎

679
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,850
我會你應該會知道

680
00:21:05,860 --> 00:21:06,450
對

681
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:07,730
當然有投我們了

682
00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:13,510
所以投了對你Darwin在台灣是真的

683
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,160
reputation很不錯的

684
00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:15,890
很好報酬

685
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:16,830
跟他一年三個月

686
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,530
他你什麼都還沒有出

687
00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:21,490
你剛P會怎麼自己消音

688
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,290
你什麼都還沒有出來

689
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:25,330
然後他就投了

690
00:21:25,340 --> 00:21:28,550
這在台灣是非常少見的, rare case

691
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,620
應該是對從來沒有這樣

692
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:33,350
但這就是他們想建立的EIR機制

693
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,430
他們想要建立看看是不是有可能

694
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,450
有點像自己nurture一個一個創業項目家

695
00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:40,550
出來這樣子

696
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,730
內部孵化有點像內部孵化

697
00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:43,810
所以這個是特殊案例

698
00:21:43,820 --> 00:21:47,250
如果你問我絕對不會建議各位在

699
00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:49,820
像我這麼早出去跟創投談投資

700
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:51,000
這是完全不適合

701
00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:53,520
但是我是因為是駐點

702
00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:53,630
對

703
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,700
因為自己有這個東西才是用這樣

704
00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:57,010
的方式, 這個很有趣

705
00:21:57,020 --> 00:21:58,980
你可以稍微講一下

706
00:21:58,990 --> 00:22:00,980
你還沒有東西

707
00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,190
我覺得這太累了

708
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,680
因為你要講不講了

709
00:22:04,690 --> 00:22:07,420
那就下一次再好好說明一下

710
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:11,950
你大概什麼時候這個選案或產品會比較成熟

711
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,010
比較成熟大概就是Q2

712
00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:17,640
Q3吧, 現在蠻快

713
00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:18,810
大概再幾個月

714
00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:20,990
因為第1個封測剛結束

715
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,090
所以我們還在tune

716
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,770
然後接下來就開始團隊規模

717
00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:26,550
現在是這才5個人而已

718
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,010
5個很多

719
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:30,550
你只要拿到錢就亂花嘛

720
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,690
這個也不會剪掉

721
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:34,120
好

722
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:37,560
所以你現在就是在試新的東西

723
00:22:37,570 --> 00:22:38,690
新的嘗試

724
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:40,180
整體來講

725
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:42,700
你覺得最近除了區塊鏈之外

726
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:44,550
你還沒有看到什麼好玩的東西

727
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,890
新科技或者是新的技術

728
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,220
或者是好玩的新的團隊

729
00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:52,070
我自己我當然是看好區塊鏈

730
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:53,440
Why?

731
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:55,650
因為連牛都聽得懂

732
00:22:55,660 --> 00:22:56,510
對不對

733
00:22:58,090 --> 00:22:59,160
這有點難回

734
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,190
應該說區塊鏈是所有

735
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,450
至少說我相信寶博你這邊一定也

736
00:23:03,460 --> 00:23:04,010
很有體會

737
00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:06,050
我們其實經歷這麼多

738
00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:07,720
你說從社群網站

739
00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:08,860
然後AI

740
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:09,830
物聯網

741
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,110
區塊鏈

742
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,070
每一個項目

743
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,490
說老實話

744
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,110
區塊鏈是, 基本上快可以說是唯一一個

745
00:23:16,110 --> 00:23:18,850
掀起這麼大一個熱潮熱度

746
00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:22,680
然後是幾乎所有大企業都進不來

747
00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:24,600
的一個領域

748
00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:25,800
所以你說像Facebook

749
00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:27,220
出來很多出來很久

750
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:30,140
然後各個可以想像的幾乎都有

751
00:23:30,150 --> 00:23:31,870
想試著看我怎麼樣伸到區塊鏈

752
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,240
裡面

753
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,140
可是因為它本身就是一個所謂

754
00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:36,080
去中心化這樣的想法

755
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:39,240
我幫你補充一下

756
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:40,160
雖然你有點繞

757
00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:45,320
然後快要就是最近真的我們現在錄音

758
00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:48,560
的時間點是3月初三月初的時候

759
00:23:48,570 --> 00:23:52,970
區塊鏈在美國快要變成票房毒藥

760
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:53,490
了

761
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,400
美國的總統大選初選

762
00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:59,330
三個支持區塊鏈議題的候選人

763
00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:00,400
全部出局了

764
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,470
然後有一個號稱比特幣

765
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,440
反正就是一個非常支持區塊鏈的

766
00:24:06,450 --> 00:24:09,800
一個SEC就是美國證交會

767
00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:13,970
裡面的人要多次提出比特幣的

768
00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:15,780
etf也被打回票

769
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:19,340
然後Facebook的Libra

770
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:20,220
也速度嘗試

771
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:21,680
但也都失敗

772
00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:22,640
很多人退出

773
00:24:22,650 --> 00:24:23,630
當然最近有Shopify

774
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,640
重新加入

775
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,200
最近最熱門的新聞就是推特

776
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:28,940
的創辦人Jack Dorsey

777
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:31,470
因為他一直對外嗆說他要把比特

778
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,500
幣放入推特裡面

779
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:35,600
也就是未來你可能可以通過比特

780
00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:38,960
幣來打賞推特的這一些知名人士

781
00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:39,300
們

782
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:41,230
然後因為他一直有這樣子的一個

783
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,070
慾望

784
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,100
加上他最近在Square

785
00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:46,090
他好像也是他另外一間公司

786
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:46,670
對

787
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,230
然後賣比特幣賺了很多的錢

788
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,470
營收非常的高

789
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,580
所以它很可能會提前一直有在

790
00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:55,490
傳說他要提前把區塊鏈的功能或

791
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,310
比特幣的功能加入到推特裡面

792
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,690
因為這件事情在流傳

793
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,170
他好像董事會就是有人想要把他

794
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:04,000
踢出

795
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:06,540
twitter的CEO要把他革職

796
00:25:06,550 --> 00:25:08,370
你聽說過這件事嗎

797
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:09,450
沒有觀察到

798
00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:09,720
對

799
00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:12,150
所以區塊鏈現在在美國就有點

800
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,310
大家好像一碰就被電到了感覺

801
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:18,780
你覺得現在去做區塊鏈的題目是

802
00:25:18,790 --> 00:25:22,970
好的時間,還是晚的時間,還是剛剛好

803
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:25,370
你其實覺得沒有什麼時間前後之分

804
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:26,910
覺得很看好這個東西

805
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,240
沒有

806
00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:30,120
應該說我們其實這部分其實就是

807
00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:31,700
把創投的帽子戴起來

808
00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:34,160
如果你今天跟創投pitch說你好

809
00:25:34,170 --> 00:25:35,520
我在做的是區塊鏈項目

810
00:25:35,530 --> 00:25:38,390
他們就說是引導供我一個意識嗎

811
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:38,720
對

812
00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:40,530
因為你不會有團隊跟你說你好

813
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,500
我在做事AWS上面的一個服務

814
00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:43,230
這是什麼東西

815
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,230
都是AWS上面服務

816
00:25:44,290 --> 00:25:45,320
因為它就是一個平台

817
00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:46,110
他就是個技術

818
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,910
對就是個資料結構

819
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,750
一個Database

820
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,390
所以基本上你還是要回歸到重點

821
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,760
是你解決什麼商業問題嗎

822
00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:53,630
然後你的商業模式

823
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,650
什麼團隊資金力什麼這些東西

824
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:58,290
所以我覺得很難說

825
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:01,780
你說因為你Pitch Deck上面出現區塊鏈

826
00:26:01,790 --> 00:26:03,970
三個字就會是比較好或者不好

827
00:26:03,970 --> 00:26:05,840
那區塊鏈本來就有它的

828
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:06,910
一個原罪

829
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,460
他很容易被或者說一開始吸引到

830
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:14,740
太多比較不是這麼一些有心人士

831
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:16,200
去做一些操作

832
00:26:16,210 --> 00:26:18,420
所以他就背負這些原罪

833
00:26:18,430 --> 00:26:20,800
我覺得這是所有的產業

834
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:23,940
你只要是有可以讓大家接受

835
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:26,380
是大家可以徹底改變一些東西的

836
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:26,510
時候

837
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,870
他一定會經歷一段這樣的一個被

838
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,720
濫用期是被搞臭期

839
00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:32,310
然後之後再慢慢回歸平靜

840
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,580
說原來他是可以這樣做這樣做

841
00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:37,040
其實網路也是, 也是經歷過泡沫這麼

842
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:37,580
多次

843
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:39,730
各種數位廣告行銷也都是經歷過

844
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:40,830
這種所謂對不對

845
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,320
就是偷資料或者是廣告詐騙什麼

846
00:26:43,330 --> 00:26:44,050
這都有

847
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:45,590
那就是會修正

848
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,510
所以你覺得只要潮水退了

849
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,090
不管有沒有穿褲子

850
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,610
只要身材夠好的話

851
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,380
都可以站在那裡把錢掙了

852
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:54,690
是不是

853
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:55,230
對

854
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,800
所以所謂的身材好

855
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:58,380
你有沒有解決什麼問題

856
00:26:58,390 --> 00:27:00,520
你們有商業的價值模式

857
00:27:00,530 --> 00:27:02,590
這樣我可不可以去駐點一下

858
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,640
我可以當駐點創業家的公司裡的

859
00:27:05,650 --> 00:27:06,640
駐點創業家

860
00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:09,910
在我們一層套一層俄羅斯娃娃的

861
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,020
感覺沒問題

862
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:11,560
錄取

863
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,470
新創啦

864
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,290
你在這裡面打滾這麼久

865
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,920
而且你其實在一邊嘗試新的創業

866
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:19,130
的過程當中

867
00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:21,770
你好像還搞了一個頻道

868
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:25,320
叫做TKBS是什麼

869
00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:26,750
TK Bull Shit

870
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,410
對是嗎

871
00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:28,770
真的全名就是這個嗎

872
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:30,550
不是TK Base嗎

873
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,030
哪有, TK Bull Shit 好不好

874
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,920
當然是TK Bull Shit

875
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:34,730
然後又有一個叫Creator

876
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:35,350
Base

877
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,580
你要不要解釋一下

878
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:37,850
我覺得大家有點搞不懂

879
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:39,990
你自己錄影的時候也一下說大家

880
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,370
歡迎來到TK然後就說這其實也

881
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:44,290
是Creator Base作的這樣

882
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,550
然後我現在又是SoundOn的

883
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,350
你說明一下

884
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,570
你這樣很雜嘞

885
00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:51,390
對我有時候醒來我都不知道自己

886
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,730
現在在幹嘛

887
00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:54,930
對講一下這個頻道

888
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:57,220
Creator Base這家公司跟我沒關係

889
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:59,070
他就是一家外面獨立公司

890
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,290
然後專門在做一些像網紅的一些

891
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,530
孵化的概念的一個業務

892
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:05,910
所以他們會提供一些資源

893
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,810
比如說拍攝

894
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:08,190
剪輯, 場地

895
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,580
然後幹嘛幹嘛

896
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:10,930
我跟他們合作

897
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,880
所以我跟他們碰面

898
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:15,120
然後propose說我們一起來做個頻道

899
00:28:15,130 --> 00:28:17,570
專門在講創業創投這樣相關的

900
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:18,020
議題

901
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:19,750
讓他們覺得好像蠻有趣的

902
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,330
就被我騙了

903
00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:20,700
對不對

904
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:22,710
你就三寸不爛之舌嗎

905
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,700
就騙到人家

906
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:25,150
然後我們不需要營銷

907
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,410
不相信我們可以自己加

908
00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:27,780
呵呵

909
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,660
後期再加怕你太累

910
00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:31,820
然後所以就合作一個頻道

911
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:34,840
然後專門在香港的Rap Battle都是圍繞

912
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:35,590
在創業

913
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,820
然後還有包括訪問一些創業團隊

914
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:40,220
然後現在podcast, 就是跟SoundOn合作

915
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:42,720
也是把SoundOn的錄影的內容放在頻道

916
00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:43,090
上面

917
00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:47,460
TKBS現在的追蹤者有多少

918
00:28:47,470 --> 00:28:48,420
超多的

919
00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:49,740
大概差不多一兩百

920
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:54,580
不會吧, 我都已經快要破千了

921
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:55,860
你確定嗎

922
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:57,420
我1000大概超過1000

923
00:28:57,430 --> 00:29:00,120
我記得應該我記得我去偷看一下

924
00:29:00,130 --> 00:29:01,840
大家可以點擊一下

925
00:29:01,850 --> 00:29:02,330
我跟你講

926
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,250
我希望大家不要追蹤

927
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:05,620
我希望大家不要訂閱我

928
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:06,200
為何

929
00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:07,440
因為那都沒有意義

930
00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:08,540
衝流量幹嘛

931
00:29:08,550 --> 00:29:10,180
總希望大家學到東西

932
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:12,130
要檢查一下自己有沒有訂閱

933
00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:12,470
好不好

934
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,540
再按一次就可以取消了

935
00:29:14,550 --> 00:29:15,420
非常簡單

936
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:17,200
如果不小心按小鈴鐺好吧

937
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:19,620
再按一次按掉小鈴鐺怎麼辦

938
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:21,500
拔掉都不要

939
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:23,590
所以這個頻道繼續嗎

940
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,140
主要是跟SoundOn合作

941
00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:27,220
然後SoundOn內容一起放在頻道上

942
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:29,680
但是頻道也會做一些轉型

943
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:32,340
不會只是單純訪問團隊或者

944
00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:33,070
office這樣子

945
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,080
我覺得我人生中很少有這樣的

946
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:35,760
時刻

947
00:29:35,770 --> 00:29:38,300
就是說以前別人都嗆我

948
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:41,010
說你怎麼什麼都做一下子去拍

949
00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:41,500
電影

950
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:43,580
然後一下又podcast

951
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:44,620
然後又教書

952
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:45,600
然後寫書

953
00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:46,620
然後又寫文章

954
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:49,360
然後又炒幣我沒有在炒幣說出來

955
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:52,420
然後我現在跟你這樣子聊

956
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:56,420
我就你覺得做棋逢敵手沒有

957
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:59,500
我突然抽身出來

958
00:29:59,510 --> 00:30:01,550
用一個第三者立場來看另外一個

959
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,350
超級斜槓, 斜槓王這樣

960
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,220
對

961
00:30:05,230 --> 00:30:09,610
但我突然間體會了別人怎麼看我

962
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:11,780
沒有

963
00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:12,330
但我說真的

964
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:13,830
我覺得什麼斜槓什麼

965
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,010
我覺得大家是把太

966
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:17,870
你知道好像覺得你在幹嗎這樣

967
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,720
但其實全部還是濃縮成一個點

968
00:30:20,730 --> 00:30:22,450
叫做創業創投

969
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:23,460
大概就是這樣子

970
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:25,410
所以我做所有事情都只有圍繞在

971
00:30:25,420 --> 00:30:26,240
一個點叫創業創投

972
00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:29,030
所以因為為我比所有人都還專注

973
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,060
因為我只做這個

974
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:31,210
我不會去

975
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:32,440
你知道就算我要拍電影

976
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:34,340
我一定是拍跟創業創投相關的

977
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:36,860
所以我其實有一個領悟之後

978
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:38,100
所有未來的發展

979
00:30:38,110 --> 00:30:39,830
你只有拿名片出去

980
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:40,950
你不會是說你好

981
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,690
我是什麼公司的誰

982
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:44,360
而是說你好我是誰

983
00:30:44,370 --> 00:30:48,280
我之前在這家這幾家公司都

984
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:50,690
是因為你這個人代表什麼樣的

985
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:53,040
形象而去加總的

986
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,070
但是你如果是走創投創業路線

987
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,260
這很不容易

988
00:30:59,270 --> 00:31:01,600
因為台灣有一個非常巨大山頭

989
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:04,090
就是橫亙在我們的眼前

990
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:05,010
你知道是誰嗎

991
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,020
沈文程呵呵隨便講一個就是台灣

992
00:31:10,030 --> 00:31:11,660
大哥大總經理

993
00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:13,020
我起立

994
00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:14,060
我要站起來

995
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:14,710
我站起來

996
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:16,530
這個山頭對不對

997
00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:18,490
雖然當然形態不一樣了

998
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,480
你是比較混合混搭路線

999
00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:24,400
但是想到創業或創投

1000
00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:25,840
大家好像會想到他

1001
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:28,640
你現在是也希望大家講到創業

1002
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:28,900
創投

1003
00:31:28,910 --> 00:31:29,740
就想到你嗎

1004
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:30,720
還是也不一定

1005
00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:32,760
反正你其實就是希望做你覺得很

1006
00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:34,440
重要路線上的事情

1007
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:36,590
其實我還真的從來沒想過這個

1008
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,020
問題

1009
00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:40,220
就是沒有想要去跟誰比這樣

1010
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:45,080
因為擊退逼而不是你剛講是對他

1011
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:47,340
自己對你自己是雞腿還是記者

1012
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:47,770
對

1013
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:48,640
而且說老實話

1014
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:50,080
創業創投這個角色

1015
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:51,840
先KOL這個角色來講

1016
00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:55,320
其實也很少,就是 Jamie, 寶博

1017
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:56,690
換林志

1018
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:58,140
寶博

1019
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,150
不要害我好不好

1020
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,850
我等級對不對

1021
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:04,180
雞腿比呵呵

1022
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:04,390
對

1023
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,380
所以我覺得這比還這麼對不對

1024
00:32:07,390 --> 00:32:09,180
又完全沒什麼競爭的

1025
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:12,410
你現在在整體來講

1026
00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:15,550
你看起來你覺得區塊鏈的下一步

1027
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,130
會是什麼

1028
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:18,240
你怎麼跳我的題目可以跳成這樣

1029
00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:18,660
不是

1030
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:21,970
我的意思就是說你現在這樣子

1031
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:23,520
創業創投, 創業創投

1032
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:27,450
然後你等於把某一部分你覺得的

1033
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:27,960
方向

1034
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:30,400
你要放到所謂的次世代的技術

1035
00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:30,800
上面

1036
00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:33,320
或者是次世代的網路的平台上面

1037
00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:34,880
你必然是做了選擇

1038
00:32:34,890 --> 00:32:37,080
你必然對這個產業未來有一些

1039
00:32:37,090 --> 00:32:37,720
想像

1040
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,780
可是最近我們又看到這個幣價

1041
00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:45,370
起起伏伏, 鏈的開發有很多好的

1042
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:45,690
消息

1043
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:47,020
但有很多壞的消息

1044
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,460
你怎麼看

1045
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:51,130
你覺得整體我只是說想要你給

1046
00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:54,163
我們一個啓發嗎, 就是說...

1047
00:32:54,163 --> 00:32:54,930
不敢不敢

1048
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:57,040
給我們一個啓示

1049
00:32:57,050 --> 00:33:00,360
你覺得區塊鏈接下來會怎麼演變

1050
00:33:00,370 --> 00:33:01,840
就是說影響台灣

1051
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:03,360
你覺得政府會更開放

1052
00:33:03,370 --> 00:33:05,210
或者是會有更多的創業公司進來

1053
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:06,250
利用這個技術

1054
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:10,070
台灣或者在整個世界的這種新

1055
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,500
創投或者創投那裡面發展

1056
00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:14,330
你覺得他會怎麼樣這樣

1057
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,780
這段還真沒餵過以後

1058
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:17,960
真的本來就沒有完全都沒餵過

1059
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:18,200
對

1060
00:33:18,210 --> 00:33:19,940
所以

1061
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:21,280
突然緊張起來

1062
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:23,010
突然緊張起來, 又問那麼嚴肅的問題

1063
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:23,860
沒有很嚴肅

1064
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:25,200
就是一個未來想像嗎

1065
00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:26,040
你就會說

1066
00:33:26,050 --> 00:33:27,340
因為我也沒有比特幣

1067
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:28,710
所以你也不care

1068
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,820
反正你就是把他當對

1069
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:32,020
你總會有一個official

1070
00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:34,150
官方的說法

1071
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520
沒有了應該就是, 我覺得區塊鏈這個東西或者

1072
00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:39,920
比特幣這東西其實就經歷一個

1073
00:33:39,930 --> 00:33:40,350
泡沫

1074
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,050
然後下來嗎, 這樣子

1075
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:43,400
還沒泡沫吧, 泡沫了嗎

1076
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:44,320
之前這一期

1077
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:47,070
然後是不是一期直播

1078
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,190
2017年稍微下來

1079
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,510
然後很多人都說又再起來什麼的

1080
00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:53,210
我覺得是必經過程

1081
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:56,780
所以如果你真的是要單純炒幣的話

1082
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,910
你當然會需要注意很多這種波動

1083
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,570
但如果說是你看好這個產業的

1084
00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:02,480
話說老實

1085
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:04,120
他的確其實不用太擔心了

1086
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:06,670
你就是好好focus在的技術

1087
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,630
上的開發嘛

1088
00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:10,430
只是說, 技術再怎麼開發

1089
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,410
如果你只是技術

1090
00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:12,770
它就是一個實驗室的專案

1091
00:34:12,970 --> 00:34:13,190
對吧

1092
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,300
它就是一個project

1093
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:16,520
然後你要把變成Business還是要有

1094
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:18,480
一個商業的問題嘛

1095
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:19,750
你說看未來

1096
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,380
我覺得絕對不會是什麼東西都

1097
00:34:23,390 --> 00:34:24,670
可以用區塊鏈

1098
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,860
像有些人是打著萬物上鏈的口號

1099
00:34:27,870 --> 00:34:29,810
我會覺得是要稍微小心一點

1100
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:31,740
因為太難說服人家嗎

1101
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:33,190
什麼叫萬物上連著太難說服

1102
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,340
所以找到切入點是比較重要的

1103
00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:38,290
這是讓我也我自己還在想

1104
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:39,810
我不敢說我已經知道答案了

1105
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:43,080
我覺得你是天生的主持人

1106
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,860
像你大家如果有興趣的話

1107
00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:47,440
可以去看他TKBS就是你有

1108
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:49,460
滲透到很多創業公司

1109
00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:52,430
然後都會問一些很好笑的問題是

1110
00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:54,690
我覺得你是不是因為你是一個

1111
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:55,600
天生的主持人

1112
00:34:55,610 --> 00:34:58,970
所以你很會觀察別人的就是對方

1113
00:34:58,980 --> 00:35:00,360
的表情這樣

1114
00:35:00,370 --> 00:35:02,540
然後來決定你現在要講什麼

1115
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:04,300
然後我覺得你剛剛在回答所有

1116
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:04,780
問題的時候

1117
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:06,380
你都一直在觀察我的表情

1118
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:06,680
對

1119
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:07,850
是不是

1120
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:10,410
你不知道你決定了我的這一生

1121
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:11,090
You complete me

1122
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,360
所以你笑或哭會決定我要

1123
00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:14,950
怎麼回答

1124
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,080
好

1125
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:17,320
我們今天節目就節目就到這

1126
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,050
你有沒有什麼話想要對寶博朋友說

1127
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:22,170
的

1128
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:23,710
聽眾說一下的

1129
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,020
記得訂閱TK talk

1130
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:27,850
大家在, 你的TK都什麼人

1131
00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:28,060
好

1132
00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:29,070
謝謝收聽今天的

1133
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,930
寶博朋友說

1134
00:35:30,430 --> 00:35:33,300
最後我覺得大家聽都聽到這裡

1135
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:34,420
應該還是有一個

1136
00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:36,400
很個人心中已久的好奇

1137
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:37,160
就是沒有

1138
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:39,040
你到底有沒有比特幣

1139
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:40,060
有啊有啊, 當然有

1140
00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:40,970
比特幣以太幣

1141
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:41,895
我就這兩個

1142
00:35:41,895 --> 00:35:42,810
沒有別的

1143
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:43,760
沒有啊

1144
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,700
寶博幣

1145
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:45,890
你有幣啦？

1146
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:46,980
有啦好啦不重要

1147
00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:51,690
你剛才驚訝就非常的演出覺得

1148
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,990
但其實有你真的是有involve就對了

1149
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:57,590
你並不是因為很多人是說我是做

1150
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,620
區塊鏈的服務

1151
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:59,460
我很關注

1152
00:35:59,470 --> 00:36:00,250
區塊鏈很久

1153
00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:02,070
然後就問他們比特幣沒有這樣

1154
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,380
但我也只是買而已

1155
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:05,680
我沒有在那裡每天吹來吹去

1156
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:06,910
我沒有就是

1157
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,880
好我們不要再問了

1158
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:10,600
反正我已經都問完了

1159
00:36:10,610 --> 00:36:12,240
有沒有什麼漏掉的

1160
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:14,420
你的TA是什麼樣的profile

1161
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:15,430
你知道嗎

1162
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,970
就跟你的TA一樣

1163
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:19,180
OK那就等等來訂閱TK Talk了

1164
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:19,980
呵呵沒有

1165
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:21,350
總之

1166
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,540
其實寶博朋友說

1167
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:25,060
都一直希望能夠邀請寶博的朋友

1168
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:29,390
然後因為我其實是為什麼我找上

1169
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,630
SoundOn有兩個原因

1170
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,610
一個原因其中之一

1171
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:36,710
就是不小心看到TK的節目

1172
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,130
對

1173
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:39,150
然後我就覺得這蠻不錯的

1174
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,670
然後我就想說幹嗎要在數位的

1175
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,190
podcast上面上節目

1176
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,450
當然一定就是要去傳統廣播聽眾

1177
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:48,430
族群比較大

1178
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,270
然後就發EMAIL給傳統廣播

1179
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,800
的之前來找我的一個人

1180
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:54,330
他叫企劃明真

1181
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:56,570
然後他就說我現在去SoundOn

1182
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,130
所以我就來商量了

1183
00:36:59,130 --> 00:36:59,820
好啦

1184
00:36:59,830 --> 00:37:01,570
所以總而言之我們很開心今天

1185
00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,590
找到TK因為我們同時都在SoundOn

1186
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,440
上面開節目

1187
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:06,790
如果你們想要聽一些跟rap好

1188
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,230
跟創業或創投沒有關係的內容的

1189
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:09,550
話

1190
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,650
就歡迎去收聽TK的節目

1191
00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:13,230
如果你想要聽一些比較真正有

1192
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,030
知識性或者是跟區

1193
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,030
塊鏈或創新創業或創投有關

1194
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:20,700
歡迎來收聽寶博朋友說感謝大家

1195
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:21,730
收聽今天的寶博朋友

1196
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:22,620
說我是葛如鈞

1197
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:23,320
寶博士

1198
00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:24,060
歡迎點選

1199
00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:24,660
訂閱

1200
00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:26,430
下一集就會自動送上給你

1201
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,800
如果你想聽聊創業談點子或者說

1202
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:30,740
創新的節目

1203
00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:32,940
請搜尋寶博朋友說

1204
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:35,840
不要搜尋TK Talk 創投觀點

1205
00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:37,980
也不要搜尋TKBS歡迎給我們

1206
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:39,000
五星的評價

1207
00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:41,590
也歡迎你分享按喜歡留言或者

1208
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,480
按下小鈴鐺最終訂閱

1209
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:44,620
我們下次空中見

1210
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:46,020
拜拜